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Alternatives to Pub 76 Artifacts

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Obsidian, May 2, 2012.

  1. Obsidian

    Obsidian UO Moderator Staff Moderator

    I think many of us were underwhelmed with the artifacts currently in the new Covetous. I'd like to offer some alternatives and I'd like to see other ideas tossed out. I think our goal should be to add artifact diversity and actually offer items that people will use. I'm not going to propose artifact names as those don't really matter but concentrate on the item properties and intensities. So here it goes:

    ITEM 1
    (Half Apron)
    STR 10
    HCI 5
    SR 3
    Purpose: Str focused alternative to CC and Tangle
    Alterable: Yes

    ITEM 2
    (Reading Glasses)
    DEX 10
    INT 5
    HLA 30
    15/15/10/15/10
    Purpose: add a means to have HLA on an armor piece like HLD
    Alterable: Yes

    ITEM 3
    (Leather Arms)
    CF 3
    MR 3
    FC 1
    SDI 5
    LRC 15
    10/10/10/10/10
    Purpose: Medable armor piece with FC 1
    Alterable: Yes

    ITEM 4
    (Broadsword)
    FCR 2
    SDI 5
    DCI 15
    SC (No Pen)
    MW -15
    Purpose: Non-fast mage weapon artifact with something other than the bloodwood -15 MW Bokuto

    ITEM 5
    (Talisman)
    HPI 5
    MR 2
    HCI 10
    CF 3
    LMC: 2
    Purpose: Add Diversity and alternative to Slither
    Alterable: Not required (useable by gargs)

    Also with Cora I think this is a good time to bring back the Conjurer's items as replicas with 150/150 durability. They fit the theme:
    - Conjurer's Garb [Replica]
    - Conjurer's Trinket [Replica]
    - Conjurer's Grimoire [Replica]


    Ok those are just some suggestions. I think I could find a use for all of them. Please throw out your suggestions. Include the base item type, properties, the purpose you see the item fitting and if it is usable/alterable by a garg. Let's give the devs good options so we get Covetous artifacts we will use.

    -OBSIDIAN-
  2. Meatbread

    Meatbread Journeyman

    A fencing arti that doesn't have Hit Poison Area on it. Boy does every developer love putting it on them.

    More fey slayers. Pixie swatter sucks and not everyone has swords skill to use that one katana.

    More weapons with Blood Drinker. Right now it exists on exactly one whole weapon in the game, one nobody uses.

    Break down and put Mana Leech on something or accept that your new arti weapons are all going into the trash for cleanup points.

    Oh yeah, and some armor sets with set bonuses and everything that aren't A) horribly rare and B) crappy to boot.
  3. Phangs_of_Phage

    Phangs_of_Phage Journeyman

    Agree with obsidian. The shadow and ranger cloak should also come back as replicas. I have no problem with gold but many dont have the 30 mil to spend on a garb and 25 mil to spend on a cloak for a char. make things accesible to player who work for them. I do like the diversity an artie list like tha twould make
  4. Picus at the office

    Picus at the office Slightly Crazed

    I don't have the time to think about mods right now but I would like to see a few different boots, cloaks(or better yet other old school clothing), talismans and aprons(or other similar slots). Simple mods like FCR, HPI, Stam, Mana for the clothing and other mods for the talismans and apron slots.
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  5. Bob the Merchant

    Bob the Merchant Adventurer

    For the mage stuff...I still say...WHERES THE BEEF! 15 LRC doesn't cut it if I can craft 25.
  6. Picus at the office

    Picus at the office Slightly Crazed

    Well craft your stuff and leave the rest alone....it's not like you are looking for free candy are you? Real mages roll with 0 LRC.....
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  7. Bob the Merchant

    Bob the Merchant Adventurer

    Oh yeah? Real mages cast with a loin cloth and naked! Free candy? OOoO yes I love free candy, but it always seems to taste better after a long day of killing trolls.
  8. Picus at the office

    Picus at the office Slightly Crazed

    I would love to see the uproar that wold be if LRC was removed or capped at 30-50, oh my what a day that would be. -20 mage weapons(forget the -15's as these are an even worse addition to the game) can you say crutch?
  9. Silverbird

    Silverbird Slightly Crazed

    Its a sceptre (mace weap) and has UBWS on it. But nice try. *g*
  10. Mirt

    Mirt Certifiable

    He was talking about the Defiler of Virtue from the Virtue Bane which is a katana and the Pixieswatter. They are two seperate weapons.
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  11. Meatbread

    Meatbread Journeyman

    Derp.
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  12. Obsidian

    Obsidian UO Moderator Staff Moderator

    Ok, I went through the current list of proposed Pub 76 arties and made some recommended changes in bold:
    • Savage Chieftain’s Headdress
      • Intelligence Bonus 8
      • Mana Regeneration 2
      • Lower Reagent Cost 25%
      • Lower Mana Cost 10%
      • Faster Casting 1
      • Physical Resist 10%
      • Fire Resist 9%
      • Poison Resist 10%
      • Energy Resist 25%
    • Crown of Insight
      • Night Sight
      • Intelligence Bonus 8
      • Mana Increase 15
      • Mana Regeneration 2
      • Defense Chance Increase 5%
      • Lower Mana Cost 8%
      • Spell Damage Increase 10
      • Mage Armor
      • Physical Resist 9%
      • Fire Resist 3%
      • Cold Resist 6%
      • Poison Resist 3%
      • Energy Resist 17%
    • Headdress of Evil
      • Hit Chance Increase 10%
      • Hit Lower Defense 30%
      • Damage Increase 25%
      • Physical Resist 18%
      • Fire Resist 3%
      • Cold Resist 7%
      • Poison Resist 17%
      • Energy Resist 6%
    • Hephaestus
      • Self Repair 5
      • Spell Channeling (No penalty)
      • Defense Chance Increase 15%
      • Faster Casting 1
      • Faster Cast Recovery 1
      • Lower Mana Cost 8%
      • Physical Resist 15%
      • Fire Resist 1%
    • Inferno Tunic
      • Self Repair 5
      • Night Sight
      • Defense Chance Increase 25%
      • Physical Resist 24%
      • Fire Resist 34%
      • Cold Resist 4%
      • Poison Resist 1%
      • Energy Resist 2%
      • mage Armor
    • Bracelet of Protection
      • Hit Point Increase 5
      • Hit Point Regeneration 10
      • Defense Chance Increase 5%
      • +20 Parrying
      • Hit Lower Attack 30%
    • Champion’s Breastplate
      • Hit Point Increase 10
      • Luck 200
      • Swing Speed Increase 10%
      • Hit Chance Increase 5%
      • Defense Chance Increase 5%
      • Physical Resist 35%
      • Fire Resist 3%
      • Cold Resist 2%
      • Poison Resist 3%
      • Energy Resist 5%
      • Lower Requirements 10%
    • Queen’s Gloves
      • Strength Bonus 8
      • Hit Point Increase 5
      • Lower Mana Cost 15%
      • Luck 140
      • Damage Increase 20%
      • Physical Resist 18%
      • Fire Resist 3%
      • Cold Resist 1%
      • Poison Resist 20%
      • Energy Resist 3%
    • Void Walk
      • Durability +100%
      • Stamina Increase 8
      • Stamina Regeneration 3
      • Hit Chance Increase 20%
      • Demon Slayer
      • Physical Resist 8%
      • Fire Resist 4%
      • Cold Resist 4%
      • Poison Resist 36%
      • Energy Resist 2%
    Weapons
    • Blight of the Tundra
      • Hit Dispel 50%
      • Stamina Regeneration 10
      • Hit Stamina Leech 30%
      • Hit Mana Leech 40%
      • Swing Speed Increase 30%
      • Damage Increase 50%
      • Cold Resist 15%
      • Cold Damage 100%
      • Weapon Damage 15-19
      • Weapon Speed 4.25s
    • Mace of the Fanatic
      • Hit Stamina Leech 50%
      • Fey Slayer
      • Hit Mana Leech 50%
      • Hit Lower Defense 35%
      • Swing Speed Increase 75%
      • Damage Increase 50%
      • Physical Damage 100%
      • Weapon Damage 14-16
      • Weapon Speed 3.5s
    • Plaguebringer
      • Hit Poison Area 100%
      • Dexterity Bonus 5
      • Hit Chance Increase 15%
      • Swing Speed Increase 20%
      • Hit Mana Leech 30%
      • Hit Stamina Leech 40%
      • Damage Increase 50%
      • Physical Damage 100%
      • Weapon Damage 12-13
      • Weapon Speed 2.5s
    • Thundrous Roar
      • Hit Lightning 50%
      • Hit Chance Increase 15%
      • Defense Chance Increase 15%
      • Faster Casting 1
      • Swing Speed Increase 30%
      • Hit Stamina Leech 50%
      • Hit Mana Leech 30%
      • Damage Increase 50%
      • Physical Damage 100%
      • Weapon Damage 15-17
      • Weapon Speed 3.25s
      • Two Handed Weapon
    • Fayaxion’s Bane
      • Dragon Slayer
      • Luck 140
      • Swing Speed Increase 30%
      • Damage Increase 50%
      • Hit Mana Leech 40%
      • Hit Stamina Leech 40%
      • Fire Resist 20%
      • Use Best Weapon Skill
      • Physical Damage 100%
      • Weapon Damage 17-18
      • Weapon Speed 4.5s
    • Reptile’s Kiss
      • Random Slayer
      • Hit Poison Area 100%
      • Hit Chance Increase 15%
      • Damage Increase 50%
      • +20 Poisoning
      • Poison Resist 15%
      • Poison Damage 100%
      • Weapon Damage 10-12
      • Weapon Speed 2s
    • Breathless Sickle
      • Hit Life Leech 100%
      • Hit Harm 40%
      • Spell Damage Increase 15%
      • Swing Speed Increase 20%
      • Spell Channeling (no penalty)
      • Mage Weapon -10
      • Damage Increase 50%
      • Physical Damage 100%
      • Weapon Damage 13-15
      • Weapon Speed 3s
    • Bedlam’s Mortar
      • Hit Lighting 40%
      • Hit Lower Defense 50%
      • Strength Bonus 10
      • Hit Stamina Leech 40%
      • Hit Mana Leech 40%
      • Undead Slayer
      • Damage Increase 75%
      • Physical Damage 100%
      • Weapon Damage 16-17
      • Weapon Speed 4s
  13. claudia-fjp

    claudia-fjp Lore Master

    Purpose: Non-fast mage weapon artifact with something other than the bloodwood -15 MW Bokuto

    Soooo pretty much a Planesword.
  14. enderz

    enderz Journeyman

    I appreciate the new arties from Covetous revamp, but I really think they need a small shot in the arm like what Obsidian did one post up.
  15. Madrid

    Madrid Slightly Crazed

    Disagree with OP....

    I don't want to see items more powerful than what peerless & Champions drop or Doom drops. I wish this entire dungeon revamp with the crazy mods on items was never introduced. It was not well thought out about the repercussions and the effects it would have on the game. The whole thing was and is a huge mistake imnsho.

    Thus far the most sought after and hard to get artifacts have been trumped by the items dropping in shame which is a shame in my opinion...pun intended. Never should have been allowed in to begin with yet we have people clamoring for more "uber" powerful weapons to be placed in their fingertips.

    I don't mind a revamp of the Dungeons but there are many things that can be added to get people's interest besides over powered weapons that were introduced with Shame i.e. the legendary artifacts and greater artifacts. Ridiculous the mods on some of those items and makes doing Peerless and other champion spawns a joke because the drops from those pale in comparison.

    A new peerless or Champion spawn based on Harbinger as the boss that can drop a garb replica might be a good idea and add some fun giving player's a crack at a replica garb or trinket.
  16. G.v.P

    G.v.P Stratics Legend

    First off, Obsidian, I'd be all over that mage wep, hahahaha. I like all of your original post ideas.

    Hit Lower Attack is defensive, but you have to use offense for HLA to take affect. The Bracelet of Health was used mostly on thieves...I guess the HLA would work with wrestling?

    I like.

    OP. Lady Melisande does not approve, hahaha.

    OP. That would just be plain filthy.

    Who is Fyaxion, btw?

    Might as well get rid of the slayer if it doesn't have HML! ;D

    (Whispers...OP...but give me one then delete the rest ;P).

    OP. Okay, you definitely have a macing sampire/wammy ;P.
  17. Pinco

    Pinco UOEC Modder

    just remember that all the new arties are "Ephemeral" that literally means: "it last one day", so all those items should be really good or there is no meaning in wasting points to take them... especially when you cannot even use them for a collection.
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  18. Mesanna

    Mesanna UO Producer | Dark OverLady VIP

    Hi Guys,

    We read your feedback on the artifacts that were originally added to Covetous, and thank you. So with that being said all artifacts listed in the patch notes are being removed. We sat down as a team and came up with 5 items that we feel deserve to be called an artifact without giving anyone a I WIN button =).

    Mesanna
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  19. Thank god for that .
  20. Myphsar

    Myphsar Lore Keeper

    wOOt!
  21. silent

    silent Lore Keeper

    Very good...
  22. OvenBird

    OvenBird Journeyman

    Awesome!
  23. red sky

    red sky Sage


    If only the Devs were as imaginative as you......one can only dream.
  24. MalagAste

    MalagAste Stratics Legend

    Thanks Mesanna
  25. Cetric

    Cetric Crazed Zealot

    Maybe i didn't see it, but were these 5 new items shown/listed?

    I'm happy you looked at that, because seeing all of the doom artifacts with an added property and new name was disappointing...in fact.... it almost felt like an insult to our intelligence lol. I could see adding these to doom and saying, hey we buffed the doom arties, but sheesh.

    Thanks for taking the positive criticism.
  26. Zero Day

    Zero Day Journeyman

    Sticking FC 1 on Armor is just a bad idea.
    Sticking Poisoning skill on ANYTHING is a bad idea.
    1 Handed Mage Weapon with a -10 penalty and NO FC penalty, max SDI and Hit spell. Forget it.

    The rest are fine though it just looks like turning every weapon into a PvM slayer for a sampire.
  27. Mirt

    Mirt Certifiable

    Wow Mesanna thank you so much thats great. I can't wait to see it.
  28. T-Hunt

    T-Hunt Sage

    The crafters items need a little more output on ore or wood.
    3:1 3 verite gives 1 valorite is alot when you only get so many uses from it...

    I still dont see what use a 4 houre forge is...since theres the fire beetle..unles you plan to craft and can use it to repair in the feild...
    What about tailor , tinker and fletcher field repair station also?
    Call it Portable crafters nook station..

    The info on the items are not showing up when you hover over them on npc reward selection also..
  29. Old Man of UO

    Old Man of UO Grand Inquisitor

    That's a good question. I was just assuming that it let you repair your armor in those out-of-the-way dungeons, like Doom. Otherwise, I don't see the purpose.
  30. Cool.

    Can we see them so people can piss and moan about them too? ;)
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  31. Old Man of UO

    Old Man of UO Grand Inquisitor

    Oh My... who got your knickers in a twist?

    I think in this case it had a positive effect in that the Developers gave it a second look, and hopefully improved the artifacts.
  32. LordDrago

    LordDrago Certifiable

    Excellent.

    Feedback from players noted and action taken.
    Information communicated back to players.
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  33. Obsidian

    Obsidian UO Moderator Staff Moderator

    Thank you, Mesanna!

    My only request would be to add artifacts for items that we can't just make with reforging and imbuing. So artifact half aprons, sashes, talismans, cloaks and robes would be ideal for one or two of your additions. If you are going to add a weapon or an armor piece, it should have a property with an intensity better than we can get with reforging or it needs a property that normally isn't on a suit/weapon. An example would be SDI, FC, FCR, HLA or HLD on a piece of armor. Thanks for listening to our feedback!

    -OBSIDIAN-

    P.S. We really would like to see the Conjurer's and Augmentation items re-added as replicas too. Please consider those.
  34. Warpig Inc

    Warpig Inc Babbling Loonie

    Fire beetle working in ghost form was great for combat miners. Now can set up a forge by the new earth eli and swing away with my earth slayer imbued Bone Crusher. Not that dismount is an issue. A field anvil for smelting all that junk metal been helpful. Breaking down bone armor for bone is way overdue.

    Don't need to come up with new armor and weapons. Just need random weapon/armor of human/elf/gargoyle only. 501 to 600 points cap with possible 6 or 7 mod also. Hell even as another bonus RNG chance 255 durability cap on drop. The addition of a clean piece of armor or weapon that has one mod not on the imbue list. Clean shield with 10-20 arms lore or parry skill on it. Random clean weapon with Fey Slayer. Clean human/elf/gargoyle only leather gloves with +5 Mining and 140 luck. Random clean two-handed weapon with 10-20 bushido with 10 - 20 skill being 75 - 125 imbue value. The random chance 15 magery on a wizard hat with 530 point cap and 6 mod capability, 255 durability would be worth what?

    Later on add in the imbuing of looted casting books.
  35. Goldberg-Chessy

    Goldberg-Chessy Babbling Loonie

    Simply ridiculous.

    You basically want an artifact dispensing machine.

    *shakes head*
  36. Obsidian

    Obsidian UO Moderator Staff Moderator

    No, not a dispensing machine, as I will do the PvM adventuring to earn them slowly over time. I just want any new artifacts to be worthwhile and something players would actually use in their suits.
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  37. Goldberg-Chessy

    Goldberg-Chessy Babbling Loonie

    Uhhh, people use all different items in their suits. People that cannot afford a certain high-level item quite often will use one of the artifacts you are complaining about.

    But you already knew that?

    Thats not enough though as in your own words you want new high level artifacts for all slots("aprons,sashes,tallys,cloaks,robes") Thats just plain short-sighted and greedy IMO
  38. Swordsman

    Swordsman Adventurer

    Excellent !
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  39. G.v.P

    G.v.P Stratics Legend

    The obvious benefit is you don't need to use a fire beetle, which takes up several pet follower slots. You could use more packhorses instead, but, I don't know, I usually get too bored of mining before I can fill five packies ;P. I guess if you do a half dozen Large Ore Deposits you might need some, though.

    Or in the case of a friend of mine, who plays a Tamer-Smith, haha, yeah...could use repairs in the Gauntlet or the like, hehe.
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  40. Knickers? Exactly how old are you Old Man of UO? ;)
  41. Petra Fyde

    Petra Fyde UOSS M.E. | UO Community Liaison Board of Directors Administrator Senior Moderator

    I don't think so, it's a forge, not a forge and anvil. Anvil is needed for repairs. Will help with dungeon mining though, no need to worry about your firebeetle getting killed.
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  42. G.v.P

    G.v.P Stratics Legend

    Doh! Good point :). No repairs ;(
  43. Old Man of UO

    Old Man of UO Grand Inquisitor

    Ah yes, good point! Anyone know the weight though?
  44. GalenKnighthawke

    GalenKnighthawke Grand Poobah

    Lovely; thank you.

    -Galen's player
  45. aricz

    aricz Visitor

    Hah, the elite listens to us simple peasants? Beware all, they're building an illusion! Haha.. :) :) :)
  46. Warpig Inc

    Warpig Inc Babbling Loonie

    Like I said we need a field anvil more. I just like to type.
  47. Picus at the office

    Picus at the office Slightly Crazed

    Is there some crutch that you are attempting to protect? Lately all I have read from you is ways to stop people cheaply and effectlivly competing in nearly all aspects of the game. Don't allow the pleebs to have this and candy machines.....what gives?

    This all said I would like to add my worries about a mod like FC to armor. 1 FCR on a slot like boots would be powerful enough but not so that it would slide the scale of suit making. I'd love to see pants, jester coats and stuff like we had 5+ years back but the worry I'd have is people would still just cover it up with a garb so it might become over powering in that sense...pity you can't code to have a garb or old clothes but not both.

    Lastly, why is it that threads like this get Dev comments but others that that seem to have just as important implications for the community go meh? Pixel crack thrown to us all in a poorly planned way is far from game breaking but the lose of players is more so IMO.
  48. NuSair

    NuSair Babbling Loonie

    Just the fact y'all did that makes me feel like I won something.
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  49. Shadefox

    Shadefox Certifiable

    *Your "fate in developers" virtue just increased by a massive amount*

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