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35 million gold...

Discussion in 'UHall' started by MatrixCubed, Apr 11, 2009.

  1. MatrixCubed

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    ...that's what's I saw items priced at for a starting bid during an auction on the prodo shard I haven't played in over two years. I have a modest 2-story and 7 mil in the bank having bought nothing and sold every sellable bag, bottle, gem and looted every mongbat I ever killed during my time there. I averaged 14 hours a day for the few 2 years, 10 a day for the next few and gradually less but it took all that time to make about 10 mil total on a mage. I used to pick up regs in Glow at server up so I wouldn't have to buy them. Oh, I could have 'farmed' gold off of blood eles with a tamer but that's not 'playing' Sad part was a few people actually bought more than one mutil-million gold item for sale. How the hell did the company that runs this game let this get so out of hand? I never understood why people who went to Siege never went 'home' again...I do now...
     
  2. T'Challa

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    There's more to it than that, but it's definitely part of it...
     
  3. Pfloyd

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    Not being mean but 14 hours a day? What did you do bank sit? Just doing the Magincia quest with the threads on all your characters would have gotten you several million within the first week selling the rubble pieces.

    Don't knock the game developers if you don't know something that the majority of the people playing this game know...how to make money if they want to.

    All those people who have that kind of money that don't spend rl cash to get it know that you don't get that kind of wealth by looting monsters gold and gems.

    Don't kid yourself. Even if i don't play Siege i bet there are quite a few items that a few people would pay multi millions for if they were given a chance.
     
  4. GalenKnighthawke

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    Umm....yeah.

    This statement is key:

    Why isn't it?

    So this:

    is playing, and killing blood elementals isn't.

    Your preferences aren't objectivity. What this means is that the way you want to play isn't any more "playing" than the way someone else wants to play.

    IRL, some people like to bake their own bread. Of those who buy their own bread, some buy cheap bread, some buy fancy, expensive bread. Of the latter, some do it for preference, some for taste, some for health.

    In-game, some people like to pick reagents off the ground, some like to kill blood elementals. Some like to kill troglodytes, dread spiders, elder gazers, etc. Once upon a time, some people only crafted. I'm only beginning to realize how much that isn't true anymore, and it's making me increasingly sad. But, still....The point is that when some people only crafted, I bet some other players whined that only crafting wasn't "playing" somehow.

    There are all kinds of things to do in this game for your characters to make money, depending on whether you want to make "new money" from monsters, or make "old money" by selling goods to other characters.

    What you're basically saying is, "the method I used doesn't get me as much gold as the methods others use, therefore there must be something wrong with their method."

    Now I, for one, will and have entertained arguments that certain activities are "too easy," or certain templates are "too powerful." And certainly there's been far too much impact over the years from duping or other forms of cheating.

    But cheating doesn't really seem to be the source of your complaint from what I could decipher.

    If you love Siege so much, stay there, play, and have fun. Don't come onto a production shard and whine that other people are more successful than you are.

    Your not doing as well as someone else is not, in and of itself, a sign of something wrong with the economy. Fellies often whine that Trammel is somehow Communistic. Well, thoughts like the ones you're putting forth here are far closer to Communism, and revolutionary Communism at that, than is pretty much anything I've ever heard any Trammel player say.

    -Galen's player
     
  5. Sir Kelek

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    Alot of us buy low and sell high. Not hard to make millions, just need to invest and make profits. You can easily turn that 7 mill into 14-20-50 mill ect, just need to make wise investments in game is all.
     
  6. PASmountaindew

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    Just like Sir kelek mentioned a lot of people buy things low and re-sell higher. Currently in just gold I have a bit over 300 mill. When the change originally happened to bags of sending the prices drastically dropped on the powder. I bought all that I could find just in case the prices went back up. Right now I have roughly 30k powder and the prices are coming up because the bags are more useful. So in a way you need to almost be like an oil prospector.
     
  7. Phaen Grey

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    Galen we may be few and far between but us crafters are still out there.

    I have a character with only crafting skills, she plays the housekeeper of another one of my characters. She isn't a hero, she can't slay a dragon, but she does bake the best damn gingerbread men around. I roleplay her and there are other players who come to her for advice, to cater parties or events, to help with house decorating etc. She makes very little money but she is one of my favourite characters to play and I always look forward to logging her in and sharing time with people.

    My game style is not very lucrative, in the 10 years I've played I've made less than 10 million of my own gold. I have however enjoy every minute of the time I've played.
     
  8. *jaw drops*

    I cannot even begin to comprehend that.
     
  9. Dermott of LS

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    ...

    I'm pretty sure if I actually auctioned off some of the stuff I've accumulated over 11+ years I could reach that amaount (even though I only have 6 Mill or so on hand in "cash")... I mean once you take into account things like my singing ball, set of ranger armor, coal armor, etc.

    And I'd be willing to bet Dor that you're closer than you think... it's just not all "monetized" at the moment :)
     
  10. It's not all that hard to accomplish. It just takes the "want" and some advice from those that have done it and it'll happen.
     
  11. SirButch

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    years ago it was hard to have hundreds of mills of gold, now it is easy. You could go do a champ spawn and get lucky with a replica and sell some of them for an easy 30 mill or something.
     
  12. Kaleb

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    Its not that hard, IDOC, Buy low sell slightly below market, PvP, I know people on pac that have gold into the billion range, if you dont spend what you dont need to spend then making a profit is easy and the gp just adds up. tho a runic addiction can be as bad as a RL drug addiction money wise lol.
     
  13. Haha...no, you don't understand. :)

    I do not ever want to possess that sort of fortune. To me, gold is cold and meaningless - and thus, worthless.

    I tend to spend any of the stuff on events and other players. It means aught to me.
     
  14. Sarsmi

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    I think I've done just about all of it in UO. Picked regs up off the ground, sold items for 100m+. Right now my interests are pretty modest. I run a bunch of vendors and the majority of them sell dinky items like engraving tools and gargoyle's pickaxes. I found my niche, and it's running vendors who provide items to players they can't usually find. I really enjoy it, a lot more than sitting on a big pile of gold or buying rares that I end up stuffing in boxes, planning to one day decorate with (one day! erm, could happen).

    You can make a lot of gold in UO, pretty easily. Anyone can. But really the question you should ask yourself is if you need a lot of gold to enjoy playing the game. Some people do of course, it is an item based game and really good pvp suits or really nice weapons don't come cheap. Even pets with good stats or the ride color sell for a lot of gold.

    Figure out what you enjoy in UO, then figure out if/how gold factors into that and move on from there. :)
     
  15. UOKaiser

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    I could never imagine that. The world turns round and round with money. Uo does also. With enough gold you can have anything when you want it giving you plenty of time to do anything else you enjoy.
    I lost everything when my houses fell during my last UO vacation. Came back to UO sometime later with only 1 mil in my bank total. But my knowledege of uo workings was still with me. Using that 1 million I turned it into half a billion gold in 1 year and that was while buying everything I lost back along the way except the true rares that I will never get back.
    So I pride myself in reaching my main goal when returning. But got many of other goals to secure.
     
  16. Farsight

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    The thing is, everything I want in UO is ... well ... pretty much free.

    I have people to play with, things to do. I have a couple of outstanding suits for all sorts of activities, but usually play in GM crafted non runic leather gear. I like to earn what I have through random drops rather than buying them (even though buying is often much faster).

    So the only thing I wind up paying for is insurance. The rest of my gold goes to guild or community activities.
     
  17. UOKaiser

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    I can understand that. Though I enjoy every aspect of UO. From mining to crafting to pvm to pvp and everything else. I also like to see what pops out when am hunting. But I consider that enjoyment not a way to raise income.
    I buy what I need and Hunt for the sheer fun of it. If I get something I can use then am leaving with a smile.
    For example right now the 11 year anniversity items have come out. I wanted those bod covers the trees the earrings and the stump. Well I could go a spend 30 dollars on the uo site or buy each token for 3mil or 7 mil for the earings. Well I went out and bought those using my gold. Not 1 dollar had to leave my hand.
    After the buy I was short that much gold so I took a couple of gold runic hammers and 1 agapite runic I have in my storage and sold them to regain the gold I just spent.
    Like most people Im a pack rat. I store mostly everything and only use items when I need either to sell or to use. But it makes me feel secure to know there are things to fall back on.
     
  18. Shantia

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    :heart: Sarsmi's vendor house!! hehe.

    Selling stuff really is the way to go, not so much the farming of gold. But i find myself much to lazy to do either =D LOL. I can make maybe 150k an hour farming money, 1 mil an hour selling stuff. Resources really are the easiest way to make money IF you have a nice overstock of stuff you dont use. That 35 mil replica might sit on your vendor or in your bank box for a long while till you hit the jack pot and find the person that needs it. Everyone and their brother needs resources, barbed leather(60-80g per), spined(25-40g per), and bones(50-100g per) all sell quickly. Wood right now (for me) seems to be at a stand still. Dont sell ingots so i cant say on those =D
     
  19. Bomb Bloke

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    Er, it occurs to me that your time spent looting mongbats may be exactly why you never wracked up much gold.

    Financially, I'm about the same as you (though my house is a bit bigger), and my current account has been running nearly three years.

    The more important difference is that I haven't wracked up nearly as much daily playtime. So how do I keep up? By not wasting time on the "small fry". I don't pick up reagents from the ground when I could go out, fill my pack with gold within half an hour (well I could before they reduced the weight of the stuff), then dump that into a faction vendor. Granted, I'm spending more gold then you, but so what? All up I'm getting more rewards in less time.

    Scratch that, I don't even bother paying for reagents, I wear a full suit of LRC.

    Anyway, I'm not saying "thou must be as efficient as possible", I'm saying that if you want to have a certain amount of gold you don't have to dedicate your game to it. If you like checking what that last mongbat dropped, fine, check. But if you really can't be bothered, there are ways to make gold that take far less time - leaving you to go out and enjoy yourself more often.

    Sometimes spending money is the best way to make money.
     
  20. GarthGrey

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    *starts to comment, especially at a couple of posters, but decides not to*
     
  21. G.v.P

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    House ownership in UO used to be a big deal, and a mil gold used to be a big deal too, but probably since Renaissance, and definitely once Age of Shadows popped up, owning a house didn't much matter and the value of gold steadily decreased. If it isn't an 18x18 now, or inside Luna, no one wants the house.

    There are a few things that come to mind: LRC, gold farm scripts, vampiric embrace, and the market for gold bought by real currencies (which consequently defeats the purpose of discussing playstyles or how people should make money). The land expansions for housing, extra character slots, advanced tokens, what else ;P.

    After that, not sure why people are comparing playstyles or belitting the OP. Simple fact is you don't need more than 100k to really play this game, you really only need 35 mil or more if you spend the majority of your time PvPing on every shard, want to be totally self reliant, or if you are on your way to becoming a rares collector, hehe.
     
  22. Fox (Europa)

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    I'm amazed that no one has mentioned the far and away number 1 means that people use to get multi-millions in UO: Buying for real $ from script gold farmers. This is the reason that items cost the amount they do, they are linked directly to the cost in $ and nothing to do with how much gold (and so in-game work) they cost.
     
  23. gunneroforgin

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    Your playstyle is what you make of it. You do things that are fun to you. I don't enjoy some of things that I do in this game. however, I will do them to be with my guild and friends and then they become fun things to do.

    I do understand what you are saying about people with Millions to spend in game. I made 5 million gold just selling the Pendant of the magi. after buying the eye of travesty for 300k and then getting the other nesscessary ingrediants together. I made 700k clear profit on each one. Now the market is somewhat saturated I will probably have to charge less for them. I will have to charge more if I have to risk my own life to get the eye.
     
  24. Amren

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    Making money in this game is easy. I have a fairly large amount of it as well.

    The real problem is figuring out how to spend it, because there is nothing you cant get on your own without a little hard work. So the money keeps piling up with nothing to spend it on.
     
  25. BloodstoneGL

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    Maybe I missed the point of the OP, or maybe everyone esle did. But I think what he's getting at is how did so much gold get in to the game in the first place. Years ago (read 10 years ago) it was hard to get 100k, now you can make that in no time because there is no one to balance farmers (read pks).

    And lets not forget duping as well.
     
  26. You can make 30 million in a week.
    You have a vet account. When its reward time select commodity deed boxes. Sell them for 4-5 million each. Bingo.
     
  27. Draxous

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    This.
     
  28. Omnius

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    on atlantic, 35million is for the peasants.... Gold is almost worthless.
     
  29. Kojak

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    anything less than a billion these days and you're poor
     
  30. Aboo

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    I second that and I've played continuously for 11+ years.
     
  31. MatrixCubed

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    Went MIA for a bit...you're close to the point I was making...all the crap...it's so damned easy to get. The gold is easy now...the items are easy...take your choice...farm gold or farm items...that was the point...it's too easy to have too much...you just have to farm, you don't even have to survive....
     
  32. Omnius

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    theres no item loss anymore, so nothing ever leaves the economy. It's all just permanently building in numbers.
     
  33. Zooithion

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    Me too. I guess I don't play just to get massive amounts of gold. I get the gold I need to have the things I need after all these years. I do have fun tho. I don't even have vendors. :)

    Whatever gets you off I guess :pancakes:
     
  34. Wraith One

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    To the OP, I see your complaint is not about cheating or bugs, but about simple choices that you make. What you consider to be fun and interesting to do in the game turns out to be one of the slower ways to make a bigger stash of gold. Hunting and gathering societies were never that wealthy to begin with. You need to broaden your perspective to introduce new methods of income. Everyone can't do the same things to gain money or we would all be rich, but there are so many ways in this game to gain wealth faster than simply hunting for it. I have pretty much thrown out the whole hunting perspective for making gold to spend as it serves as more of a sink hole than an actual gain. You might make some gold from hunting, but not nearly as much as you would in several other methods. I've spent my time selling runic tools for gold. Back when barbed runics were 5mil I sold probably close to 40 or so within a few months. I've recently sold agapite runic hammers for about 6-7mil per, and I get these fairly easily. I'd try to sell my verite runic I made from bods, but since the dupers destroyed the verite runic market no one touches it. I've also spent time doing "Fallen Houses." You might be surprised at the mass amounts of wealth you can obtain from a single house fall. My best to date grab has to be near 600mil in items from a single home. Now, finding a home with this ridiculous amount is very rare, but it does happen. I no longer have a need for any resources as I have far more than I'll ever use. I've even tried buying low and selling high. You would be surprised at the price variations from location to location on the shard, and cross-sharding. Your replica Oak Leaf cloak might be worth 3mil on ATL, but on some other shards its still up to 6mil. It also has to do with what you hunt. Champ spawning may not be your best form of cash. Getting a replica can be a difficult task given the more people there, the less chance you have. This same method works in doom, and ML dungeons. You simply need to assess your time spent and look for alternative methods of gathering gold.
     
  35. Orthus

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    Okay, I took the OP differently. For every person screaming "Just buy low and sell high!" there must be someone who picked up the gold involved. Buying and selling only redistributes gold, it cannot create it. Every single stinking coin of gold had to be looted or received from an NPC (let's ignore duping for now). How the hell does there get to be that much money in the game?

    Have 1 billion? Best farm rate of 150k per hour? Someone had to farm non-stop at 150k/hour for 6,666 hours. The numbers are staggering. The best I've done is a fish arbitrage between Brit (an NPC buying at 15 gold per fish) and Moonglow (I think it was Moonglow...the NPC was selling at 3-4 gold per fish). With a fleet of pack horses, you could turn 1 million in a couple of hours. Guess what, your billion still takes 2,000 hours. That's a standard work year (40 hours per week, 50 weeks), but of course the arbitrage fails in a few hours because you flood the Brit NPC with cheap fish.

    The numbers are so large across so many players that there must be other ways of creating gold in the game. Even scripters can't produce that much. Think about the 1 billion again. 24/7 farming for the billion still takes almost 40 weeks of continuous, uninterrupted scripting.

    Now let's talk about duping. The only way to get this much gold into the game is through duping. It is what brought us to this unbalanced economy...but it is also duping that supplies the excessive gold in the economy that allows legit players to buy an Eye for 300k, make a pendant, and sell it for 7 mill.

    Until script monkeys and dupers are dealt with by Mythic, the economy will always have these outrageous prices. Even if they did deal with them, the gold they created will still exist since it's been rinsed and washed dozens of times and you can't find the original duped piles to delete them.
     
  36. Maximus Neximus

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    Why is there so much gold ingame?


    The game is 11 years old. Champs spawns alone drop 150k+ and a rat spawn can be done fairly quickly. Sure some gold is probably duped. But odds are the majority of it was gathered through normal means.
     
  37. Mistura

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    lol... :danceb: