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36 +10 fishing scrolls later

Discussion in 'UO Fishing and Treasure Hunting' started by Sellingahouse, Jan 7, 2011.

  1. Sellingahouse

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    And i think im going to give up. I think this everyday but today I looked at some of my fishing baits and some are over 7k. I have 25 different baits, I think I might need a winter dragon fish, if there is one. 140 traps, been throwing away poles, only kept one of each book. 115 fishing, I havent quit quest in a month only quit 5 total .

    I put all my bait in one cup and cant sell one cup for 1 million, +10s for 1 million or poles for 20k. I cant make any money selling the rewards i get and im broke, so i would have to go crabbing/fishing if i want to do more quest.

    I have been doing multi quest for a week now without a problem. Most of the quest I get are large orders. I get more poles than books, I get very few books. I do pull up kingfish and blue marlin without using bait sailing to next quest drop off. Many times I get the same rewards in a row poles, powerscrolls and bait, this is turning in quest fast. Anyone think it might be best to wait 5 minutes before turning in next quest? Does that even matter?

    Everytime I turn in a big order and get 100 zombie/black/stone/blue/king/golden/void, I just know that was the one that could of gave me the +20. Everytime I see a white ps I hold my breath and its a +10 dont get many +5 anymore. Im really frustrated, I hate to say how many quest I have done (im an idiot) but some of you can make a good quess. So I think that quitting the very 1st quest I every got really messed me up and no matter how many I do I will never get above +10.
    sorry about long post
     
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    Well, there is also Scroll Binders.........

    !2x 110 make a 115 and 10x 115 make a 120.........

    Just keep going, save up your minor scrolls and bind them as you go.

    You will either get your 120 as a drop or just bind it.

    That's the beauty with Scroll Binders, we are no longer subject totally to the RNG, we can beat it with work and dedication...
     
  3. Gowron

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    Don't you have to rely on the RNG to drop the scrolls you put into a binder?

    Besides, if you are broke, how many MiB's did you come up with to be fished up? I've got hundreds to do, and with each one being 10-30K gold, you won't stay broke for long...
     
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    I understand your frustration. Do some MIBs for awhile. It helps! :)
     
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    Dont give up they are out there to be had!!!
     
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    I wished you had kept a record of what type of orders got you 100 charges baits for zombie/black/stone/blue/king/golden/void because I just noticed another post where another fisherman claims to have received a 120 fishing PS from a 6-liner only having 2 types of dungeon fish (total points 240)

    - 15 hummer lobsters
    - 20 cobia
    - 20 bluefish
    - 10 Uncommon shiners
    - 20 drake fish
    - 20 tormented pike

    my complaint is that the rewards are not too well handled by the system because too often I have seen much worse fishing orders in the end bring to players much better rewards.

    That is why I wanted to compare some of the orders that brought you those baits with this one which yielded a 120 PS, to figure out whether this is yet another example of a worse order bringing in a much better reward than much better orders.

    Personally, I think that the system should always be that much better orders give much better rewards. It is upsetting, I think, for players to see others with much worse orders turned in, get a much better reward.

    I can only imagine with 7,000 baits for some types how many orders you must have done so far which means a whole lot of fishing and trapping.

    I mean, I am "only" at 2,000 baits per some types and like 40 Lava Traps which is not even 1/3 of yours and I have done in the excess of 600 fishing orders with countless days, weeks spent all on fishing and trapping.

    I even missed out all of the invasions because of the fishing so, I can imagine how much time you must have spent fishing.

    Best wishes for more luck in the future and do not disregard they idea of getting your 120 binding up lower scrolls. From the numbers you gave you are about half way and should have like 4 or 5 115s so with a little more effort you might be able to make it there if not with a drop at least binding up your 120 fishing powerscroll.
     
  7. Sellingahouse

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    Ok I sold my mibs to buy more crab/lobster. I paid for most of my fish so only spent 2 hours a day fishing at most. Here are some of the 100 bait reward quest, if you think really hard you can figure out my shorthand.
    T-V
    10 BC
    10 SC
    15 GRAY
    20 DEMON
    15 CTT
    100 ZOMBIE

    J-V
    20 RL
    20 GRAY
    15 BONE
    20 RED DR
    15 ORC
    100 BL MARLIN

    V-S
    15 BLUE
    15 RED DR
    15 BL GR
    15 RBB
    15 DARK
    20 LURKER
    100 SPRING DF

    J-B
    20 RL
    20 HL
    10 PUMP
    20 SNTB
    20 CTT
    15 CRAG
    100 BL MARLIN

    B-P
    10 HL
    10 CL
    20 AJ
    20 CAPS
    15 ORC
    20 DARK
    100 KING

    P-J
    10 MM
    10 WALL
    20 DRAKE
    15 LURKER
    100 STONE

    B-M
    20 RED GR
    20 RED DR
    20 BL GR
    15 WALL
    15 DEMON
    10 ORC
    100 STONE

    B-T
    20 GRAY
    15 YFT
    10 BONI
    10 RED GR
    15 SNTB
    15 CTT
    100 BL MARLIN

    V-P
    20 SNL
    10 BSB
    20 D CHUB
    20 GRIM
    15 LURKER
    100 KING

    M-V
    20 KC
    15 CL
    15 TARP
    15 RED SNOOK
    20 D CHUB
    15 CRAG
    100 STONE

    M-V
    10 BSB
    10 MM
    15 RAIN
    20 SNTB
    20 ORC
    20 IN TUNA
    100 GOLDEN TUNA

    M-S
    10 AJ
    15 DEMON
    20 CRAG
    20 IN TUNA
    20 T PIKE
    100 ZOMBIE

    B-J
    20 CAPE
    10 D CHUB
    20 CTT
    10 DRAKE
    20 DARK
    100 BL MARLIN

    V-B
    15 HAD
    20 COBI
    20 BONI
    10 BONE
    15 GRIM
    15 IN TUNA
    100 BL MARLIN

    M-S
    15 RL
    15 RED SNOOK
    10 SHAD
    15 BONE
    20 CTT
    20 T PIKE
    100 STONE

    J-S
    20 BC
    20 TARP
    10 BLUE
    15 BONE
    15 CTT
    20 DARK
    100 BL MARLIN

    P-J
    10 SL
    20 MM
    15 DEMON
    20 GRIM
    20 ORC
    10 T PIKE
    100 KING

    M-B
    20 SL
    20 TARP
    10 MM
    20 D CHUB
    20 ORC
    20 CRAG
    100 SPRING DF

    T-M
    15 HAD
    20 CAPE
    20 BLUE
    20 US
    20 D CHUB
    15 LURKER
    100 VOID

    P-T
    20 HAD
    10 D CHUB
    20 CTT
    10 DRAKE
    20 DARK
    100 GOLDEN TUNA

    I have always keep track of my quest. I tossed out all before the fishing patch we got last month. The last few hundred or so I kind of havent been keeping track of my rewards, kind of hard with multi quest, but i try.
     
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    Re: 36 +10 fishing scrolls later 135 Stone Crab 210 230 235



    Alright, keeping in mind that the other fellow fisherman got the 120 Fishing Powerscroll off of an order worth 240 Points, unless I made some mistakes with either the initials or summing up the points, I came up with what follows.

    Of all the 19 orders you listed, 3 of them were above the 240 Points. You had one for 280 points and 2 for 255 points. On those 3, you were certainly wronged with better orders giving you a much worse reward...

    But there is also something else with struck me.....

    You had the same reward (100 charges baits for Stone Fish) coming from 4 different orders one which was for 135 Points and the other 3 for 210, 230 and 235 Points !!!

    To my opinion, given the informations so far I have seen, something seems to be really messed up with the way rewards are handled as too often better orders end up giving worse rewards than worse orders or even the same reward is being given by different orders which are very, but very far away in their value (135 points vs. 235 !!).

    Not good, IMHO.

    Trinsic to Vesper
    10 Blue Crab
    10 Snow Crab
    15 Crag Snapper
    20 Demon Trout
    15 Cutthroat Trout
    Total Points 190 = 100 charges Bait for Zombie Fish

    Jhelom to Vesper
    20 Rock Lobster
    20 Crag Snapper
    15 Bonefish
    20 Red Drum
    15 Orc Bass
    Total Points 215 = 100 charges Bait for Blue Marlin

    Vesper to Skara Brae
    15 Bluefish
    15 Red Drum
    15 Blue Grouper
    15 Redbelly Bream
    15 Darkfish
    20 Lurker Fish
    Total Points 190 = 100 charges Bait for Spring Dragonfish

    Jhelom to Britain
    20 Rock Lobster
    20 Hummer Lobster
    10 Pumpkinseed Sunfish
    20 Snaggletooth Bass
    20 Cutthroat Trout
    15 Crag Snapper
    Total Points 255 = 100 charges Bait for Blue Marlin

    Britian to Papua
    10 Hummer Lobster
    10 Crusty Lobster
    20 Amberjack
    20 Captain Snook
    15 Orc Bass
    20 Darkfish
    Total Points 225 = 100 charges Bait for Kingfish

    Papua to Jhelom
    10 Mahi-Mahi
    10 Walleye
    20 Drake Fish
    15 Lurker Fish
    Total Points 135 = 100 charges Bait for Stone Fish

    Britain to Moonglow
    20 Red Grouper
    20 Red Drum
    20 Blue Grouper
    15 Walleye
    15 Demon Trout
    10 Orc Bass
    Total Points 210 = 100 charges Bait for Stone Fish

    Britain to Trinsic
    20 Gray Snapper
    15 Yellowfin Tuna
    10 Bonito
    10 Red Grouper
    15 Snaggletooth Bass
    15 Cutthroat Trout
    Total Points 200 = 100 charges Bait for Blue Marlin

    Vesper to Papua
    20 Shovel-Nose Lobster
    10 Black Seabass
    20 Dungeon Chub
    20 Grim Cisco
    15 Lurker Fish
    Total Points 225 = 100 charges Bait for Kingfish

    Moonglow to Vesper
    20 King Crab
    15 Crusty Lobster
    15 Tarpon
    15 Red Snook
    20 Dungeon Chub
    15 Crag Snapper
    Total Points 235 = 100 charges Bait for Stone Fish

    Moonglow to Vesper
    10 Black Seabass
    10 Mahi-Mahi
    15 Rainbow Trout
    20 Snaggletooth Bass
    20 Orc Bass
    20 Infernal Tuna
    Total Points 235 = 100 charges Bait for Golden Tuna

    Moonglow to Skara Brae
    10 Amberjack
    15 Demon Trout
    20 Crag Snapper
    20 Infernal Tuna
    20 Tormented Pike
    Total Points 235 = 100 charges Bait for Zombie Fish

    Britain to Jhelom
    20 Cape Cod
    10 Dungeon Chub
    20 Cutthroat Trout
    10 Drake Fish
    20 Darkfish
    Total Points 220 = 100 charges Bait for Blue Marlin

    Vesper to Britain
    15 Haddock
    20 Cobia
    20 Bonito
    10 Bonefish
    15 Grim Cisco
    15 Infernal Tuna
    Total Points 220 = 100 charges Bait for Blue Marlin

    Moonglow to Skara Brae
    15 Rock Lobster
    15 Red Snook
    10 Shad
    15 Bonefish
    20 Cutthroat Trout
    20 Tormented Pike
    Total Points 230 = 100 charges Bait for Stone Fish

    Jhelom to Skara Brae
    20 Blue Crab
    20 Tarpon
    10 Bluefish
    15 Bonefish
    15 Cutthroat Trout
    20 Darkfish
    Total Points 235 = 100 charges Bait for Blue Marlin

    Papua to Jhelom
    10 Spiney Lobster
    20 Mahi-Mahi
    15 Demon Trout
    20 Grim Cisco
    20 Orc Bass
    10 Tormented Pike
    Total Points 255 = 100 charges Bait for Kingfish

    Moonglow to Britain
    20 Spiney Lobster
    20 Tarpon
    10 Mahi-Mahi
    20 Dungeon Chub
    20 Orc Bass
    20 Crag Snapper
    Total Points 280 = 100 charges Bait for Spring Dragonfish

    Trinsic to Moonglow
    15 Haddock
    20 Cape Cod
    20 Bluefish
    20 Uncommon Shiner
    20 Dungeon Chub
    15 Lurker Fish
    Total Points 235 = 100 charges Bait for Void Crab

    Papua to Trinsic
    20 Haddock
    10 Dungeon Chub
    20 Cutthroat Trout
    10 Drake Fish
    20 Darkfish
    Total Points 220 = 100 charges Bait for Golden Tuna
     
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    Re: 36 +10 fishing scrolls later 135 Stone Crab 210 230 235

    Dont think it matters but it is stone fish bait not stone crab. Would any other information help you figure out the reward chart, if you havent already.
     
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    Not sure, without knowing much about how it was thought, designed and coded we are really in the dark and can only go starting with the end results to make some reason of what is going on here.

    For example, I think 240 Points is the bare minimum that 120 Fishing Powerscrolls are awarded.

    I am saying this, because so far I have yet to hear of an order below this which awarded a 120 PS.

    Besides, you had several orders very close to 240 but still below it and they yielded no 120.

    So, I assume until new informations comes up that the bare minimum to get a 120 PS is 240 points. This said, since the max possible is 360 points (a 6-liner all of 20 dungeon fish...), the one order you had for 280 points was really a very strong candidate for a 120 PS.

    At that high level, the 40 points over 240 really mean a lot and make that order you had a really good one.

    I am astonished that it yet awarded a 100 charges bait for Spring Dragonfish especially, since the same exact reward you also got it from a 190 points order.

    I mean, we have 2 different orders 135 points and 235 giving the same reward (Stone Fish) and then we have 2 other separate orders for 190 points and an incredible 280 points giving the same reward, 100 charges bait for Spring Dragonfish.

    I really think something is messed up. That 280 points order should have no doubt awarded you with a 120 PS especially since you already got the 100 charges bait for Spring Dragonfish with a mere 190 points order.....
     
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    Re: 36 +10 fishing scrolls later 135 Stone Crab 210 230 235

    This is the rarer baits i have.
    200 spring dragon fish
    300 zombie
    400 void crab
    400 golden tuna
    500 giant samurai
    600 blue marlin
    600 black marlin
    700 kingfish
    800 stonefish
     
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    Hmmm, apparently the spring dragon fish bait is considered a rare one by the game engine since you have been given it only 2 times (100 charges times 2...).

    But then, if it is a rare occurrancy, this could explain why you got it for the 280 points order but NOT why you also got it for the 190 points order.....

    Whichever logic I try to approach to figure out the way that the system is handled, I find it messed up...

    Besides, why on earth would spring dragon fish baits be considered so much rare ?

    I mean, this rare fish can only be used for Trophies, not for magic pies buffs....

    Yet, the game engine sees spring dragon fish baits as a rarer drop than a 120 fishing PS as if such a trophy would be of a higher value than a 120 fishing powerscroll ?

    Excuse me ?

    And this still does not explain why on earth something so rare to need a 280 points order to be awarded is then also delivered by a mere 190 points one.......

    I can't help thinking how it is all messed up........
     
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    Re: 36 +10 fishing scrolls later 135 Stone Crab 210 230 235

    I wouldn't call the Spring Dragon fish the rarest out of that, Very small sample size.
     
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    Understandable point of view but we also need to consider that these are high end rewards, the very top end rewards and so, there ain't many of them around to gather a larger sample......

    Besides, we do know as a fact that a 100 charges bait for a Spring Dragonfish was awarded off of a whopping 280 points order.

    If such a high end order gives such a reward this means to me (or should mean.....) that the game itself sees this particular item as a hell of a rarity and valuable reward....

    Why would anyone want to get a 120 fishing powerscroll as a reward for a 280 points fishing order ? A 100 charges bait for a Spring Dragonfish that can only be used to make a Trophy (and which a simple 190 points order also can bring home...) sounds a much better and more valuable reward.......
    /sarcasm

    Go figure........
     
  15. Gowron

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    I'd like to see those point values that are being assigned. Those orders don't seem to be fully high end.
     
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    Values where indicated by Mark of Mythic in a post time ago.

    Shallow Water fish count 1 point each
    Deep Water fish and named crabs/lobsters count 2 points each
    Dungeon fish count 3 points each.

    He also answered to the query that named crabs/lobsters were bugged and not counting for 2 points and said they were, this was checked, is my understanding.
     
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    it is still not fixed ...
    those who keep track of thier quests can prove this ...
    crabs still count as 0.5

    But after the way the devs have kinda insulted the fishing community, by tossing in a few more PS, and barely touch all rest of the broken stuff, thinking that would shut us all up ...
    Not responding to concerns and in live chat not even knowing what was going on after multiple threads explaining this (in one which he even bothered to post and answer but never followed up on).

    I mean he still thinks the baits are the treats of the whole fishing quests cause with this we can make the uber fishing pies, that not many can sell if thier life depended on it ....

    I honestely cannot be arsed anymore to explain.

    Pardon my french ...
     
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    For a deep water fish quest (20 fish) i get 20 charges bait. For a crab quest (20 crabs) i get 10 charge bait. How can they even "confirm" that both give 2 points each when the rewards clearly point out that crabs and lobsters still count only half ...
     
  19. Gowron

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    Thanks for the reply popps, however, I'm still experiencing that the crabs/lobsters are only getting 0.5 points. I'd recommend counting as such, until things are actually working as intended...
     
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    Re: 36 +10 fishing scrolls later 135 Stone Crab 210 230 235

    Popps, I've gone through the list you provided and changed the points to reflect 0.5 for named crabs/lobsters and 1 point for regular named fish. I've kept the 3 points for dungeon fish as I still need to take record of my rewards from turn in...

    How much do these numbers change the equation?
     
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    Re: 36 +10 fishing scrolls later 135 Stone Crab 210 230 235


    Well, the fishing order which I was relating to was

    - 15 Hummer Lobsters
    - 20 Cobia
    - 20 Bluefish
    - 10 Uncommon Shiner
    - 20 Drake Fish
    - 20 Tormented Pike

    I calculated the total points as per Mark of Mythic information :

    - 15 Hummer Lobsters = 30 points (2 per)
    - 20 Cobia = 40 points (2 per)
    - 20 Bluefish = 40 points (2 per)
    - 10 Uncommon Shiner = 10 points (1 per)
    - 20 Drake Fish = 60 points (3 per)
    - 20 Tormented Pike = 60 points (3 per)

    Total comes 30 + 40 + 40 + 10 + 60 + 60 = 240 Points

    This awarded a 120 Fishing Powerscroll.

    Now, changing the points as you said, we get :

    - 15 Hummer Lobsters = 7.5 points (0.5 per)
    - 20 Cobia = 20 points (1 per)
    - 20 Bluefish = 20 points (1 per)
    - 10 Uncommon Shiner = 10 points (1 per)
    - 20 Drake Fish = 60 points (3 per)
    - 20 Tormented Pike = 60 points (3 per)

    Total comes 7.5 + 20 + 20 + 10 + 60 + 60 = 177.5 Points

    "If" that is the actual points that the game engine calcolated as meritable to award a 120 Fishing Powerscroll, moreso any fishing order above it should award a 120 Fishing Powerscroll.

    With the numbers corrected according to your hypothesys, Sellingahouse would have had 8 orders better than 177.5 total point value with a best one at 235 points (the other analysis considered 3 better orders).
    For all of these 8 orders Sellingahouse was wronged not receiving a 120 Fishing scroll (8 better orders gave much worse reward, the bait, than a much worse order.....).
     
  22. soulstoner

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    Basing the equation for bait charges rewarded currently (in my Atlantic world):

    {0.5 x [summed crated value]= q bait charges received}
    applying 1 point each to the named crabs & lobsters.​

    makes me sad to give up my hard shells if they are not being counted as intended :(
    *ponders* maybe the Atlantic fish mongers are skimming off the top/scamming :lol:
     
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    Using Bait rewards as reference is it still:

    Crabs 0.5
    Shore 0.5
    Deepsea 1.0
    Dungeon 1.5
     
  24. soulstoner

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    Right. How ever the 0.5 is applied to Mark's value assignments below, the lobster and crabs are not functioning properly in the simple computations with our current assumptions factoring in the bait reward quantities. :confused:

    While we're quoting the devs' tidbits:

     
  25. vvvaaannn

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    I am the one with the +20 scroll off the listed quest. I suspect everyone is misintepreting how the system works. I "suspect" that as the "weight" increases it "unlocks" the possibility for better and better rewards, but DOES NOT dictate any particular reward in and of itself. (BTW, I also think this is exactly how the system works for whether or not you get a rare fish) In other words, at quest of X weight (one that meets the manditory minimum) for a given reward tier (I suspect that the +20 is in the same tier as the rarest baits) the +20 is merely added to the list of possible rewards, and then you are at the mercy of the RNG. I base this upon my own observations, along with the numerous posted results of other fisherman outlining some the results of a "good" quest generating a "poor" reward. I can think of MANY decent quests that generated the "lowest" level rewards (i.e book of more damn yellowtail bait). On another topic, does anyone care to post the contents of the level 5 and 6 books? Best of luck to all with the vageries of the RNG.
     
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    Well I knew I couldnt quit, hoping next one was it. Yesterday I did quest and got 5 more +10s and one +5.