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Discussion in 'UHall' started by Bobar, Nov 17, 2010.

  1. Bobar

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    Well it looks like the blossoming career of my new Fisherman has come to a grinding halt.

    Having reached 105 with no real prospect of advancing any further under the current set-up I will have to call it a day for now.

    I only ever got one 105 powerscroll so the possibility of obtaining enough for a 110 seems remote to say the least unless I am prepared to carry out endless quests and receive even more rare fish baits, lava fishing rods, lava lobster pots and handbooks. As for the handbooks one of each is ok but as a reward after that they are as much use as a square wheel for a bicycle.

    Also
    I am now reading in another post you lose reputation if you talk to the fishmongers. I cannot believe this, surely not, but if so what prize Wally thought that one up?.

    Lose reputation if you refuse a quest? this too seems particularly stupid, cancel a quest maybe but if you refuse a quest you dont even know what it is so there is nothing to gain by refusing. Maybe you just want to dry dock your boat.

    So thats it for now. I have no real complaints with the booster other than this ridiculous system of obtaining Fishing scrolls; at least with Imbuing the option to move on was given right there at the soulforge.

    The prospect of catching hundreds of fish just to feed the trashcans is not one that fills me with anticipation so its back to my other characters for now.
     
  2. Babble

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    See it as a sophisticated rot system.
    The next publish or the one after that will probably fix most of the broken fishing systems, then you can train again.

    They just want that all catch up and continue together
    *group hug*
     
  3. Lady Storm

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    You mean you forgot you could bind a few 105's together to get to 110.
     
  4. phantus

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    Isn't it 10? A few?
     
  5. Babble

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    That is for the dedicated then who really want to beat he system.
    Seperates the powergamer from the normals
    :p
     
  6. Twooflower

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    ... you are not the only one waiting ...
     
  7. Bobar

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    No I haven't forgotten. If you read my post you will see that I am saying I have only ever got ONE. So I have been fishing and doing the quests since the booster was released and my reward for all that time is one miserable 105 scroll. Sure I have had quite a few mibs during fishing which are quite fun but I like to have an objective which I consider achievable. Getting 8 or 10 105 scrolls, whichever it is, does not meet that criteria for me.

    I also consider fishing to be set up very poorly. At GM there is nowhere you can fish where the skill level required is greater than easy.

    This means that even if I were to get a 110 scroll I would have no chance of gaining on inshore fish to fill an order fishing for these is simply 'Too Easy'.

    Crab fishing too is badly in need of some adjustment and until these issues are addressed (if they ever are) my Fisherman now goes into mothballs
     
  8. Gheed

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    The +5's come a bit faster after the first. It takes 8 to bind a 110. I got to 110 rather easily compared to some other skills. At 110 lobster fishing seems to yield much better rewards.

    Currently there is some concern that turning in a crate to a monger you have a different quest with will lower your fame. I've put off fishing for now until the next patch save skilling up my 2nd fisher to 105 and third to gm.
     
  9. Twooflower

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    the 105 scroll do not come to everybody - I got my first after about 75 quests and nothing thereafter ... done at least another 150 quests until I finally gave up

    Sorry - but this is a waste of time, and it is really sad that the potential of this High Sea Booster has no chance to be utilized - as still so many bugs that came with this booster have not properly been adressed.
     
  10. Yeah, I agree the system is a waste of time. I did quests relentlessly in the days after the release, and was one of the first (and still only by the sounds of it) to bind 105s to make a 110. Then, I reached 110 fishing while continuing to do quests. When I realized how impossible it was to get a 110 fishing scroll, let alone a 115 or 120, I put away my fishing gear and haven't cast a single line since.

    Look, I understand that the developers want to make it a challenging skill so that everyone doesn't reach 120 fishing in the first weeks after it is released. Yes, it is disheartening that 120 tailoring scrolls sell for about 50k on my shard (sometimes just find them lying around at the bank), but I appreciate that fishing would be a better skill if getting to legendary is a challenge.

    But look, anyone that has been through a basic statistics or data analysis course can tell you that the current system of fishing PS is completely asinine and ridiculous. Let's run some numbers based on very rough estimates; and let's look at it in a number of different ways:

    Approach 1: As far as I know, nobody has reported receiving any 115 or 120 PS. I certainly haven't seen any for sale because I'm desperately looking for one, stuck at 110 myself. In fact, I only know of one verified report on any shard of a 110 PS dropping; though I concede there may be others. Let's just focus on 120 PS for the moment. I'm going to assume that there are a number of people per shard who have been fishing for countless hours every single day since the booster came out over a month ago. I can tell you I was certain like that early on (enough to get 10 105 PS, one of which I ate, 8 of which I bound for a 110, and one that I gave to a friend).

    Now, if we just extrapolate out; which is difficult given that NO 120s have dropped, let's say it take 2 months of non-stop 8-20 hours per day of fishing to get a 120 fishing PS, across all shards. That mean, given that drop rate, that in about 48 months there will be enough 120 PS drop for ONE on each North American shard. Take it out even further, say there are 5 hard core fishermen per shard who fish 8-20 hours a day until they get a 120 PS. We're looking at 240 months when each of these 5 hardcore fisherman on each shard will get a 120 fishing PS, based on what we currently know. In case you were wondering, that's 20 years. TWENTY. And only if you keep up the pace of fishing 8-20 hours a day.

    What are the hopes for someone who only fishes 2 hours per day instead of 10? Well that's easy, 100 years (not UO years, we're talking RL years) of fishing every day for 2 hours per day. How about 10 hours per day, but only once per week? That's even more bleak. We're looking at 140 years. For those of you that believe UO will be around in 140 years...will you? Lol.

    Approach 2: Let's try to look only at data for an individual fisherman, instead of making assumptions for the group as a whole. Who knows, maybe hundreds of unnamed fisherman have already gotten their 120 PS, and those of us on stratics are just unlucky (yeah, right). Let's just assume that you can do 1 fishing quest per hour. This is being very generous, if you take into account everything from catching crabs and lobsters to finding a safe spots in dungeon to sailing for port to port (one quest at a time, since I believe holding multiple crates diminishes your reputation). So, 1 hour per quest, all inclusive.

    I know that I did 350+ quests without receiving anything higher than a 105 PS. Let's say fortune smiles upon me, and on quest number 351 I am magically guaranteed a 110s PS (I know people who have done a lot more than 350 and have not received a 110). That would mean I'm a little less than 1% of the way there to binding a 120 (you need 120 total 110s to bind a 120). There's no reason to assume that the drop rates for 115 or 120 scrolls are better than binding 110s to get there; as experience from the 105 scrolls show.

    So, if in fact it takes 351 quests to get a 110 fishing scroll, we could estimate that it would take 30,120 quests to get that elusive 120 fishing scroll drop. Assuming that each quest takes an hour, if you fish for 10 hours a day you would have your 120 scroll in about 3012 days; which is approximately 8.25 years. Nice!

    That's a little better than the 20 year estimate in approach #1, but remember, in this approach we're assuming that the 110 PS will magically appear on quest number 351 for me after no sign in the first 350 tries... The number will start to look just as bleak (as if 8.25 years isn't bad enough) if the 110 doesn't show up for another 350 tries. Don't feel like fishing 10 hours a day for the next decade or two? Well, you slackers that only want to fish 2 hours per day should be sure to put your 120 fishing PS in your will; because you children and grandchildren will probably need to keep up the fight for a few decades after they bury you.

    So, we don't know what the actual numbers are, but there's no doubt that the developers didn't give much thought about the actual results. They thought, let's make fishing hard, let's make up some random number like 1% of all 6-line, 150+ fishing quests drop 120 scrolls; never taking the time to figure out that it might take 20 years for a crazed fisherman to get such a drop. Like I said, anyone who's taking a basic statistics course could have figured it out.
     
  11. Willard

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    What realy stinks is a lot of people purchased the Booster because it raised the cap on Fishing and now the chance of ever reaching 120 is just a dream...or nightmare if you decide to attempt to do endless quests to bind enough scrolls to ever see a 120. I am 52 years old---I doubt I will live to 100 to be able to do that many quests!

    Lets hope we do not have to purchase a 110 Fishing Booster....115 Fishing Booster.....120 Fishing Booster???
     
  12. DenAlton036

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    Good posts.. I got to GM and quit. I did well over 100 quests to get a 105 scroll. I ate it though Im not sure why exactly...?
    At least the booster made it a LITTLE more tollerable than it was prior. My question now is.. whats the point? Why are we even wanting a 120 PS? So we can fish up legendary fish for the pies? Ill pass, doesn't sound worth it to me.

    Im just blown away that the whole thing was never really thought out prior to release. Course being an EC only player I shouldn't be...
    The ships are nice (and could be improved a lot) and the 20% storage increase is nice. MIBS are cool (I have more wedding dresses than I know what to do with).... but I have NOOO desire at all to ever be a legendary fisherman... unless it might somehow help me defeat the rediculously hard new bosses..... hmmm.
     
  13. Babble

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    Ok even for my opinion a few years of 10 hour fishing is maybe a bit too hardcore
    :p
     
  14. Luna [MoD]

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    Today the first? 120 Fishing Scroll dropped on Drachenfels to a friend by doing Quests.
    I added the Pic where she show it me in the Tradewindow.
    And here is a link to the German Forum where she Post it: Fishing - Wie sieht es mit Powerscroll aus ? - Ultima Bibliothek
    Looks like they fixed it now and we can get the Scrolls *g*
     

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  15. Lady Storm

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    I know sugar. We had a discussion in chat other day on just this very subject. the number was so high to get enough 5's for a 120. But I read a player got a 120, so it looks like the bottleneck is busted. NOw go fishing. (pats head gentily)
     
  16. Sellingahouse

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    Do you happen to know what skill level they had and what quest they turned in to get the scroll?
     
  17. mysty

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    that was me with the scroll :)
    i had 110 fishing and it was a quest with 6 parts, but don't ask me what kind of fish...i made hundrets of quests and dont remember them. i only know that i needed 20 hummer lobster for this quest and *bobed* more than 2 hours to get them *g*.
    but now i know that all the work was ok for me. sometimes it was a pain...i know, but now everything is fine ;)
     
  18. SashaSeeks

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    Congrats on getting the 120PS!!!!!!!!
     
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    Congrats, at least it is not a "cursed" scroll. :thumbup1:
     
  20. That's awesome to actually see one of those.

    Now, the question is, how long before one makes it to my shard. Hmm, let's see, the booster has been out about a month and a half now. There's what, 20 shards? So in about 30 months there will be one scroll per shard at this rate? I hope I'm the lucky one here, but I'm afraid my mind is already numb and my elbow hurts (for real) from moving fish around and doing fishing quests so I'm sad to say it probably won't be me.
     
  21. Mapper

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    Congrats on the scroll! What a rare.. :D
     
  22. popps

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    Well, there is light at the end of the tunnel it seems :)

    Do you at least remember if it needed dungeon fish and whether it was only 1 type of dungeon fish or more ?

    It would help to also know whether all 6 types were requested in 20 quantity or whether some of them where requested in less than 20 quantity.

    Congratulations.
     
  23. Silverbird

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    Seems like the fishmongers on drachenfels are more generous than on other shards. First Umfufu with a110' ps and now this. :D
    Congrats on it.
     
  24. mysty

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    ty for the congrats :)
    i'm sorry that i cant remember what kind of fish was in this quest. i think it was 2 kinds of hummer/crabs ( the hummer i remember cause i needed more than 2 hours to get it ),2 were high sea fish und 2 dungeon. i think it was grim cisco and maybe orc bass, but i'm not sure.
     
  25. popps

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    Do you remember if all 6 types were 20 quantity or was there any at less than 20 quantity ?
     
  26. mysty

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    no, not all were 20
     
  27. Babble

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    And don't forget, there is the RNG factor too
    :p
     
  28. With all these fishermen posts, I think your tears are raising the sea level of sosaria.


    My goodness. Stop it. Play the game.

    Go buy a scroll. I can't take it anymore.
     
  29. Silverbird

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    You cannot buy anyhwere what is not dropping. Actually there are reports of one 110'er fishing ps through questing and now one 120 ps. 105's are usually going for 4 mill and more. Actually all champ spawners have tears in there eyes when they compare those prices with theirs.
    Wonder how many tears it will take, before parts of Sosaria are getting flooded and which part might be the first. :D
     
  30. They are dropping. They just arent stupidly easy. Relax play a little dabble a little. They will come.
     
  31. MonkeyDLuffy

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    I am not here to complain about the drop rate.
    But about the reputation, after reading Mark_mod's reply. I actually stopped fishing.

    I have wasted so much time on getting multiple fishing quests at a time.
    and keep wondering why I am keep getting order for quality of 5 (not quitting out from a single quest).

    I don't think Mark_mod has even commented on that yet.

    Dev team, please try to get 105 fishing PS this thanksgiving weekend and let us know what you think about your system on Monday.

    ** bob **
    ** bob **
    ** bob **
    ** bob **
     
  32. Ox AO

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    reputation? what is this about?

    do i have to have high fame or something?
     
  33. SashaSeeks

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    Check out the other two threads in UHall that discuss Fish Monger Reputation.
     
  34. Ox AO

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    I guess I have to do one quest at a time then.


    started doign that got my first 5 scroll after like 100 quests.
     
  35. SashaSeeks

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    Yep, I quest at a time until they get some things fixed!!! Mark Mythic, was looking into it, but he seems to have gotten lost somewhere....
     
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    I'm awfully proud of my shard and of myst especially, so I have to post this:
    Legendary Fisher

    This to all the haters who say Drachenfels is dead. Also our zoo is full most of the time :p
     
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    can you give us Newbs a hit on the PS?

    Are the Power scrolls random drops in the quests or do we need to bind some together or what? So far I only got 3 105's.


    Thanks
     
  39. mysty

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    the best way is to bind the scrolls to a 110 ( the way i did ). with 106/107 skill you get quests with dungeon fishes. the quest that gave me the scroll was a 6part quest with 2 high hummer/crab, 2 high seas fishes and 2 dungeons. not all 20 but some were 20.
    and i think you also need a lot of luck :)
     
  40. Ox AO

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    Did you do one crate order at a time or mulitpule crate orders at one time avoiding the possable bug?

    Thank you Mysty.
     
  41. mysty

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    i always did multible crates. i drove the same route and had also only one ready quest for this town when i got the scroll.
     
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    thank you mysty
     
  43. Ahuaeyjnkxs

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    Legendary fish pies, that is funny. What are they going to do next to make the game more interesting.

    Hats off to those people with the patience for this.
     
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    I've never completed a single fishing quest. After 10 hours of fishing and not a single Spiney Lobster, I called it quits. I had gathered probably a hundred of every other lobster, but no spiney. I let my boat sink with a full hold a few days ago.
     
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    Sounds like you sir, just need to script it, as we have no more GM's, it should not be a problem having a few hundred of every fish and lobster in a few days.

    But. I do understand your frustration, Challenge in UO = MASSIVE time investment, or INSANE amount of HP on some stupid random monster.
     
  46. popps

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    I thought that scripting was not allowed and that there was some spreadsheet file with informations on those accounts who had used not allowed third party utilities.

    Is that old news and now scripting is ok ??
     
  47. Babble

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    There is no scripting .. well not officially anyway

    :p
     
  48. popps

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    Uhu ??

    Is it not legal to script or what ?

    I mean, not officially means what ? "Tolerated" perhaps ?

    It was my understanding that players scripting were monitored and their accounts banned.

    It is not the case ?

    There are players scripting freely and without any consequences to their accounts ?

    I mean, what kind of a rule is the rule that is not or is hardly enforced ??

    Can we please have it clear cut ? Is scripting allowed or does it get players to get their accounts banned ???

    Why does it have to be officially something and unofficially something else ?

    Ain't this some sort of a double standard ?

    So there are players out there actually spending THEIR time on doing fishing quests, a LOT of their time and there are other players, instead, scripting to get their fish, their crabs, their lobsters caught without wasting much of their time on it ???

    And this scripting has no consequences on the accounts of those who do it ?

    If this is really what is going on this is incredible and outrageous, IMHO.
     
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    Oh common Popps... I'm sure we all tought you knew that since a long while ago.

    If 1% of scripters were banned you'll be lucky.

    I have seen and known scripters in UO since beta in 97... I know one out of a 100 that are perma scripting (and some to this day) and they never got caught.

    The GMs are in india and do not care for the most.

    They are not true gamemasters, the shareholders are laughing at this game like they would mock an old senile man who is ready to die for his honor with a sword ina field of bazookas.

    Ever seen the last Samurai ?

    Oh... the devs are having fun, I think their cool and they have nice ideas... but up there, something has UO in a vice grip.
     
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    Not sure if I understood that right, please correct me if I am wrong...

    Do I need to understand that, for the most part, accounts are not being banned for using illegal third party utilities and that they will not be banned also in the future?

    If that is the case, which would astonish me, then why on earth they do not just say that using non-approved third party utilities is just OK ?

    I mean, why say they are not legal to use but not take action against those who use them ?

    It does not make any sense to me at all.

    Nor, I think, is it fair towards all those players who actually happen NOT TO use unapproved third party utilities.

    Either ban those who use them or declare them ok to be used. It makes no sense to say they are bad but hardly do anything against those who use them.