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100% Enhance Tool use purchase

Discussion in 'UO Siege Perilous' started by Guardian KX, Nov 1, 2011.

  1. Guardian KX

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    Hello All,

    Keep up if you can but heres what I did;

    Got a 70% cold/30% Physical (normal) Bow off a Killer Pumpkin. No actual biggy here.
    Powdered to 255 durability
    Added 30% SSI
    Added 5% HCI (GM would have allowed 15% HCI but those who see what im making understand. More HCI would not have allowed more dmg, so GM's pointless unless it was runic and i somehow won the above 50% Dmg bonus AND cold dmg... GL on that).
    Added Dragon Slayer
    Added Spell channeling (yes its still got the neg but its for monster hunting, not pvp quickness).

    Bows at 446/450 and finished.

    Im now looking to purchase 1 charge off a 100% inhance tool. I wish to inhance this with Frostwood.

    Please Post or PM what it is I can offer for 1 use of this tool. (yes im GM fletching)

    Thank You
     
  2. Guardian KX

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    Thank You Willis for the use of the tool.

    He charged me nothing besides a donation to NEW.
     
  3. Falon of Eldor

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    This thread worthless without pics!

    Nice job on the wep and the steps taken to produce it. Post more results please.

    :bowdown:
     
  4. Bo Bo

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    if you want a pic or idea of what this looks like, go sit on the pot drop a duece stand up turn around and look down. This guy made a pos of bow, really 100% cold bow with 30ssi 5hci sc with pen and dragon slayer. Than someone wasted a charge of one of those tools.
    Bo doesnt get it, and please dont say bo doesnt know anything about pvm, you would be very wrong. Simple fact this bow is a huge piece of crap.
     
  5. Freelsy

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    What was the point of the sc-1? So you wouldn't be hit by monsters with monster ignore? So you can meditate? Since you added the SSI and Slayer, I would imagine you're going to use it to fight with... That leads me to believe you would probably run an ABC archer/wraith archer, both don't require SC weapons.

    I can understand the frostwood enhancement for 100% cold and against Rikktor it's a handy tool. However, the sc-1 just seems off. Unless you've got some weird hybrid character that you use for semi-pvp and group pvm... Then it makes a little sense.

    I'm not sure if this is possible, but are you using archer/myst template and summoning an RC to tank Rikktor with while you go to town with the bow? That sort of template would definitely benefit from a SC weapon.
     
  6. Guardian KX

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    WOW

    Bo, I never thought id see so much hate over a bow

    Its for a arch mage tamer and its for either PvP or PvM. Being a mage I thought it made sence not to keep having to re-equip the bow every time I healed myself. And factions is for people who can't hang with the normal goodies us NON faction people use. I've never used monster ignore, even to tame pets.

    I havent even used it yet because im at 58 archery.

    Finished it reads as follows
    +5 HCI
    SC with neg
    Dragon Slayer
    30 SSI
    62 DI
    Cold Dmg 100%

    Sure, I know Bo wants to push the armor ignore and on my Gargoyal template I can average 240 HP dmg on a dragon soul glave with 100% Phy - per armor ignore. I run Mana leech on the same weapon and its pretty damn fast at killing anything. I also run 120 Throw, tact, and anatomy on the same 240 HPs per armor ingore weapon. WWWOOOWWWWW

    Im sick of playing a gargoyal.

    Hmmm. Wow... look at this bow i got, it might be worth doing a experiment and maybe one day getting a blank composite bow and trying the same thing. Hmmm... Lets start here. Seeings how cold is the lowest resist they have, that means EVERY hit will do the MAX damage EVERY hit. Also means when the G Drag gets low it wont be able to heal like mad due to the mortal wound THIS bow has.

    Major fail to you Bo for slamming something thats just a beginning, and being a troll on this thread. OH Bo...Please do a favor and show us your uber 100% "Cold" Dragon killing PvP/PvM bow that you have that shames my bow so much. For 446 points I think its gonna be darn good.
     
  7. Raptor85

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    Yeah, i mentioned that in game but seemed to be ignored, the break chance for enhance with frost wouldnt be terribly high on this anyways, that stats are farily low. I still think you should forget messing with a 450 cap bow for pvm, take a thousand or so crossbow bolts down to heartwood (or better, go down with a packy full of wood, as the crafting quest can be taken every 30 secs instead of the every 3 minutes for the bolt one) and gather a few runic kits, the oak ones you shold roll at least 1-2 exceptional bows (and i would do comp bows for pure pvm, or, less commonly used but they do have a underrated special, magical shortbows, though that's more useful vs reponds or undead, for drags comp would be better) that have decent cold damage and hopefully either no other mods or just a bump to what you're going to imbue anyways. If you're going to spend that much resources to make a slayer bow you may as well go all the way and make a good one.

    Dragon slayer is a really cheap imbue, it's just essence and white pearl, essence of control (for SSI) is the most easily gotten in the game, use the teleporter at the hub and go a few screens down to the goblins, they die in about 1 hit and drop it commonly (take the gob blood too, that's the reg for repond slayer), for relics, you should only need 5-10 total, so that's only 200k-ish gold, imbue the DI to 1, then I would imbue SSI, HLD, HML, one other hit spell of your choice (heavily dependant on template) then imbue DI back up, you'll easily do twice the damage that you would be doing with the bow you already imbued. (also, if wraith forming, replace HML with another hit spell)
     
  8. Guardian KX

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    The only thing GM would have given me that I didn't already have was 10% more hit chance. THATS IT. If I had gone runic, the only thing it would have saved me was garbage regs that other trollers think are easy to get in the first place.

    Soooooo.... The next Mr. Know-it-all just save us all the wasted words and MAKE a bow better than mine. All the smack talk about how easy this is or how simple that is, and yet this thread has sat here for 3 days and I YET have to see a bow even close. While your crafting those frostwood runics in a hope to get a 100% cold one, remember mines at 62% Dmg and you cannot inhance yours. And my dragon killer does (3X 12% more damage) 36% more than yours does at 50%. I can then put on THE SAME damage increase crap you do, guess what, mine still does 36% more damage THAN YOU CAN EVER DO. Oh, and hey... mine 100% cold as well, still more damage than you can EVER do. So start at the 100% cold and 62% Dmg Inc, then post a screen shot. Make sure its on Siege or at least take the insured tag off so you can properly fool everyone.
     
  9. Heavenless

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    100% brain dmg....*laughs out loud*....

    *waits for a better bow to be posted*

    :yell:
     
  11. Guardian KX

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    DAMN
    Its like finding a blood slayer weapon on a Blood Ele.

    Just incrediable. All it needs is a "instant faction rune recall at 20% life" mod.
     
  12. Klapauc

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    Get an idea how damage increase from items works, its capped at 100. So every dragon slayer bow out there does exactly the same amount of damage as long as you have 100 di from items (after consecrate), not factoring in tactics and anatomy of course.
    Everyone has the choice to use a charge of the enhance tool or not, the bow itself is not bad for your template, but in your case its questionable if the end result will be worth it.
     
  13. Guardian KX

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    Damage increase is capped on PvP, not PvM. At least thats my understanding. Please post the sight or info in question if im incorrect.

    Next?
     
  14. Guardian KX

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    And for one moment lets think about that.

    100% cold Dmg against a G Drag with 60 cold resist or your (???) bow that does 100% phy damage against its 90 Phy resist.

    I suggest you look into your own #'s before you talk more questionable knowledge.
     
  15. Heavenless

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    STOP PICKING ON GUARDIAN!! He's suffering from the effects of my 100% DAIN BRAMAGE bow!

    But I digress, cold damage + dragon slayer...fascinating.
     
  16. Klapauc

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    After consecrate weapon wich does target the lowest resist, every dragon slayer bow is equal with 100 di from items which is cap in pvm. SDI has no cap in pvm , weapon damage has.
    Your bow does not 36% more, it does exactly the same as another 100 cold dragon slayer bow with 0 di on it if you got the missing 100 di somewhere else.
    I was trying a friendly explanation why your assumptions are a bit wrong.

    Source Damage Increase - UOGuide, the Ultima Online encyclopedia
     
  17. Guardian KX

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    The sight you posted was last updated 2007. Many changes in many things that this sight doesn't mention.
    It states nothing about slayer weapons. It says everythings maxed at 300% and your ASSUMING they mean 100% times 3 for a slayer weapon, but it doesn't STATE that.
    It states nothing about the difference between monsters and players.
    The sight is a player based quoting sight. Nothing official besides someone pointing repeatedly at a 5 on friday comment 5 years ago.
    Who the heck mentioned consecrate weapon? If you wanna waste 70-120 skill on a bow that I have that does the same thing, then you burn those skills. This thread is based on items, not skills. Heck, I can wear a normal bow and lead a G dragon into town and have it guard wacked with 100% insta kill.

    I'm finished talking about my bow and instead wait for the mass screenies with 100% cold, 62% DI (or more), Dragon slayers bows. Remember that Reptile slayer only does 2X Dmg and doesn't count. So the Juka King bow isn't a factor.
     
  18. Raptor85

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    DI is capped at 100% from items, 300% is the total DI cap (items + skills/etc).

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    Not 100% cold as that's unnecessary for max damage w/ bushido (criticals don't take damage type into account, they work like armor ignores). Designed for spawns hence the cold area instead of direct hit spell, made for taking on 3-4 at once not 1v1, a necessary tradeoff to be fast enough in the spawn to even get to the boss and save on ammo. Averages roughly 270 or so damage a shot to rikktor, a bit low but again, was a necessary tradeoff so I could run the rest of the spawn myself faster.
     
  19. Guardian KX

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    Can't access the sight as its not garenteed safe to my computer. And when I did, again not 100% cold or 62% Dmg.
     
  20. Raptor85

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    extra DI won't bump my damage, suit is already at 100%

    I didnt really have the patience to burn runics hoping for a 100% poison (better than cold vs dragons), and I needed the 500 imbue cap to fit the mods necessary for doing a spawn...easier though just to wear one of these Quiver of Blight - UOGuide, the Ultima Online encyclopedia

    Also, the point of us here saying you should rethink using the forge tool was to help you out, stop you from doing something silly like wasting a few mil making a bow that's merely "ok" when you could spend the same making an amazing one. But hey, if you want to take it as insults whatever, if you want to spend a few mil on a weapon that, while yeah it's 100% cold and 62% DI will still do half the damage of my heavy crossbow have at it.
     
  21. Guardian KX

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    Absolutely correct, your bow should deal more damage based on its higher ability to do so. Mine still keeps the G dragon from spamming heal on itself.

    Blight quiver slipped my mind completely and TY for its mention. Im going to have to keep it in mind in my next attempt at a bow.

    Reguardless of the threads point I have learned many things overall.

    TY to those who spoke up.
     
  22. Freelsy

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    The way I always understood it (and I'm pretty darn sure it's current) is damage increase in PVM is capped at 300%. Of that, damage increase from items (weapons, gear, rings etc) is 100%. You have 100% dedicated to Slayer and the last 100% from Honor (if you're using bushido) or if you're using EOO, which has a maximum damage increase of 64% at 120 chiv.

    So your best bet is to use the slayer, DI from gear, EOO and honor to hit maximum.

    But yes, your bow will hit just as hard as anyone else that has 100%DI built into their suit. In fact, since your bow has ****ty specials, folks that use a comp bow will out damage you over time with the boost to AI's and the like.

    Here is a fun post
    http://vboards.stratics.com/uo-warrior/221158-question-about-damage-increase.html
     
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    They changed it a while back so that specific slayers do 150% while super slayers do 100%.

    So Guardian will most likely have 250%, assuming he doesn´t have chiv or bushido squeezed into his template.

    So with the bow, spells and pets he should be able to do some nice damage...
     
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    Slightly wrong. 100 di from items and the 300% damage cap are 2 different things, they are calculated separatly.
    Di from items goes into a formula involving tactics, anat,str,weapon and lumberjacking. UO Stratics - Combat
    This gives you your weapon base damage that is displayed in stat window.

    Then the damage modifiers come into play, allowing you to do triple base damage, also called 300% cap.
    Modifiers are
    single slayer 300% 3x ( or +200%)
    super slayer 200% 2x ( or +100%)
    perfection 200% 2x (+100%)
    eoo adds 84% at 120 chiv, 50% at 84
    consecrate adds 15% at 120
    Stuff like crushing blow, focus and ki attack also count as modifiers.
    So single slayer puts you at cap, also super slayer+eoo or perfection+eoo.
    For maximum damage armor ignores you need more then 300% in modifiers because ai does only 90% damage.
    The only things that let you go over that 300% damage maximum are lumberjacking and rage focus, but i could never verify that for rage focus.

    A good testing object for that is niporailem, he always got one resist ( i belive its fire) at exactly zero.
     
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    Those numbers aren't correct, single slayer is 200%, super 100%, perfection 1% per point of bushido at 100 perfection (120% bonus cap). The thread posted above is also very much incorrect.

    Five on Friday - June 1, 2007 - UOGuide, the Ultima Online encyclopedia

    Stuff like AI and concecrate/criticals do not effect DI, they change damage types to lower elements or in the case of AI/crits change the damage type to direct damage. (actulally, i think concecrate has a slight damage bonus now, but it's main effect is still the element)

    These all take effect after tact/anat/str so its best to get those as high as possible for maximum bonus (tact/anat/str and item bonus provide the number in your character gump)

    One thing strange though is talismen slayers seem to be able to break the 300% cap, so not entirely sure how talismen properties fit in.
     
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    I think with slayers we talk about the same effect, for me 300% is triple damage from single slayer, 200% is double damage from super slayer.
    You talk about the percentage that gets added, the result is the same.

    About ai damage, since ai does only 90% of your base damage, you end up with 270% at 300% cap, recent tests have shown that you can increase that 270% back to 300% if you add damage modifiers that would get you above 300%.

    Not sure where you get the bushido numbers from, never seen more than double damage from 120 bushido, its the same at 60, just takes longer to reach perfection.
    You can believe that or not, but i have verified these numbers for myself.

    Unsure about other talisman than undead, but undead gives you exactly same bonus as super slayer and does not go over cap.
     
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    it's not the same, you say super slayer + eoo gets you to damage cap or single slayer gets you to damage cap. This is incorrect though, you're still significantly under the cap in both cases. If you're suiting like that thinking your at max damage you're actually missing 100% di.

    300% di would deal 400% normal damage, so that's quad damage, not triple.

    For perfection I could re-test it again, I haven't since I used to play pre-ml, but this is how perfection damage bonus worked from SE launch until ML at least, I don't recall any patch notes of it having been changed since then. (most quotes of 100% DI stem from the assumptoin of GM bush)

    For the talis i'm not talking about the "killer" properties on them, but the slayer properties (mage slayer, flame slayer, etc...), not sure how they're calculated in but when my damage should be capped already equipping the tali deals significantly more damage.
     
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    Take the damage number shown in your stat window. Multiply with 3 . That number is your 300% damage cap. You cannot go above that easily.
    Equipping undead slayer tali, undead slayer weapon, perfection bonus and eoo all at once do not change anything from having only undead slayer + eoo.

    The only exception here is armor ignore because it deals only 90% damage against zero resist.

    There is no such a thing like 400%, that would be 4x damage.

    Would be interesting to see some numbers from slayer talisman, i did not use anything other than undead recently.

    About perfection, i have chars at 60,80 and 120 bushido and they all get the full bonus.
     
  29. Guardian KX

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    I went too bed, Geeezzzz.

    :bdh:

    Enough Already. Numbers.... Hurt.... Brain.....
     
  30. Guardian KX

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    *wishes I could just shut up*
    Since were all done sword playing with Damage output, lets get to that cold damage. Only way I could do more damage was to attack its lowest resist base repeatedly... hence the whole damn purpose of the 100% Cold Damage. No extra skills or items needed, just repeatedly slamming it via the bows simple mod.

    And I have no need to cast spells besides greater heals (no eval in template) and use a orange pettle, and thats if I dont put on ninja for dog form.

    On most Quivers it says 10% Damage modifier. Does this mean it adds 10% (if not already over cap)? Modifies implys a CHANGE, not 10% added too. This of course has to be wrong when they plainly point out a 50%/50% change on the quiver of blight for example, but even that quiver says 10% modified.

    Input on Quivers 10% Mod? And on a quiver of the elements it does 100% chaos Dmg... This means it hits one resist 100%, randomly, every shot correct?
     
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    It's a ****ty bow... For one he's a "Caster" So he's going to have low dex even with 30SSI he will only swing it once every 3.25 seconds<---horrible.

    This bow requires 50SSI & 180+ stam just to swing it at 1.75

    I don't know the math formulas but ya 100 DI on items, EOO, bushido = max damage. 100 Di from items, 100 DI from EOO, and 100 DI from Perfection =300 cap.

    Add a slayer to the above and you will not hit any harder... I've done lady Mel for years and I know you can't hit any harder than what I'm hitting.

    http://www.uoguide.com/Damage_increase
    http://www.uoguide.com/Perfection
     
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    just let it go.... talking to a wall Kage.
     
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    *Sigh* :sad4: