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A matter of perspective: Felucca Profit

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Prince Caspian, Jan 12, 2009.

  1. I got whacked last night by a RED :O

    I lost 9k in insurance money!!!

    But I did make 70k in the hour previous camping undisturbed in lucrative spawn sites and getting oceans of silver that I sell like crazy off my vendor...

    I actually figured that in Felucca I make 3x more than I make on the other facets on most excursions, and I die a damn sight less.

    I also figured out of the last 15 times I was in Felucca, this was the first time I was PKed, after an estimated 40 or so hours combined.

    Food for thought....
     
  2. Smokin

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    yeah and now you have to find a new spot.
     
  3. ColterDC

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    Damn..... you got alot of things insured.
     
  4. Maplestone

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    *taste id on the food*
     
  5. WarUltima

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    see fel isnt that bad is it? if you can conquer the feeling of frustration being pked and die its actually a great land. the land where all started.

    given that majority of the players prefer trammie ruleset so they dont have to worry about pks caused fel to become land of death. Personal experience... there are just as many punks on tram if not more. And theres no counter to all the griefing actions from punk high school kiddies who's full of themselves that also happens to be too scared to go to the land where their stupid actions might be justified. By that i mean something like a citizen arrest and not sitting in luna for hours to receive a canned message that wont help at all.
     
  6. I made foot stools for an hour last night...

    I made over 200 footstools in an hour, got two inscriptions tokens, and one runic saw. Sold the one token for 500K, the second for 250K and the saw for 4 mil. And I didn't get PK'd or lose any insurance.

    What was your point?
     
  7. Dermott of LS

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    I've mined in Fel for well over a year now without any attempt from another player in attacking my miner and have mined up a TON of ingots and gems (and now ingots gems and stone) at no risk whatsoever... and that's as a more Tram-based player.
     
  8. BloodstoneGL

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    Sill trammy's. The only reds that actually look for PvMer's to kill are either (a)bored to tears cause they can't find a fight anywhere. Or (b)they suck at PvP and don't want a real fight, just the thrill of the kill.

    PvPers are looking for fights, fighting over champ spawns, busting up Yew gate, doing factions etc..... I haven't been to any hunting grounds with my red since UO:R.
     
  9. Which is why I like the silly blessed items from New Haven - nothing to lose, and for mid level monster bashing it works fine. (with any arties I am using either being blessed naturally or with a pbd - no insurance money to lose :p)
     
  10. shanshu

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    Okay, I am going to try and explain why I do not go to Fel. It has nothing to do with losing items or insurance money. It has everything to do with dealing with a type of player who takes joy in fighting other players. I do not subscribe to this type of game play.

    I do not take pleasure in fighting against or running from another player. I also don't take pleasure in role playing or crafting, which have nothing to do with PvP or PKing. The only similarity is that they are all styles of play that do not appeal to me.

    A lot of the time, I find that the majority of pro-Fel posts are geared towards supporting the argument that OP provided us. Have you ever looked at it from another point of view?

    Some more food for thought.
     
  11. Clog|Mordain

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    Go to WoW then.
     
  12. Dermott of LS

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    I agree with you on the personality issues, which is generally whi I also do not PvP, however as it is, I don't run into anyone anyway in Fel, so it's pretty much a non-issue... might as well "exploit" the double resources while I can (note that "exploit" is in quotes to denote the non-breaking-the-rules-of-UO aspect of the word).
     
  13. Maplestone

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    I think that if there is one line we don't cross in all our flamewars, I think it should be that we do not tell people to quit or cheer their departure.
     
  14. shanshu

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    Well Clog|Mordain, I don't see what going to WoW has anything to do with this conversation. I don't need to go anywhere. So many people agreed with me, that they created a new rule set for the game all those years ago. So many people feel the way I do that you can run through the cities and dungeons of Fel for weeks without running into anyone. No, I don't need to go anywhere else, I'm fine.
     
  15. Duskofdead

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    All my crafters work in Fel. Not only is it hard to turn down the double resources (walk two screens to get full loads of ore rather than like 6 in Trammel..) but the skill gain seems to be better as well.

    I have been killed, but honestly, your likelihood in a given hour of running into ANY player, let alone a PK, is pretty low. You will get killed if you do crafter stuff there, it's just a matter of time, but the paydirt is worth it in the time savings honestly.
     
  16. slayer888

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    I got a question:-

    Will you mine double gems also in Felucca other than ores or stones?
     
  17. If I understand this correctly, getting gems while mining is a random occurrence and percentage is the same for both felucca and trammel. It would take a LOT of testing to prove otherwise, though.
     
  18. Flutter

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    If you lost 9K in insurance you are carrying way too much stuff around with ya.
    Also you must be in factions if you are getting silver, and since you lose less insurance when you're in factions.... well damn how much stuff are you carrying around insured? Holy Hell!
     
  19. Who said I had one? :p

    Erm, ok I guess it was a damn sight less than 9k. But in any event, I'm not trying to "trick" people by enticing them how great Fel is... because if I were to do so, my only motive (ONLY motive) by the opinions around here is to set up easy PK marks for myself.

    Again, in 10 years of Ultima Online, I have never attacked a blue. Not once.

    And I happen to despise PKs. But I am for Felucca. A person can hate sharks but still love the ocean, you know.
     
  20. TheScoundrelRico

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    You should give it a try. Talk about a rush...lol...la
     
  21. Mistura

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    Amazing GPs to be made farming silver at the moment ! And you get the added thrill of a possible fight if a red appears.

    Example: This morning I had amassed 5k of silver or so and a red appeared randomly. I sprinted a screen away as the red archer attacked, i recalled out. Very quickly dumped my silver in a secure and immediately returned to the location where I found the same pk still lurking. I allowed him to chase me a couple of screens before disarming him with my axe and unleashing a can of whoopass. Within a short space of time I had him redlined.

    Unfortunately, I didn't complete the kill as he bolted, but it was an exciting encounter and thats what fel is all about!
     
  22. hawkeye_pike

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    Well, all you're saying is that 95% of Felucca is deserted. The other 5% are ruled mostly by punks (there are exceptions).

    • I can utilize 95% of Felucca without any risk (which I find boring), and those 95% do not contain anything I cannot get in Trammel.
    • I cannot visit the other 5% of Felucca at all, cause they're controlled by large PK guilds or cheaters (please forgive my paradigm here). Unfortunately, those 5% Felucca content is mostly why people need to go to Felucca at all (powerscrolls).
     
  23. Duskofdead

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    You got it dead-on.

    I do not go to Felucca to "contribute to its community", or be part of it, or any such. As far as I have observed or can see, there is no community. It is just a launch pad for PK'ing and Yew PvP and sociopaths prowling around looking for the random crafter to murder, and then camp the nearby healers to kill again. The double resources haven't made Fel a revitalized player community in all these years and it's not going to start now.

    I go in, get my resources, get crafting skill gain, and go back to Tram. On the rare (maybe once in six days) occasion that a red happens to pass through as I am heading back into town, or am otherwise "out in the open", and kills me, he gets a cheap, effortless thrill and can go back to killing small animals or eating hotpockets or whatever. That's not someone I'll be chumming around with at the bank and have no interest in trying. Back to Tram after I get what I need. ;)
     
  24. In 10 years of playing Ultima Online, when I encountered a red name whom I did not know personally, I can count on one hand when they didn't commence attacking me at once. And that is not a hyperbole.

    So I run into case a and b 100% of the time apparently.
     
  25. FatMagic

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    I've been working on Cartography in Felucca in Moonglow, and got whacked by a Red right in town (I didn't realize the Guards don't defend anymore). I was a bit peeved, but then pleasantly surprised to find that he left everything on my body... didn't even take the 500gp I had. Made me realize that there is an unwritten code of honor and/or respect even among Reds!

    I'll be spending more time in Felucca I think!
     
  26. The days when a PK would get anything meaningful off of you are long gone. But I disagree. There's nothing honorable about nonconsentual PKing. Just pathetic asswipes wanting to lord power over other players, the same top reason PKs attacked people back in the day.
     
  27. Duskofdead

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    This is precisely the same situation for me. I can think of 1 or 2 instances (and I'm even pulling on my memories back in the '97 to '02 era) where a red did not attack me on site, or some other easy kill on screen.

    I find it somewhat amusing that people bend over backwards to "explain" all the various, myriad "non-PK" reasons people might make a red character. I think the overwhelming majority of players who have a red character know EXACTLY what they're doing, and didn't get red on accident or from being nice to non-threatening players.
     
  28. Duskofdead

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    Um. I think it's more likely he was never after the loot at all (most Fel players are used to finding nothing but some bandages and empty bottles on a corpse, due to item insurance) or what you had on you was not worth his time to carry around or loot. I think you vastly overestimate his sentiments in leaving your gear alone. Maybe he was in too much of a hurry speeding off to the healer building to try to get you again after you rezzed to worry about 500gp on your corpse.
     
  29. FatMagic

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    Hmm didn't think about it that way. I think that makes more sense... and sucks if it's true. Ah well. I'll still try carefully foraying into Felucca now and again.
     
  30. slavoie

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    Based on your statement about this person real life personality based on their actions in game, you could ascribe several possible scenario to you or anybody else for that matter. You did mean their real life personallity cause there are no hotpockets in game.

    If you have ever looked at porn, then one could assume, you are a sexual deviant, and a potential risk to society.

    If you have ever taken something without permission, you could be a bank robber.

    If you have ever pushed someone down and hurt them, you could be a murderer.

    You should be very careful not to mix up what happens in a game as to what people are like in real life.
     
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    Alot of people (myself included) have a red char for the sole purpose of defending a champ spawn. Because if your not read your withers and fields dont hit blues.
     
  32. slavoie

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    Ocllo still has guards, as well as Serpants Hold, Papua, and Delucia, got to run through no guard to get to Pap, and Del though.
     
  33. Duskofdead

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    I can infer nothing more or less about someone than how they choose to treat me and others in-game. Especially when they show no inclination to communicate whatsoever. If someone's choice is to pursue an antisocial, unprovoked violent interaction with other players on sight (even a crafter at the Skara bank, or whatever) with zero communication, any negative inferences about what kind of personality is controlling the character is the murderer's fault.... not the victim's. ;)

    That aside... it being largely irrelevant to the discussion... the actual POINT was, not only is sticking around Fel to be part of any sort of "community" with players like this undesirable in every regard, I do not believe it's even possible. It's like proposing being friends or riding the bus to work every morning with Michael Myers or Jason Vorhees or any other horror film killer who will not speak and merely tries to kill people on sight.

    And people wonder why Fel is abandoned. Regardless of the material benefits to being there or any other incentives they provide.
     
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    Variety scares me as well.

    :grouphug:
     
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    Wow. I've never met someone with such a warped sense of reality. What is wrong with you?

    So you are comparing a murderer character, in a VIDEO GAME, to Michael Myers and Jason Vorhees?? A red gains profit by looting and insurance gold. A red can't go to doom, or sit there and farm and mine, like you. I am assuming you went to fel once, died to a red, and now you have a venddeta against all people who choose a different play style than you.
    Not in years have I went searching for a blue miner to kill. I used to, because I wanted your ingots. If you didn't have any, I would rez you and move along.
    Now adays I only play to fight other willing participants, since loot garnished is hardly worth anything anymore. If I am fighting someone one vs one, and defeat them, I say "good fight" and ressurect them. If they want to fight another round, we go again.
    Oh but wait I forgot all reds are degenerate, Michael-Myers types who are anti-social. There is no chance that 95% of that actually enjoy PvP, and will do it respectively. No, according to you (for someone who actually stated you don't go to fel, you sure have a wide perspective of what everyone there is like!) we are all out searching for miners to PK.

    Get over yourself and stop making blanket statements in situations where you have no idea what you are talking about. Fel is abandoned?? Then why are some of the biggest guilds PvP guilds, and why is Despise on Atlantic being done almost all day? But you wouldn't know, like you said, you don't go to fel, so stop pretending like you do.
     
  36. slavoie

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    Mabye you should move into Ultima Online since you clearly can not tell the differance between what someone does in a digital playground and what happens outside your door.
     
  37. Duskofdead

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    I could say "I have never met someone so incapable of following a point", but actually, that wouldn't be true.

    As far as concerns players who refuse to communicate, and simply attack you on sight, yes, they might as well be Michael Myers or Jason Vorhees in game in terms of the viability of "hanging around Fel and being part of a social community with these players." Someone earlier in the thread mentioned about how even the resource gains and such which can be acquired in Fel never brought together a Fel community again outside of PvP. If you'd actually followed the train of points instead of merely leaping to a dramatic conclusion that I was saying all players with a red character are sociopaths offline, which I never claimed whatsoever, you wouldn't have had this misunderstanding. I said that in terms of trying to actually socialize or "live" in Felucca, aside from merely gathering my resources and then chugging back to Trammel, it is not possible with people who Pk you on sight, no provocation, no communication. The idea of staying in Felucca on any "ongoing" basis other than to collect mats and run, and rubbing shoulders with these people who have no interest in any interaction other than killing you (not even speaking to you), is like trying to be friends with Jason Vorhees or Michael Myers. If you still have a problem with that statement, it is your own lack of reading comprehension.

    What does this have to do with anything I said, whatsoever? What does this have to do with a player who refuses any form of communication and simply attacks you on sight? If a player acts that way, I have to treat them as an extremely dangerous monster, essentially. Because for all game purposes that is what they are to me if they simply fly at me to kill me the moment they see me.

    I hear this trite little anecdote from so-called PvP'ers, reds and PK's over and over and over. You would think there had never been a PK who killed someone innocent, and you'd also think every PK was a nice noble guy living by a code where he'd offer his victims a rezz and a pat on the back afterwards. If that had been at all representational of how PK behavior works in Felucca, either in the past or today, I doubt we'd have Trammel. So either a lot of you lie or tell euphemistic versions of your own behaviors, or you simply are the mild minority out of a group of players who engaged in usually much more vile PK behaviors.

    And because you don't have a choice, since only if you're really lucky and camping areas in the middle of nowhere for hours at a time, you won't catch players like me who are there to gather resources quietly and retreat. Everyone else stays in Tram.

    Again, so what? Even if you're telling the truth, and we take everyone who gives this same story about how noble of a red they are at face value, there are still clearly so many other people NOT behaving this "nobly" that your little anecdotes fail to change the overall picture of what happens in Fel.

    I wouldn't go there if I were you. You misunderstood most of my points and then proceeded to give me a bunch of irrelevant information about how you claim you conduct PvP activity. Which is entirely irrelevant in regards to stories about how a lot of people-- most players who've gone to Fel, probably, have stories about being instantly attacked, without provocation, by the first red player they came across. Or at least have had that experience here and there enough to not want to hang around Fel and make it a "home."

    I spend quite a lot of time in Fel, but strictly for crafting and gathering purposes. I do zip into town to smelt or buy some extra tools on occasion but these are almost invariably deserted. The times I've seen other players outside of Fel Yew (which I can count on ... mm... three hands probably), the ones who were red immediately flew at me and killed me.

    So, it's a nice (albeit irrelevant) fairy tale to believe in reds like you. But you are either so few in number or so inactive or so well behaved that you are not the representation of red players in Fel.
     
  38. Omnius

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    Harsh words considering how the most hardcore and longest lasting rp guilds(real ones not just thee and thou newbs) have engaged in pvp.
     
  39. And if you would have noticed, the word I used was PK and not PvP.

    Chasing down miners with a character that cannot possibly lose the fight is not PvP. That's smashing another player for the sheer joy of being a pain in the ass to somebody you don't know.

    PKs are interested in the fight, people say. Well all I can say to that is that is sure as hell not evidenced by PKs pursuing newbies and miners who don't have a snowballs chance of even scratching the PK in return.

    If PKs really were about the challenge of a PvP fight, they'd let such easy prey go. But they always seem to especially delight in the bully encounters.
     
  40. Vandetta

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    Wow that sounds so boring. If I was ever to do this I might have to kill myself.
    Better that You don't come though. Someone who is excited over this should not come to Fel. It might be a bit to much for you.
     
  41. Azmira Zalof

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    It's not uncommon for pvp dexxers to bank you more than 10k in insurance. I believe my archer/macer is worth about 12k, and I've killed a few tamers dexxers that easily cleared 15k per death.

    I carry:
    A full suit, 5 bows, 6 macing weapons, 3 talismans, 2 pet balls, an extra sets of jewelry, teleport and invis sashes/cloaks, and a pair of arcane boots.
     
  42. Black Sun

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    "You're going to find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view."


    While I can say why Fel would be more profitable than Tram, I can guess why you die less in Fel. In my experiance, knowing that I can't just run through a mob to escape in Fel like I can in Tram makes me a little more cautious when hunting there. Hence I take less foolish risks, and die less. I don't think I've been PK'd in years.