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Sampire weapon

Discussion in 'UO Warrior' started by Aibal, May 5, 2009.

  1. Aibal

    Aibal Lore Master

    I was thinking of giving a sampire a whirl. Never tried it before, and I have no desire to invest 100 mill in a template I may not enjoy playing. After reading many threads on them I'm confident I can put together the armor with items I already have, but I was wondering about the weapon. I picked up this a while ago, and have had it in storage ever since. Will this work well enough, along with perhaps a soulseeker (for whirlwind), to allow me to work some peerless and check out the template?

    Rune Blade

    Stamina Leech 40
    Mana Leech 42
    Faster Cast 1
    SSI 25
    DI 38

    Will it be effective enough? Yes, it could be faster I suppose, but is it good enough to allow me a chance to sample the template without being an insurance donor lol? Thanks.
  2. Lynk

    Lynk Grand Poobah

    It will do just fine.
  3. Credinus

    Credinus Visitor

    I feel like I'm missing out on some secret sampire weapon vendor hidden in a mysterious shed deep in the woods of Yew. I have yet to find anything on Catskills that's got HML, HSL, SSI, and DI all together. :(
  4. Farsight

    Farsight Crazed Zealot

    It took me 8 months to find my best diamond mace for sampiring. (yes, it's a verb now)

    And when I finally found it, it was only 500k gold.

    Anyway, most people just make their own. It's faster.
  5. Lynk

    Lynk Grand Poobah

    I wish people on GL were looking for sampire weapons :(
  6. RichDC

    RichDC Visitor

    I know quite a few in DC that are, though most dont read the boards. In fact, i think im about the only one who does.
  7. guum

    guum Visitor

    It's tough. I blew through probably 30-40 copper runics and a few golden ones trying to make an HML/HSL/SSI/DI Ornate Axe -- and finally gave up. I switched my sampire to fencing so that I could use a Leafblade without SSI (since the base swing speed is substantially quicker), and on my very first copper runic, I got an HML/HSL/SSI/DI Leafblade on the third try.

    Sigh.

    It's been ages since Discrete Math, but you can actually figure out the odds of getting a weapon of this sort using Combinations. I'd need to haul out my old textbook to figure it out, but I'd guess the odds are probably in the neighborhood of 1 in 10,000 on any given Copper Runic attempt. Not common.

    edit: Another benefit of fencing...aside from being able to get away without SSI with leafblades and sufficiently high stam (150 min, 160 is better), you can make magekiller leafblades and get up to 22% Hit Mana Leech for free. I've tested it with my sampire and this *is* enough HML to stay filled up, even spamming LS. So that means all you'd need to get is HSL and the exceptional bonus to DI, and you can rock out HLA or the like as well...I'm currently having fun with champ spawns and a HSL/HML/Hit cold area Kama -- it's a lot of red numbers when whirlwind and hit cold area go off together.

    I still think a top-end Ornate axe will own leafblades, but this is a much easier and cheaper alternative for starters -- those ornates are just irritatingly hard to find/make.

    further edit: If my math is right (it probably is not) and assuming I'm understanding the distribution of item properties correctly (counting all slayers as a single possibility, counting all damage types as a single property, counting all hit spells as a single property), the odds of getting a HML/HSL/SSI combination on any given bronze hammer attempt would be 1 in 1771. The odds of getting it in any given copper runic attempt would be half that, since it's 50/50 of getting the requisite 3 properties. Better runics are a more difficult calculation, so I'll leave that to a math person).
  8. Connor_Graham

    Connor_Graham Stratics Legend

    I got both my Ornate Axe and Mage's Rune Blade on the first hammer I attempted for both, yet it took over 400 copper and bronze hammers to make my Twinkling Scimitar.

    You're not alone, believe me.
  9. Lynk

    Lynk Grand Poobah

    *shameless plug*

    I made a HML/HSL/SSI/DI ornate on GL when trying to make something else. I can't find anyone to buy. I even dropped the price to 6 mil.
  10. Aibal

    Aibal Lore Master

    What are it's numbers exactly?
  11. Lynk

    Lynk Grand Poobah

    36 Stam
    60 Mana
    30 SSI
    40 DI
  12. Aibal

    Aibal Lore Master

    I might be interested in that Lynk. Give me today to rework my template on this guy and a couple days to try out the template and rune blade and see how it works...the one nice thing with the rune blade is I don't need quite so much stamina on the suit as I would for the ornate.
  13. Credinus

    Credinus Visitor

    Yeah, they're definitely rare. I tested on TC1 about a week ago, not even good chances with a valorite hammer. It's just sad that it's seems to be MUCH easier to get a good PvP weapon (HLD, HLA, SSI, DI, and hit spell). I get those from strongboxes all the dang time. With sampire weapons, it's always either missing SSI or HSL. For some reason those two properties just don't want to be together. The pattern that I got fairly often is HML, DI, SSI, and then SC instead of HSL (with faster casting penalty), or I get everything but life leech instead of mana leech. Anyone else noticed this to be a recurring pattern as well?
  14. guum

    guum Visitor

    Talk about more weird luck...I just pulled this off Miasma:

    War Hammer
    HSL 44%
    HML 24%
    HCI 6%
    SSI 30%
    DI 33%

    Does anyone actually use war hammers?
  15. Lynk

    Lynk Grand Poobah

    I carry one, great for whirlwind.
  16. kantoska

    kantoska Visitor

    I just got a hatchet, wanna know if these properties are high enough to be worthwhile:

    34 HSL
    34 HML
    30 SSI
    45 DI
  17. Connor_Graham

    Connor_Graham Stratics Legend

    That will definitely work. You'll want to keep looking and/or crafting to try and get something a little better, but that one will hold you until you do. It's not that far from the elven machete that I used before I finally got lucky and made my ornate & Twink. I did just fine with it, although it was nowhere near good enough for peerless. It did take Rend down though lol.
  18. heqqr

    heqqr Visitor

    I am finishing up my sammy and have about 20 runic copper to burn.

    Now i know that it will probably take more than that to get what i want but it should be a start. My character has 120 maces but i am not 100% sure on what weapons i need to craft.

    any help is appreciated
  19. Connor_Graham

    Connor_Graham Stratics Legend

    For macing I would suggest the diamond mace.
  20. Connor_Graham

    Connor_Graham Stratics Legend

    The strongbox quests were brought up some time ago as an option to try and get weapons suitable for use as a Sampire. I just got this one from the batch of quests I ran today and wanted to show it to everyone just so you'd know that it is possible with patience to get a damn nice sword from them:

    HSL 40
    HML 38
    HLL 44
    SSI 25
    DI 40

    This sword will be replacing the Soulseeker for getting keys to Travesty, primarily for the red key. I use the Soulseeker for the little extra life leech it provides, but this sword is head and shoulders above it with much higher leeches. With the Assassin suit that I wear, I have 45 SSI total with this sword, which is more than enough to spam whirlwind when trying for the red key. To those of you that are just starting out, this is an easy quest to complete, and as you can see, the rewards can be very much worth taking the time to do them.
  21. gmcbroom

    gmcbroom Visitor

    Then that is a quest I'm going to do. :) Its the one at where you first have to get something from red healers right?
  22. Order

    Order Visitor

    is swords or mace fighting better for pvm sampire?
  23. Diomedes Artega

    Diomedes Artega Visitor

    Yes that is correct. It will be a blessed item. A scroll...can't remember the name at the moment.
  24. Diomedes Artega

    Diomedes Artega Visitor

    Your personal preference. Swords is more varied in my opinion though. Ornates and such hit harder than other weapons. Sword weapons are the hardest hitting. You will have to look at your weapon collection, or what you can get your hands on to really make the determination.
  25. Lynk

    Lynk Grand Poobah

    If you're on a budget go macing - Diamond maces hit soooo hard and you can cap swing speed at 150 stam with a 30ssi.
  26. uotrunks

    uotrunks Journeyman

    Matters really what your wanting to kill also matters if your in a group or not.
    Also matters how fast you want to do what your doing.
    I have 120 in all the weapon skills stone. And all the weapons needed for what ever it is i plan on doing.

    But if your planning on trying to do dread , chief , shimmering I use maces
    I have 2 I use
    If im running solo I use Diamond mace with hml 38 , hsl 46 , hla 42 , ssi 30 , di 40
    If im doing it with others I use a Diamond mace with hml 37 , hsl 32 , hll 62 , ssi 20 , di 36
    and I use that one because I normaly let the other ppl im with honor and with this I dont die even with out honor

    If im doing Grizzel I use fencing and a assassin suit and kryss hsl 46 , hml 33, hla 36 , ssi 39 , di 39


    If im doing dumb crazy event spawn that hits hard I go fencing and use leafblade's
    I have one with hml 38 , hsl 38 , hll 44 , ssi 30 , di 40
    I also have a leafblade with hml hsl hla ssi di but its on my girlfriends chr so I dont get to use it alot.

    But for your day to day I say mace's own I rarely use swords and when I do its only for trav.
  27. Arch Magus

    Arch Magus Visitor

    I've heard that the Stamina drain from mace class weapons can really lay the smack down on Peerless.

    I'm sure it's true, how much of a drain are we talking about?
    Cause once something gets to 0 stamina, they are kinda screwed.
  28. jbfortune

    jbfortune Lore Master

    It doesn't actually leach stam off them.
  29. Order

    Order Visitor

    but dont mace weapons reduce the enemies stamina whenever they get hit?
  30. uotrunks

    uotrunks Journeyman

    Yes when mace's hit the target loses stam.
  31. Order

    Order Visitor

    what is the best mace weapon to do dreadhorn and keys?
  32. Connor_Graham

    Connor_Graham Stratics Legend

    Diamond mace is the best DPS but you need one with 30 ssi.
  33. Order

    Order Visitor

    if im making diamond maces should i go with a ruby or silver etched mace? is it better to use a diamonsd mace since it is one handed and does about the same damage as a mages rune blades so i can chug pots or is the two handed defense bonus better. i have both weapon skills stoned.
  34. Connor_Graham

    Connor_Graham Stratics Legend

    Silver Etched is an Undead slayer.
  35. Lynk

    Lynk Grand Poobah

    I wouldn't do Ruby or silver etched imo, for dreadhorn you want 100% physical dmg so just make it out of iron ingots and save resources.
  36. Turdnugget

    Turdnugget Visitor

    Why not use shadow ingots to make a weapon for Dreadhorn?

    80% Physical Damage, 20% Cold damage...

    Dunno if it'd make much of a difference in damage output.
  37. RichDC

    RichDC Visitor

    2reasons,

    1)cant be unraveld later

    2)there is an extra mod to roll on a boost(the cold damage)

    Also, the hardened mace or whatever its calle(one that give DI boost) would be your best bet.
  38. guum

    guum Visitor

    ...and then you get lucky. Just found these two weapons on the same vendor, out of the blue, for 200k each (!):

    Ornate Axe
    HSL 32
    HML 57
    HPI 4
    HPR 1
    Luck 40
    SSI 20 (Ok, a touch lower than ideal, but definitely enough to get started)
    DI 40

    Diamond Mace
    HML 38
    HSL 34
    Luck 40
    SSI 25
    DI 40

    So anyway, to the folks who haven't found their sampire weapons yet, keep looking!
  39. Farsight

    Farsight Crazed Zealot

    My first sampire weapon had only 20 SSI, mana leech and elemental slayer. I still break it out on occasion for the fun of it. I found it in the citadel, I think.

    My best is a similar diamond mace to what you found. It's a VERY nice weapon.
  40. Aibal

    Aibal Lore Master

    Aye, I was looking for a one hander to go with my rune blade and ornate axe. Found this Twink on a vendor, in Luna, for 200k lol.

    Hit Dispel 44
    HSL 46
    HML 38
    DCI 6
    SSI 30
    DI 51
  41. Connor_Graham

    Connor_Graham Stratics Legend

    That would be a great Doom weapon.
  42. Aibal

    Aibal Lore Master

    Aye. Buh bye revs lol.
  43. silent

    silent Lore Keeper

    Guum did they happen to be on Chessy?

    I have this ornate for Doom, haven't had a chance to use it yet.

    HML 52
    HSL 38
    Dispel 36
    HPI 4
    HPR 1
    SSI 25
    DI 40
  44. guum

    guum Visitor

    Yeah it was Chessy. And that's a really nice ornate. ;)
  45. silent

    silent Lore Keeper

    Thanks. That was my vendor in Luna you got them from, I thought they looked familiar :) Those were some of the better results of countless hammers I burned. I'm on the edge of burning more val hammers but after going to TC and burning some charges there I'm thinking better of it. Maybe we can team up sometime, keying would be easier.
  46. guum

    guum Visitor

    Well thank you much then -- I've been looking for good sampire weapons for ages. I've been using fencing and a leafblade, but both of those are a substantial improvements over what I had.

    And sure, I'd be happy to team up sometime. I have a disco tamer too (which is a lot better for team play).
  47. Order

    Order Visitor

    since mace fighting is cheaper and causes monster stamina loss why doesnt everyone use mace fighting? just a question dont flame please :dunce:
  48. Farsight

    Farsight Crazed Zealot

    A valid question. I ran mace fighting on my first Sampire for just those reasons.

    But swords are more common for a few reasons:
    1. Swords weapons are easier to find.
    2. The highest DPS comes from the ornate axe, but only if it has high SSI. Rune blades are also better than most other weapons.
    3. The cheapest all-around sampire weapon is the soul seeker, a swordsmanship weapon.
    4. The twinkling scimitar not only has the whirlwind special, but each one comes with at least 6% DCI, making it hands-down the best group-destroyer from the melee weapons.
  49. Order

    Order Visitor

    so in your opinion would you say swords is better than mace fighting?
  50. Radix

    Radix Visitor

    lol, do you have more axes like that? i want one ;-)

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