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NEWS [UO.Com] Atlantic Rollback

Discussion in 'UHall' started by weins201, Dec 17, 2012.

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  1. S_S

    S_S Lore Keeper

    God forgive me because I know you all like your gold, but I wanna know WHERE THE HELL MY CHAR IS THAT TRANSFERED during that time??? That char is missing on ATL and the shard (Sonoma) that I transfered it from. 30 day gamecode IS NOT gonna make up for me having to rework an entire character!
  2. Prawn

    Prawn Journeyman

    LOL wow I called this one..

    UO APOCOLYPSE, im glad I moved everything i had on ATL last week... LEGIT DUPING! I WIN!
  3. shadowspirit

    shadowspirit Lore Keeper

    I'm with some of the others I just transfered from 8 different shards over to atlantic past couple weeks ,, thats 40 packies full 8 bank boxes full and 8 backpacks full ,, what happens now , thats several billion in items poofed?
  4. S_S

    S_S Lore Keeper

    Did anybody else lose a char from their log-in list?
  5. Madrid

    Madrid Slightly Crazed

    I disagree everything is interconnected and the only right thing to do is to revert all shards.

    I've lost a character, soulstones galore and well over 1B in items and gold.

    In all of UOs history there has never been a mistake on of this magnitude. If so someone point it out...
  6. Rumpy

    Rumpy Slightly Crazed

    OMFG ARE YOU KIDDING ME?! I snuck on and logged in at work.
    This is ridiculous. I was working on building Atlantic in the past week and now hes back to a frigin BRAND NEW CHAR?! Not to mention all the help I got getting setup is now DONE FOR. So someone has my gold I x-fered, but I have nothing?!
  7. Merus

    Merus Slightly Crazed

    CasteoftheForgotten

    This is not 1 player or 1 house. Reverting all shard is the only way everything gets put back. Yes, we all lose the last 12 days, but anything we did can be redone... No other way to undo this cluster, no way they have tracked everything that has moved to and from ATL in the last 12 days.
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  8. Rumpy

    Rumpy Slightly Crazed

    I believe it! If I was you, I'd seriously just walk away right now. All I lost was 7-8 days of time and 10 Mil I transfered from Siege *Worth 60 Mil ATL*

    Unbelievable. I feel for you people. If they did this on Siege, I would legit drop it all and walk away.
    Last edited: Dec 17, 2012
  9. Slayvite

    Slayvite Slightly Crazed

    This affects far more than just Atlantic, what about the other shards that have bought stuff or traded thru 2 or 3 different shards?
    What about those that bought tokens and items for RL cash? just cos the items goes 'poof' dont mean EA is gonna refund your cash. Oh and good luck trying to claim stuff, EA customer reps are told NOT to give out freebies.
    Hell i lost my entire 14 year history but not one appology or reinbursment just told....sorry not our problem.
  10. weins201

    weins201 Certifiable

    As for transfers there is a transfer log that can and I am sure will be accessed, the BIG question is - what are they going to do with the information? I was lucky and I had just transferred in on that day and had the transfer crate gump pop up.

    I can imagine what would have happened if the 13 mesanna masks had gotten lost in the mix? ah well i feel blessed.

    As for the 30 day game code that is useless to me as I don't use them.

    How about every account get another vet reward or two added on, that would be something i could put to use???
  11. kelmo

    kelmo UO Senior Moderator | (CLT) Staff Senior Moderator Stratics Pro Stratics Supporter

    How did you transfer gold from Siege?
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  12. LadyElizabeth

    LadyElizabeth Adventurer

    For those wondering about characters that were transferred FROM Atlantic, those chars aren't on Atlantic. They're on the destination shard. There is no duplicate character.
  13. Basara

    Basara UO Forum Moderator Staff Moderator

    Just a reminder, folks.

    Corrupted backups are just that.

    In other words, when the backups are run, there is a signal put out that a successful backup was done. If THAT part of the safety net breaks, it's nearly impossible to catch.To catch it, you have to restore a backup. And, at that point, it's too late. Having even 10 copies of each backup doesn't matter, if the software making the backups corrupts every one of them in the process of making them and saving to disk. It's a problem as old as magnetic media itself.

    After all, look what happened to Stratics in Spring 2008.

    To give a real-world analogy...

    When the Hubble Space Telescope was being built, they had several levels of redundancy. However, all those redundant checks were being done by machines that were all kept in calibration by a single device - one that was (somehow) OUT of calibration, when that was supposed to have not been that possible. As a result, the constantly "backed up" error correctors were CREATING errors, while everything seemed to be perfectly in place.
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  14. Kayhynn

    Kayhynn Lore Keeper

    Let's be realistic here - I'm not affected by the issue and I'm saying REVERT even though it will affect stuff I've been doing/workign on on my home shard.

    Revert is the only fair option I see.
  15. Hardy

    Hardy Lore Keeper

    just checked, yup char I moved over gone, including the soul stones (with skills) a shard shield deed and so much more.....what a time to come back to this game....
  16. Thunderz

    Thunderz Certifiable

    Id like the $40 iv lost on the 2 xfers i brough months back and used, im not sure if i went there and back in the time frame or there before, back after 5th. Im still trying to figure out if im doubled up or all down.

    Either way id say revent the whole game its the only right way, ill loose a whole char on europa iv just trained right up but ill loose more on atlantic if you cant do a transfer track and replace all the stuff that the people lost.

    I think this could be the end of UO with all the people who are gona quit over this the ship will sink.

    Thunderz
  17. Prawn

    Prawn Journeyman

    I say... revert pre-aos.. find some old 98-99 backup
  18. Tazar

    Tazar Assistant UO Forums Administrator Administrator Senior Staff Senior Moderator Stratics Pro

    OrderOfDrunkenElders

    Please go back and read the message on the patch screen - or on UO.com or the top of this thread. Page a GM if you lost vet rewards or used codes (bought tokens), etc.
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  19. Kayhynn

    Kayhynn Lore Keeper

    The only other option I see is if there is a middle server that logs all the transfers that has records, then restoring those transfers on the original shards to be retransferred over.
  20. Petra Fyde

    Petra Fyde UOSS M.E. | UO Community Liaison Board of Directors Administrator Senior Moderator

    Can we try for a little calm?
    We know this kind of drastic action wouldn't have been taken if there was any other choice. I think I can say with a fair degree of certainty that the dev team are at least as angry and upset about it as anyone here, and probably more so. They'll be working flat out trying to sort things out right now, and probably have been doing for some time. Which means they've limited time to talk to us.
    Can we try for a little patience. Check transfer logs and be ready to supply facts and figures when the time comes.
  21. NuSair

    NuSair Babbling Loonie

    Merry f'ing Christmas
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  22. Goodmann

    Goodmann Babbling Loonie

    a FULL shard revert is the only way to fix this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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  23. UltimatePower

    UltimatePower Lore Keeper

    I Vote revert all shards back to this date. Lost billions of items that i transfered over from Baja.
    It really is the only fair way to fix this issue, so many lost so much.
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  24. Mentiras

    Mentiras SotA Staff Writer Staff

    How does reverting everyone make things fair? That is like a kid getting pushed down in the playground and then going around and pushing down everyone else. It is extremely unfortunate that it happened, but maybe we should be thinking of diffrent ways to fix, compsensate, ATL players for this huge mess.
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  25. Kylie Kinslayer

    Kylie Kinslayer UO Atlantic News Reporter Staff

    Full Revert!!!
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  26. Hardy

    Hardy Lore Keeper

    If you know where these transfer logs are on the EC I would be keen to know?
  27. Winker

    Winker Babbling Loonie

  28. MissEcho

    MissEcho Lore Master

    I am so upset about this, it is making me ill to think pretty much every minute of gameplay I have had since august just got trashed and they offer one months gametime. I am totally disgusted. What really sucks is even if they did the right thing and revert ALL shards so that not just one lot of people are severely disadvantaged but everyone is in the same boat being that that is the ONLY the 'fair' thing to do, is that I used a mythic token 4 days ago and pretty much have a totally maxed out new character that would 'disappear' instantly. However, even that is preferable to my losing 4 months worth of hard effort worth over 500 million.

    At least I have proof of the mythic tokens use.

    I am feeling so sick about the hours and hours and hours of farming and grinding for months. I think my three accounts might just go to permanent sleep now. I can't play a game where due to lack of adequate backups gamers just lose months of effort.

    Revert all shards is the only answer or offer much more than ONE piddly months gametime worth at best 20-30 million in gold given the going rate for a million is around 89 cents and a months time is worth a whole $15 bucks, I lost over 500 million.

    Merry Christmas UO, NOT.
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  29. Lord Obsidian

    Lord Obsidian Journeyman

    Atlantic has been moved to Amazon Web Services on the 5th, so it looks like all backups made since then are somehow incomplete/corrupted. The backup of the 5th must be one of the last they had from the old Atlantic hardware.
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  30. Alexander of ATL.

    Alexander of ATL. Rares Fest Host | Atl June 2013

    I'm done with this game............. I've LOST SO MUCH! And can't get it back....
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  31. hamburger

    hamburger Adventurer

    I understand that this is a tough situation for some of you, however a total revert of all shards would be more detrimental to the game. I base my opinion on my belief that each player and their time (and monthly subscription fee) is equal to that of any other player. We should not be so easily swayed by the number of pixels and gold lost by the vocal minority here on Stratics. Regardless, I hope there is an appropriate resolution for all parties. Thank you
  32. Kylie Kinslayer

    Kylie Kinslayer UO Atlantic News Reporter Staff

    The reason it makes it fair is because anyone who xferred off of Atl to another shard just doubled anything they took. They now have it on Atl and the shard they xferred to. Also, those who transferred to Atl. lost whatever they xferred supposedly. The only way to make it right is for a full revert. But of course those who just made billions (or more) are generally not going to be in favor of that...
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  33. kelmo

    kelmo UO Senior Moderator | (CLT) Staff Senior Moderator Stratics Pro Stratics Supporter

    There are many things too feel sick about in this world. Pixels?
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  34. Vexxed

    Vexxed Slightly Crazed

    Well....

    #1 Isn't this all supposed to happen Dec 21st ??? LoL

    #2 I'm not effected by this, but the fact that someone could have theoretically cleared everything they own off of ATL sometime after Dec 5th to another shard & then now have all that REPLACED really does bug me. I'm inclined to agree that losing 12 days of my progress (since I didn't do much) won't bug me nearly as much as potentially duping a TON of items / characters... Though I'd like to think there is a way to figure out What was Xferred off shard between backup & Crash and act accordingly.....
    Last edited: Dec 17, 2012
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  35. Rumpy

    Rumpy Slightly Crazed

    Like its any of your business. For the sake of making you shuttup, I traded with someone like everyone else who transfers gold/items from Siege. I don't even remember who TBH. I found someone to get me the gold on ATL first and did the swap.
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  36. Prawn

    Prawn Journeyman

    People who sold EM items on other shards for gold on ATL are the ones who lose.

    Anyways... I think its just a tactic to get players to move off atl and populate other shards.
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  37. Madrid

    Madrid Slightly Crazed

    Also players who transferred off Atlantic essentially have DUPED items now. How can a total revert of all shards not be the right thing?
    Last edited: Dec 17, 2012
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  38. Kylie Kinslayer

    Kylie Kinslayer UO Atlantic News Reporter Staff

    I used to think that way too Kelmo. Then I talked in depth to a few people.... there is a certain percentage of UO players that for them... this game IS their life.

    Just sayin'
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  39. Vor

    Vor Crazed Zealot

    Revert every shard 12 days and you've just killed UO. Hundreds would quit! Maybe thousands.
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  40. The Predator

    The Predator Journeyman

    This is the most pathetic thing I've seen in the past 15 years of playing this game. The players suffer because you failed to test this publish and it was exploited beyond belief.

    What a joke. 12 days? And what, a 30 day time code will make it better? Give me a break.
    Last edited: Dec 17, 2012
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  41. Prawn

    Prawn Journeyman

    THIS x2 its very unfortunate and everyone knew what was going on on both TC1 and origin.
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  42. Basara

    Basara UO Forum Moderator Staff Moderator

    What is Amazon Web Services?
    And, if the corruption is their fault, perhaps compensation may be due from them.
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  43. hamburger

    hamburger Adventurer

    Regardless of what decision the Devs choose to make, they should have make that decision and publicly announce it (or reaffirm Atlantic revert only) ASAP. They have had enough time to weigh the pros/cons. This will allow the playerbase to move on and play the game with confidence that there will be no flipflopping and further wasted time/energy/money.
    CovenantX, Cerwin Vega, Mirt and 2 others like this.
  44. Varrius

    Varrius Sage

    The only fair thing to do is what Goodmann said. A full revert. Too many players losing items along with other players having duped chars/items.
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  45. NuSair

    NuSair Babbling Loonie

    VPSs in the 'cloud'. oohhhh
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  46. Promathia

    Promathia EM Bennu Fanclub Stratics Pro

    XSharders United

    What a crapshow

    This is why Publishes are supposed to sit on TC, then be ANNOUNCED they are going on Origin, and then ya know STAY on there for more than a FLIPPIN DAY.

    OH GEE, ATL IS CRASHING EVERYDAY? LETS NOT BACKUP ANYTHING

    Some bug fixes guys, GREAT JOB
  47. Piotr

    Piotr Stratic's Finest Stratics Pro Staff Alumnus Stratics Supporter

    Publish 23 - March 25, 2004 was the dreadful publish that introduced the Character Transfer system. Worst publish ever - except for Publish 16! :(
    Lord Crowen, MedeaDF, yars and 3 others like this.
  48. jopromol

    jopromol Adventurer

    Raise your hand if u never lost anything to this game before?.... Is anyone even the least bit surprised? I'm really sorry to those of you who have lost items/gold/characters to this unfortunate event. Its in times like these that you should remember what you're grateful for: my life, my freedom, the opportunity to sit around and play a computer game on my free time, my job, my security, food, shelther.... Complaining, and furthermore, being spiteful and saying that every shard needs to be set back, is NOT the answer. Rebuild, overcome, be grateful damnit!
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  49. MissEcho

    MissEcho Lore Master

    exactly, I cannot believe that after the monumental stuff up they actually make it worse by penalizing ONE group of players instead of doing the right thing and reverting across the board.

    Talk about poor decision making.
  50. Madrid

    Madrid Slightly Crazed

    This is the only thing that will restore balance. It's the right thing to do.
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