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3rd party apps

Discussion in 'UHall' started by longshanks, Jun 1, 2010.

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  1. longshanks

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    do we have an update on this. looks like the same people doing the same things from what i see :/
     
  2. Black Sun

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    I assume you mean an update on 3rd party app detection?
     
  3. longshanks

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    exactly what i mean. yes.
     
  4. Mapper

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    I said this in another thread and is just my opinion:

    I think they are just collecting data on who uses 3rd party programs and will then decide what to do next with the data they get. E.G if they find out 50% use them they may have to change their plans of banning them all. (If that was their plan)
     
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    Until people start getting thrown in jail or perma banned, you are going to have people continue using their special "skills". I would have thought that they would have given a weeks worth of warnings to people that were caught and then start tossing them in jail after that, but so far I haven't seen or hear of anyone saying they "know someone" who was caught via the 3rd party detection program.
     
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    but they don't need to even go that far. just log them out after 30 seconds of detection, wherever they happen to be.
     
  7. Mapper

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    They might as well ban them, If your going to log them out, they can't script so if they have 10 accounts full of miners, they aren't going to keep them active are they.

    They'll either cut down to 2-3 accounts to actually play the game, Or if they feel they cannot continue playing UO without scripts they'll quit completely.

    I just hope the percentage of scripters is low, I'd hate to see EA shooting themselves in the foot by banning half the number of accounts.
     
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    hmmm good points. but for people who use speeder and other fighting enhancing items, log em out five seconds after they attack someone/thing.
     
  9. Winker

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    When the luna search bots stop working, then you know the 3rd party detection has kicked in. Its just a shame EA could not be so kind as to give us such a tool within the game.
     
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    for those that don't know , what is a luna search bot ?
     
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    agree 100% on both accounts! :thumbup:
     
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    The worst one are not the one gathering resource, I find that the PvP is the one annoying the most. Specially when a guy on foot can walk faster then me mounted or even walk through monster. I my journey, I only seen a few miner and most of the time is always the same one. What ppl can do with million of orc that one can do with Hundred of then. Speed hacker have rune my day more often then the miner does. That my opinion.
     
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    I remember them saying something about "repeat offenders", so i took from that they will probably give out 24 hour bans or just a few hours so there scripts stop working and when you have like 10 small bans (= repeate offender) you'll get perma banned.

    I think they will also check on the person first (e.g talk to them or dc them) as many people use them but not afk and i think its the afk people they wana stop on the whole as there the ones farm 24 hours a day solid and destroying the economy.

    Thunderz
     
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    luna search bots are a type of script that let a character scan EVERY vendor in Luna, in a complex way puts it in easy to understand layout for us non-technical people on a website that is updated constantly. Now when you want to find the lowest price for a Tangle or searching for that uber weapon with specific mods you just go to the website, pick your shard, and put in your search criteria, and bam it shows you all results, prices, the vendor house and location of vendor within that house in Luna.

    The website is a great tool for everyone as it keeps the market competitive while keeping prices stable. And of course makes shopping for hard to get items easier.
     
  15. Black Sun

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    Not directed at you cdavbar, just continuing your thought.

    While the sites are convenient and do have some positive benefits, they are created and maintained by using scripts deemed illegal by EA, and therefore are not able to be mentioned here.
     
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    To Quote you, Nothing against you, but sigil dyed items were ilegal at one point just as they were purple!! It wasnt a game mechanical advantage you just looked pimp back them.

    Its the same with the people who run the search sites, there not speed hackers there just providing a service that makes shopping easier for the minority, who cant afford to just buy it at the luna price they see of 200mill (when its probably for sale for 20 on another) as they cant run around luna "every day" checking every 1000 vendors prices finding the lowest as they dont have the time to play that much but still enjoy playing.

    Not like the script fameres do selling 1000 gems for 20mill a day make silly money.

    The site owners provide a service an in return "hope" i enfisize "HOPE" if that player does wana buy gold they will buy it from them as they have soooo much already (and that wont change by taking out scripting as they made it in all the previous dupes).

    Thunderz
     
  17. longshanks

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    aside from the vendor issue, what amazes me is that people are continuing to do the same old thing despite this being in the pipeline.

    Someone in my guild chat mentioned that they heard this would be flag based, meaning you would flag on the suspect and than it would be investigated. I would much rather prefer an automated system where by said offender gets locked out and from what I gather is exactly what happens in other games.

    Personally I don't care how many accounts it bans. I would like to believe that the bulk of the UO population is honest as is the case in everyday society.

    Also for the life of me I don't get how people get away with dropping constant F bombs in global chat. This seems a much simpler fix than the 3rd party issue.
     
  18. Black Sun

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    I think if they start banning accounts for cheating the influx of returning people would offset it by quite a bit.
     
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    Does the filter work with global chat?
     
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    I'd really like to hope thats the case, But considering scripters are likely to have 10-20 accounts. It would take ALOT of returning players to offset. My view? Not likely. :(
     
  21. There aren't enough players to offset it enough.
     
  22. *Searches Google: how many accounts do Ultima Online scripters have?*

    Dang... not one single, useful answer in "About 2,750,000 results" from Google. Where do you get your facts?
     
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    Most scripters don't actually pay for those accounts and if they do they are using stolen credit cards which is a whole other issue, so the lose to EA should be minimal.
     
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    I know so many people that have left UO due to the cheating, I think we'd all be surprised how many people would love to return to a cheat free UO.

    Either way UO will be 100 times better without all the cheaters who have ruined this otherwise unique, groundbreaking game for so long.
     
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    Scripters are thieves in RL too? Really? LOL

    They aren't solid, But if you take half of the users from the popular scripting program (assuming half are still active) then assume each have 5-10 accounts it's quite a number.

    No one knows the percentage and I doubt EA will ever tell it, But the assumptions I've made are my view, no where did I say they were fact.
     
  26. DHMagicMan_1

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    Banning them is better than logging them out. Whatever resources and gold are on the accounts can just get flushed when discovered... otherwise people would consolodate resources and gold and keep selling them.
     
  27. Lord Chaos

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    lol? What society do you live in? One on another planet?
     
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    Hopefully EA takes into account that not everyone uses scripts all the time, some just use them at convenient times. (loot scripts, training scripts, or whatnot)

    Also there'd be the issue of those who script who have friends who might quit if their friends quit even if legit.

    If they already enabled detection, that might explain why the client is more ressource demanding and crashprone.
     
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    Its the same old crap on GL in reguards to speedhacking. I just had one of the usual trash archers skip past me while i was being ganked. Getting moving shotted and having a guy gain ground on me while i get caught on tombstones and he runs right thru em is just stupid. More BS from EA as they have still yet to do a single thing about the speedhacking. I really doubt they will. They screwed this game over too much already with thier inaction and incompetence. Yet more lies and failed promises from EA, the trashiest game company out there.
     
  30. Lord Chaos

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    Just as a note on the running through things, the way UO communicates sometimes makes it look like a character is running where it isn't actually running, like a square besides where it actually is. Thats what sometimes happen when it seems like people are running through things, its just a client illusion.

    That doesn't exclude that there are real hacks out there.
     
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    While you're detecting 3rd party apps how about changing the client so everyone can run through boxes/tombstones and random twigs?
     
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    Couldn't agree more. *claps*
     
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    there will be no offset of returning players. There will be the end of UO due to a massive and i mean massive drop in subscriptions
     
  34. UOKaiser

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    Lol.Theres facts,theres assumed facts and then theres exagirations. This one is a super exagiration. I better watch out for the pks of UO when I head to the store don't want to get on the channel 11 news killed for my health insurance :)
     
  35. UOKaiser

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    Wish I could agree with you there but there is much more facts against it. Calculating the reasons people originaly left UO=duping,speedhacking,aos,pub16,better games,recession,grew up,tax added on,ea customer support,ban for no reason,freeshards,too much money compare for the same price of a up to date game,lost of friends,lost of items,lost of challenge,boredom,job,disagreement,etc..
    compared to the amount of scripters there are. Not speedhackers as thats different there aint that many pvp players out there anyway so speedhackers only compose of that minority. Speedhacking doesn't really have any use in trammel activities and pvm except when the monster it self speedhacks sigh..
    Just the sheer number i know that still play and there accounts there is no way there will be enough players coming back to ofset the accounts lost with Just the numbers im familiar with let alone whole uo wide.
    It's one of those things that you would need God's intervention to help out with. People will have hope and pray that if they jump of the empire state building they can land on the bottom safely but the facts and gravity are against them so they will need a miracle.
     
  36. Bman

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    Look at it like this though...

    There are only a few people at EA trying to stop the scripts/scripters/illegal programs that are being ran on UO... There are a lot (emphasis on A LOT) of programmers that play this game and many other games that get their kicks out of writing programs that cant be detected... the programs will always be there because someone is always going to write a program in a way that it cant be deteted. There are too many Good programmers out there that can and will find a loophold and a way around what ever EA puts in place.. EA doesnt have the time and resources to stay on top of this, it might work for a few weeks but in the end the guy sitting at his desk at work writing programs on his time is going to be the one that finds a way around it and before long that program is passsed right on down the chain and EA will be right back at point A.
     
  37. A typical rage from Denard after he gets owned.

    Is this where u come to vent? Ha
     
  38. GL_Seller

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    Everyone please go to uopvp.net to see how this post by hypnotic is a damn joke. He even started a new thread there just because he played legit for about 20 minutes. Congrats champ you are the man. I wish I could make a thread for every 20 minutes I played uo Legitly.
     
  39. Myna

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    yea, and pks are murderers in real too ... EA should stop that too :lol:
     
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    I don't know if this is the case in this situation, but there are no tombstones in the enhanced client, and you just run right through the squares that have them in the classic client. They should either be removed from the classic client, or added to the enhanced client.
     
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    Yeah, i have been called a speeder/hacker all because I use the enhanced client.

    Ive tried to tell the other PvP players that there are no tombstones in EC but falls on deaf ears and.

    Because of this I cant be bothered to PvP until I know 3rd party dection is on and I can happily run around on my EC client without the fear of being called everyname under the sun
     
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    I've faced the same thing, but I don't let it get to me. It doesn't matter what you do, or even whether you win or lose, someone is going to call you a cheater. And even if 3rd party cheat detection is a complete success, it isn't going to change that. I know who my friends are, and I know who I can trust and who I can't, and I just do my thing. I'm not going to let trash talk and accusations ruin my fun.
     
  43. Lies and more lies, trying to justify cheating. Period. Black and White.

    First of all, EVERYONE agreed not to use those illegal applications when they signed up for a UO account, free or paid. Any person using any illegal (read unapproved) 3rd party application lied to EA/Mythic. You are cheating.

    If you lied when you signed up for the UO account, I have no reason to believe that you aren't lying now and using these illegal 3rd party apps to stump hack, dupe, chug potions, fast loot, speed walk, AND gather resources illegally. One lie just leads to another. I do not believe in some cheaters code that "I only cheat to gather resources, and it doesn't affect anyone else." Cheating affects everyone in the game, but you are just going to justify whatever actions you take.

    All lies, and once you start where does it end? I'll miss the vendor search engine, but it is well worth giving up to remove the cheats from the game. ALL cheats.
     
  44. maroite

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    bahaha I like this idea. Program Detected, boot them to log in for a minute so they're helpless in PvP.

    They'll get the point.
     
  45. lucksi2

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    So, you have no problem using a site that you know uses 3rd party apps to be running. You can´t be bothered to do the manual searching and price comparison because it´s a pain in the behind. You using the site impacts on the players who sell more expensive goods because otherwise you would simply buy these when you find the item you are looking for after hours of searching.

    Yes, you are in no way a cheater yourself, eh? rolleyes:

    Funny how that goes.
     
  46. Whatever dude... I have gone through hours of searches to find what I need, and yes I do use the search engine. But, like I said, I would gladly do without that convenience to get rid of all the cheats. If this is the best argument you can come up with to keep your cheats, you really don't have very sound reasoning. Can't you do better?
     
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    So you yourself lied to EA...gotcha.

    I think people like you have a name...starts with Hy...hmmm...what was it....oh yeah, hypocrite.

    Oh and by your own admission, since you lied to EA, then you have no problem speedhacking, duping, scripting, etc. I guess you kinda caught yourself right there.

    Checkmate dude.
     
  48. Not really, no checkmate here... I admit my faults, don't have a problem with that. But you will do anything to justify cheating. That's not what I said and you are purposely taking them out of context. I do have a problem with all those illegal programs and am saying get rid of them.

    You have not come up with a good reason to keep them, other than pointing fingers at everyone else. You can't seem to make a sensible argument, anywhere on any topic. Try to make sense just once... I dare you.
     
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    Biggest B S ever written on stratics....

    I mean, Beeeeeeeeee eeeessssssSSSS
     
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    Now, all these asumptions..... Could it be that they left because most gamers do not stick to one game for life? Lots of people stayed because they were able to script... same argument... why do you think that you know from behind your keyboard what other people think? More BBBBBBBBBBBBB SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS...
     
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