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A new version of UO in development? (China)

Discussion in 'UHall' started by In Flames, Oct 11, 2011.

  1. In Flames

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    http://bit.ly/p0eLCE (link shortened because of censor fail for the combined words of Market and Watch)

    The company is china based but I wonder what that means for UO still.
     
  2. Trebr Drab

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    It's old news, and probably doesn't mean anything.
     
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    The Chinese and Japanese markets have always been kind to the Ultima Franchise. It'd be great if they were working on either a new client or even a new game. Maybe that would counteract the stagnation we're seeing over here in NA.
     
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    LMAO nonsense. The same poster thinks the former producer did a great job in the last 2 years. Anyone who thinks losing 1/2 your customers in a 2 year period is a great job, is in lalaland.
     
  6. Tina Small

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    While the agreement between EA and NetDragon Websoft to develop a new version of Ultima Online does indeed date back to July 2009, I don't think it has died. I just think EA is minimizing any mention of the agreement because of a possible backlash from customers and investors for dumping employees in North America in favor of farming out development work to a company located in China.

    If you go to NetDragon Websoft's website in English for current and potential investors (they are a publicly traded company listed on the Hong Kong Stock Exchange), you will find 47 press releases (12 from 2009, 21 from 2010, and 14 so far in 2011) that all include a statement indicating that one of the online games NetDragon Websoft currently has in development is a "new version of Ultima Online." You will also find five full-blown financial reports (two from 2009, two from 2010, and one for the first half of 2011) that also mention that they are working with EA to develop a new version of Ultima Online. (The most extensive information is in the final report for 2009.)

    Investor Relations Home--ir.netdragon.com

    It seems to me that there could be some serious repercussions for NetDragon from Chinese regulatory authorities if the company had actually stopped working on development of UO and yet continued to say otherwise in reports designed to be read by investors. And it would seem likely that EA might also ask them to discontinue making such statements in press releases and financial reports if the agreement had been abandoned.
     
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    Won't affect us, now can we quit bringing this up yet?
     
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    It might affect us if that UO is similar to this one or better a lot of players might go to that UO further decreasing the population of the one we are playing now. What will happen to the UO we are playing now if the player-base is next to nothing?
     
  9. Martyna Zmuir

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    Oy vey.

    There is NO proof this project got off the ground past the mention in the shareholder report TWO YEARS AGO.

    • There are no screenshots
    • There is no concept art
    • The Netdragon website has had the same tiny bit of text on it for ages
    • Mythic hasn't mentioned it, even though they are allegedly assisting
    Until Netdragon actually bothers to publicize something, this is naught but vaporware and extremely wishful thinking.
     
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    they are just turning Samurai Empire into a full spin off....

    maybe its just a misunderstanding and Netdragon is just assisting on working on EC?

    or its a social network kiddie game?

    either way it shouldnt effect the only UO.
     
  11. Tina Small

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    I look at the NetDragon's own games portal at 91.com and I still see placeholders for Ultima Online. They are in the business of promoting themselves as a growing and savvy entertainment company. Why would they continue to have a placeholder for a game they aren't working on? Wouldn't they just delete it if it isn't actually still under development? And again, why continue to say in all their press materials that they are still working on it?? If they've stopped working on it, wouldn't they just quietly stop saying anything else about it?

    I've noticed that on their own website, the translation for Ultima Online now comes out in English as "Genesis Networks" but when you click the link it takes you to the same part of their site that was set up for UO. So maybe that is the new "working title" for the project?

    I can't find much yet on "Genesis Networks," but did find this very very poorly translated article that makes me wonder what the heck is going on:

    EA has reached an agreement to develop new NET Dragon “network creators” | ITnews-blog.com

    More to come, I suppose.
     
  12. Lady Storm

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    I am gunna say this only once...

    I do NOT put anything past EA.

    They would highly benafit from a new UO the amount of players in China is staggering and you would have to include korea and japan in there not to mention the south east asian market thats over 4 billion ppl.

    EA is not stupid... not the brightest on the christmas tree but not sutpid. They know where money is ....

    I am considering this as a potntial killer for my accounts if I am right and i think 90% is correct.
     
  13. Trebr Drab

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    In a twist of fate, that sounds more like a translation for "Origin Systems".
     
  14. Tina Small

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    On page 51 of the 2009 financial report for NetDragon Websoft, it says: "The Group [i.e., NetDragon] entered into licensing agreement with EA for the development of its MMORPG based on EA’s Ultima Online™. The Group also obtained the exclusive license to operate and distribute Ultima Online throughout China, Hong Kong, Macau and India."

    http://file.download.91.com/down/2010/ir_0426_4.pdf

    I don't know how much clearer it can be than that: NetDragon is developing a new MMO based on UO and they will have the exclusive license to operate and distribute it in China, Hong Kong, Macau, and India. That leaves the rest of the world open as far as the operation and distribution of this new UO-based MMORPG.

    On December 1, 2008, NetDragon entered into a similar agreement with EA to develop a new game based on the Dungeon Keeper series of games, with similar language about having the exclusive license to operate and distribute the game in certain countries.

    That game, for a while called Dungeon Keeper World and now called Dungeon Keeper Online, is in the final stages of beta and according to the latest reports from NetDragon is scheduled to be released by the end of 2011, three years after the agreement was forged with EA. Very little was said about that project either until earlier this year, and yet now there's a full-blown website for it and there was a large exhibit for it at the China Joy expo in August 2011. [See company blog article here and notice the first two pictures that include Chris Ondrus of EA: 网龙网络有é™å…¬å¸Â·ä¼ä¸šåšå®¢ » CJå‰æ–¹å±•å°å¿«è®¯. Also, see this video in English on the DKOL website where Mr. Ondrus talks about the partnership between EA and NetDragon: ??-³?OL???-dk.91.com. Notice the EA logo at the end of each and every video on the official DKOL website here: ??-³?OL???-dk.91.com ]

    If the actual agreements between EA and NetDragon Websoft were set with a projected timeline of three years, then that would mean the new version of UO should be rolled out in the summer of 2012, just in time for UO's 15th anniversary, and we should start seeing more news very soon about the project. Unfortunate as it may be for us, I am pretty convinced that this project is going to replace the current version of UO. In my mind, not much else explains the horrible neglect from EA of a game that supposedly is still important to them as it approaches a record-setting 15th anniversary. I'm not terribly happy about it, for many reasons, not least of which is the fact that jobs were lost in the US because of this agreement, but I can also understand why EA moved in this direction. I also think that the folks at EA are going to keep us in the dark about the situation as long as they possibly can for obvious reasons. If they lose us to neglect in the meantime, they may figure it's no big loss if they are gambling on the new version of UO to be a big hit in other countries. They captured all our information during the account migration process, so sooner or later they'll come a-knocking trying to woo us back into the fold.
     
  15. Woodsman

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    Yeah, that "very poorly translated article" is a poorly translated version of one of the original announcements from 2009, complete with the same July 22 date.

    You're really stretching now. Besides the fact that the article you linked to was clearly never touched by a human, that itnews-blog.com website you linked to and its sister website, softwaredescription.com, look like they are just Asian spam sites of some sort - both have articles only going back to December of last year, and both look to be scraping legitimate websites and running the results through Google translate and then posting the results.

    I honestly think you guys may even believe this and aren't trolling the rest of us, and I almost feel bad for pointing out that you all have nothing concrete to show.
     
  16. Woodsman

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    It's not very savvy for a company to create a placeholder and then leave it sitting empty and abandoned for a year or so. Not very savvy at all.
     
  17. Tina Small

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    Well, after having played almost daily for nearly seven years now, with only a three month break, I don't know what else to think to account for the decline in the quality of updates to UO over the last couple of years and the large number of promises and hints about things that were going to be done or new stuff that would be added to the game that amounted to exactly nothing.

    Did you perhaps miss the post where I provided a link to Chris Ondrus' public profile on LinkedIn that says (1) he is a producer at Bioware, and (2) that since June 2009 (one month before the press release was published regarding the agreement between EA and NetDragon to develop a new version of UO) he has been "producing two projects with one of the leading MMORPG Play for Free game developers in China, Netdragon"?

    His public profile is here: Christopher Ondrus | LinkedIn

    The two press releases for agreements between NetDragon and EA can be found here on the NetDragon investor relations website:

    December 1, 2008 agreement regarding Dungeon Keeper: NetDragon Websoft Inc.--NetDragon Enters into Agreement with EA to Develop New Online Game - Dungeon Keeper Online --ir.netdragon.com

    July 22, 2009 agreement regarding Ultima Online: NetDragon Websoft Inc.--EA and NetDragon Enter Agreement to Develop Ultima Online--ir.netdragon.com

    Here is video from 2011 with Chris Ondrus talking about why EA picked NetDragon Websoft to develop the new Dungeon Keeper Online game: ??-³?OL???-dk.91.com.

    This article in Chinese from the NetDragon company blog shows pictures of Chris Ondrus of EA at the Dungeon Keeper Online booth at the China Joy exhibit in August 2011: 网龙网络有é™å…¬å¸Â·ä¼ä¸šåšå®¢ » CJå‰æ–¹å±•å°å¿«è®¯.

    The Dungeon Keeper agreement preceded the UO agreement by nearly eight months, so it seems perfectly logical (at least to me) that project might be further along than the UO project. Therefore, I don't think it is completely outside the realm of possibility that the second project Mr. Ondrus is working on with NetDragon is the one covered by the second agreement between EA and NetDragon, i.e., the agreement to develop a new version of UO. It also doesn't seem completely illogical (at least to me) that project is still under wraps because, unlike Dungeon Keeper Online, it's a new version of an existing MMO that already has a subscriber base who are very likely to freak out over the thought of a new version of the game coming along to replace what they're already playing. There is no existing MMO version of Dungeon Keeper with a subscriber base to put in a panic, so why not be as public as possible about how things are coming along with that game, which is also their first game in 3D?

    I guess time will tell who is right and who is wrong. For now, though, I'm solidly sticking to my hunch that NetDragon is actually working on what they say they've been working on for the last two years...a new version of Ultima Online. From everything I've read about them, they don't seem like a company that would want to tarnish their reputation at home or abroad by continuing to say they're working on a project that doesn't actually exist. They seem very intent on proving how capable they are and have an awful lot at stake (e.g., they are building a brand new and huge company campus on the beach near the East China Sea, complete with a spaceship-styled building large enough to be viewed from space by the Google satellite - OPEN architecture and http://newgame.17173.com/corp/_netd/20101116163020451.shtml#subject) if they don't succeed with the projects they've taken on with international partners like Electronic Arts.
     
  18. Dermott of LS

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    Until we get updates from OUR team about this project including screenshots, specs, concepts, etc., I wouldn't put any stock in this coming to any fruition for the standard version of UO.

    I've been in UO and around MMOGs for a little under 14 years now and have seen PLENTY of Vapourware, cancelled projects (with servers later sold on ebay no less (Wish)), and even outright hoaxes (Dawn).

    I would suggest that the believers in this NetDragon thing look into the history of the "game" known as Dawn, the hoax that Glitchless Games was, and that it had more concrete evidence to work with than this whole NetDragon thing does.

    The only thing we have info-wise are vague generalities and weak connections.

    This whole thing has been hashed over a couple of times already due to thread derails about the EC and shown that it's nothing to get excited about or even to expect to happen.

    Come on people! Learn a bit from MMOG history and get a bit of skepticism. It will save you from MASSIVE letdowns due to finding out that what fantasy you have built up around a bit of Vapour isn't real at all.
     
  19. Tina Small

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    So you're saying a press release from NetDragon Websoft like the one below that was picked up by PR Newswire and dated yesterday, is just all a hoax? [Note the sentence near the end that says, "Our online games currently in development include World of Dungeon Keeper Online (previously named as World of Dungeon Keeper), TRANSFORMERS Online, icombo (previously named as Cross Gate), and a new version of Ultima Online." ]

    NetDragon Expands Online Portfolio -- FUZHOU, China, Oct. 10, 2011 /PRNewswire-Asia/ --
     
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    That article says nothing about UO, all it does is quote that exact same years-old "new version of Ultima Online" blurb in an "about NetDragon" section at the end of the article. You're grasping the straws so hard they've become dust.
     
  21. Martyna Zmuir

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    No offense Tina, but...

    Until. We. See. ACTUAL. EVIDENCE. It. Is. Vaporware.

    How many announcements have come out about UO over the years that were full of lies and half-truths? Original Necromancy. Advanced Alchemy. Revamped factions. Arenas.

    Any company can say "We are working on X! Yay us!" without actually working on it.

    The other thing the Netdragon fans seem to miss is that the PR ONLY talks about Asian markets. Even EA isn't brain-dead enough to compete with its own products. World of Dungeon Keeper Online has nothing to compete with, hence why its being released in the US too.

    Last, but not least, why would EA continue to spend any money on UO if they were about to let Netdragon replace it? We know they are ruthless when it comes to cost cutting measures, so they aren't about to spend any money they don't have to. We know they are spending money on UO a la the high resolution update which has been confirmed by multiple people in the last month.


    If/When Netdragon deigns to produce something believable then UO players should pay attention. Until then, the tissue-thin PR and rhetoric is just obnoxious.
     
  22. Zosimus

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    I have posted this a few times and I will do it again concerning this new UO.....




    This link kind of give me the answers of this new ultima online they may be creating on.....


    EA making a new Ultima Online? News - MMO - Page 1 | Eurogamer.net


    I dont see the rest of the world being mentioned. Just those areas above.

    "EVEN" if they did distribute this world wide then that would mean the end of the current UO, the fairfax office, and employees. Netdragon would have complete control.

    Maybe Cal saw what was coming and jumped ship early to secure a job somewhere else. The silence of the rest of the crew is aggrovating some on stratics so maybe they are already looking for new jobs. I highly doubt it. It's just another game for a different area.
     
  23. Woodsman

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    You're seriously arguing that Stygian Abyss was not a quality update to UO? There isn't a big enough facepalm image for that and I don't even know what to say to that.

    As for promises and hints, if you've been playing for seven years, you should be used to it - UO has been full of promises since its very inception, and I'm not counting UO2 or UXO and the other unannounced UO project, but just looking at the 3D client and the KR client, there are two huge promises that crumbled to dust. To me, those are two of the biggest promises that hurt us the worst, because they were projects that were supposed to help move UO forward and away from the 1990s and make UO competitive and able to get the attention of newer players. They came into being, got a lot of attention, got everybody jazzed, and then quickly fell by the wayside. They even went so far as to make Ilshenar 3D-only in an attempt to encourage people to move, only to quickly reverse course. Same with KR. Speaking of Ilshenar, it was described as a meeting place of sorts between shards, before the cross-shard transfers. That would have been really cool and really destructive probably.

    There have been so many promises made by EA/Origin/dev teams since the 1990s that it's left a lot of people jaded, and I think it's left you especially jaded, hence why you are grasping for straws.

    Ultima and Origin fans are used to this:
    BioForge II - canceled
    Harry Potter Online - canceled (brilliant ****ing move EA, right as Harry Potter was taking off)
    Privateer 3/Privateer Online - canceled
    Strike Commander: Strike team - canceled
    Ultima VIII: The Lost Vale - canceled
    Ultima Worlds Online Origin (UO2) - canceled
    Ultima: Worlds of Adventure 3: Arthurian Legends - canceled
    Ultima X: Odyssey - canceled
    At least two other Ultima-related games - canceled
    Wing Commander VI and VII - canceled

    If we want to look closer to the present year, The Warhammer crowd was promised a lot of things that they didn't get at launch and many still haven't gotten three years later. It hurt them a lot and they are still bitter about it.

    You all are hanging on Dungeon Keeper Online, and you ignore that EA does not have an active Dungeon Keeper game for Netdragon to compete with.

    The answers to why you think UO slowed down a few years ago are staring you in the face. You yourself have mentioned the two waves of layoffs that UO has went through in the last 5 years as well as them working on Star Wars.

    In pub 73, we'll see the first part of the high resolution update, which was, by the way, started under Cal. What are you going to say when we see pub 73? Are you going to still tell us that EA intends to replace UO after they just put a bunch of resources into updating it to high resolution?
     
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    Okay, no need to punch people in the face while trying to burst their bubble.

    The deal with NetDragon is not unusual in the business world and could easily result in the software being available in the US market. NetDragon has the exclusive rights to the property in Asia only, but since EA is paying for development alongside them, do you really think that they are not going to want the software for themselves as well? That would be very foolish on their part and a waste of time/licensing.

    They have a customer base that has been demanding an upgrade in thier product for years and they have half the world left to market it in.

    Oh yeah, if it's really, real it will be coming the US and EURO markets not long after it's play tested in Asia. You can count on it... if it gets off the ground.
     
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    The sad truth as I see it is that EA doesn't have much idea about what it's gonna do next quarter, much less years from now.

    ?

    Remember, this is the company that spent development time installing an "ATM" setup into one of their games, letting everyone spend their RL money buying currency, and then announced the closing of the game.
     
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    Is netdragon under some kind of confidentiality agreement where it cant show any proof of progress on the supposed UO project? Like others have said, shouldnt we have seen at least a few screenshots or concept art or something? Thats what makes some skeptical about this project making it to release.
     
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    Most here would/will probably freak out if they see anything that doesn't meet their idea of what any new game should be.

    Also (basing this on Korean MMO's) the testing and stuff is much more secretive and regional. They will test in in Asia before they start showing us anything.
     
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    Stygian Abyss was a fine expansion. I spent several months participating in the beta. It was disappointing, however, to see how much SA-related content that could have been released in the months following the release of SA seem to have been held back and then slowly dribbled out to us over the following two years.

    Maybe you're right. It was painful to see people like Jeremy, Draconi, Sakkarah, and Chrissay leave. And with the current cone of silence that seems to have descended over the UO team, it's hard to tell anymore whether anyone other than Grimm is even left and still feels any passion for UO or that we will ever have the opportunity again to really explore what they've put together. I'll never forget running into Bruce (Logrus) in the Abyss the last night of the SA beta and chatting with him for a good 15 or 20 minutes. Or Sakkarah coming to my house and riffling through piles and piles of old non-stacking seeds with an engineer in tow to figure why they weren't stacking as they should. I've had the feeling since Sakkarah left in early 2010, that those days are gone and it makes me very sad to think that.

    At this point, sadly, I really expect the promise of a high resolution update to just be another mostly empty promise fulfilled with cheap gimmicks, like Cal's promise of an exciting upcoming announcement to be made shortly after the SA release that would bring the wild, wild west back to UO, or the promises of cracking down on all the cheaters that were being tracked in a spreadsheet, or all the promises to have a decision "soon" about setting up a classic shard. Anymore, I look at promises to upgrade UO in the same light as I suppose you and others look at the information about another company developing a new version of UO....tissue thin and obnoxious rhetoric.
     
  29. Woodsman

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    Three different people in the past month have said it's coming - the Ultima producer, TheGrimmOmen (an artist working on it), and it's listed as being in pub 73 on the front page of the Herald.

    That's pretty concrete.
     
  30. Dermott of LS

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    Okay, no need to punch people in the face while trying to burst their bubble.

    Sometimes it can't be helped. When people have 100% CONVINCED themselves that a couple of press releases with NOTHING ELSE other than conjecture and weak attempts to "connect the dots" is the honest to God truth of what's going to happen, they need a GOOD dose of REALITY.

    The people that we need to listen to (and even then take what is stated with a decent grain of salt) are the US Dev Team, NOT NetDragon. Now, the BIGGEST problem with the US team (not limited to the current team or Cal's team, but has been a problem for YEARS) is that when they DO change course from an expected update (as noted earlier in this thread), they tend to not give any reasoning to the players why the expected updates aren't going to happen. Yes, that is in fact a problem. However, we have an active dev team that (for better or worse) has stated that the 2d client isn't going anywhere, and it's VERY well known that the 2d client prevents the game from going into full-fledged 3d as long as it is active (yes, I know about Iris, but that is, no offense to the Iris team, an amateur hack that cuts plenty of corners to achieve the desired effect), so a NetDragon UO client is by that fact alone not going to happen. It would have to be a completely SEPARATE GAME.

    Please people, take a step back and think. It's fun to get all excited about Vapourware... that's why it exists. Vapourware is by it's own nature PERFECT because it only exists enough to allow the person reading about it to fill in the purposely left out gaps with what the package will be.

    It's not a bad idea to demand concrete proof before jumping in with both feet. Before you swan dive in, make sure there's water in the pool. I've known quite a few people who got burned BADLY in their belief in cancelled and hoax MMOGs.
     
  31. Tina Small

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    Within the last week or so, something changed on the 91.com website (NetDragon's Chinese language entertainment and information portal) with regard to the UO section of the website. Previously, when you looked at the set of game links on the site, the English translation of the wording for the link for the UO section of the site would show up as "Ultima Online." The English translation now comes up as "Genesis Networks." The link still takes you to the uo.91.com page, which still just leads to a forum that has been inactive since earlier this year. Maybe NetDragon has given the UO project a new working title that somehow translates from Chinese to English as "Genesis Networks" and perhaps that means they are getting ready to start posting additional information.

    This is a link for the "news" page of the 91.com website: 91? ???_91??. You will notice that the bottom right corner of the page provides a running list of NetDragon/TQ Digital games that are in the testing or beta stage. In addition to the uo.91.com page, I'm also trying to keep an eye on that portion of this page for any news about the start of any testing or beta for UO or Genesis Networks or whatever this project is currently being called. News about the game's progress might also show up as a press release on this page in the investor relations website for NetDragon Website: NetDragon Websoft Inc.--Press--ir.netdragon.com. However, I think it's more likely that there will just be a short line or two in the press release about the company's third quarter results, which probably won't be released until mid- to late-November. (The press release with 2nd quarter 2011 results is here to give you an idea of how they read: http://file.download.91.com/down/ir_e_20110826_1.pdf.)

    As so many other people have pounded into my head already in this thread, there have already been a couple of attempts at other versions of UO that went nowhere. Why is it any surprise then that if this is another attempt along the same lines, both EA and the company working on it are being pretty secretive about it? They probably realize that as soon as anything is realized, people are going to tear it to shreds. So maybe they're trying to make it as close to perfect as it can possibly be before even one scrap of evidence is put forth.

    Or maybe, as so many of you insist, NetDragon's just been trying to fool their investors, potential investors, competitors, and anyone else that gives a hoot, about working on a new version of UO. Close to fifty press releases saying NetDragon is working on it; the deletion by EA from their own list of press releases of the one describing the agreement with NetDragon to work on a new version of UO (yes, you used to be able to find it on the EA investor relations site but haven't been able to in about a year now but obviously it was sent out because a bunch of gaming sites picked it up); an EA dev team that became incredibly close-mouthed this year and seems to be only marginally capable of giving us anything new and that isn't something we've already seen before; the accidental introduction of an "Ultima franchise producer"; the non-appointment of a new producer for UO; the discovery of a Mythic producer working on two unnamed projects with NetDragon--all of these things are just happy little coincidences that mean diddly-squat.

    None of these things could possibly mean EA is trying as hard as they can from their end of things to keep a tight lid on this project for as long as they possibly can because they can't afford bad publicity right now as they are going into the holiday season and as they roll out their newiest and shiniest MMO.
     
  32. Uriah Heep

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    Not saying it's not coming...saying in response to those who say it's coming is proof we are gonna be here for a while. This was just the example of dev time and new stuffs intro'd right before the cancellation of a game.
     
  33. Woodsman

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    I have my theories that it is a similar situation that has happened in the past - something new released, but key people involved with it move on or are laid off or moved elsewhere, leaving the remaining people having to deal with it/get up to speed. It happened with the 3D client and some of the earlier expansions - release, then team turnover, new team members either having to finish/deal with the unfinished stuff, or deciding to ignore it and move on.
    The problem is this is endemic to all three Mythic MMOs with the occasional bump in active communication - Warhammer's producer came out of a long hibernation last week, and Camelot is getting some activity because it's the annviersary. We see it as a UO problem because we are UO players and don't necessarily look at the other Mythic MMO forums, but we should be trying to organize with our fellow Warhammer and Camelot players as well, because all three groups of players feel the same way - that we're being ignored/kept in the dark.

    Using the UO Japan example - they have a team of people that work on their website and communicate with the players. We have THREE MMOs that are sharing ONE community relations person.

    And we accept that as normal!!!$#%$%&^%

    If they were going to yank the high resolution update, they would have stopped working on it well before now and the Ultima producer, TheGrimmOmen, and the Herald would not have mentioned it in the past month. Let's face it, without a graphics update, UO is definitely on a timer. I don't care what happens with the Ultima Forever stuff, if they don't try and accommodate people with computers and laptops made in the last five years, it's done. It's not helped by EA probably gearing up to help 38 Studios with a Kingdoms of Amalur MMO.
     
  34. Woodsman

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    You're saying that because Netdragon is publicly traded and has investors, competition, potential investors, etc., that they wouldn't let a project die or wither on the vine??

    EA is a publicly traded company with investors, competition, and potential investors. At various times EA has announced and/or even showed screenshots or websites of the following:
    BioForge II - canceled
    Harry Potter Online - canceled (brilliant ****ing move EA, right as Harry Potter was taking off)
    Privateer 3/Privateer Online - canceled
    Strike Commander: Strike team - canceled
    Ultima VIII: The Lost Vale - canceled
    Ultima Worlds Online Origin (UO2) - canceled
    Ultima: Worlds of Adventure 3: Arthurian Legends - canceled
    Ultima X: Odyssey - canceled
    At least two other Ultima-related games - canceled
    Wing Commander VI and VII - canceled

    Note the word "canceled" after every one of those.

    That is just games that were within Origin's domain.

    Think about that for a moment.

    Those were games just within Origin. Games that were announced, even had screenshots and domains setup, and then were canceled or turned into vaporware and then canceled.

    EA has done this with literally dozens more from other studios.

    Many of the games in that small list of canceled Origin projects had much more of a concrete presence than Netdragon's UO ever did.

    Hell, Lost Vale was ready to go into production. People got to actually play UXO. There was a screenshot from Harry Potter online. There were PR materials for Privateer 3. A story was developed and somewhat talked about publicly about Arthurian Legends.

    Netdragon being publicly traded doesn't mean anything.

    Hell, EA investors should have been up in arms over the morons that canceled Harry Potter online, because it was clear even then that Harry Potter was going to be huge.
     
  35. Tina Small

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    Be realistic...if you were building a new version of UO in 3D today, how long do you think it would take to get it in good enough shape to put it in front of all the critics? One year? Two years? Three years? Four years?

    The agreement with NetDragon was signed 27 months ago. Do you really think that's sufficient time, given the competition that exists today, to roll out a totally new game? How long has Bioware been working on Star Wars? How long does Blizzard think it's going to take them to roll out their next game?
     
  36. Dermott of LS

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    Well, according to the blurb in one poster's sig file it's supposed to be "released in 2012". And yet there no more concrete information than that. No concept images, no early screen shots, no other information.
     
  37. Woodsman

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    Netdragon started putting Dungeon Keeper Online gameplay videos out in under 26-28 months from the signed agreement. Even before then they were actively talking about DKO - HD2300 was quite proud of that.

    They announced UO 27 months ago and not even a screenshot or anything beyond a few sentences....

    But I wasn't addressing that.

    I was addressing the fact that you believed that because Netdragon has "investors, potential investors, and competitors," that they wouldn't announce a game unless they planned on doing it, when I proved that EA went and did just that with 10 different games just within the Origin studio, and some of those were days away from production or had screenshots and videos and were even played publicly. By the way, all of those were probably within a 7 year timespan, give or take a year.

    I can't even imagine how many games EA has announced and then canceled or that became vaporware when you look beyond Origin properties. 60 seems like it would be a low number.

    In thinking about it, there have probably been an additional half a dozen Origin games that EA canceled that we never even heard of or never got past what Netdragon has said about UO. Point is the video game industry is really bad about this kind of stuff.
     
  38. Vlaude

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    I didn't want to make a new thread about this, but thought some of you might find it interesting. Richard Garriot is in gaming news again, he attended and spoke at the GDC Online awards ceremony. He mentioned UO, but only as a segue into congratulating Everquest on their induction into the GDC Hall of Fame. UO didn't win any awards unfortunately :(

    Game Developers' Choice Online Awards Honor Rift, Minecraft, and Everquest
     
  39. Zosimus

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    Sorry Ned but I dont feel like looking through the other thread on stratics and go searching the net again for all the answers I am about to give.

    -The Vaporware is "based" on Ultima online not exactly going to be the current UO.

    -EA itself has said those markets. Meaning atm the market will be those areas licensed under Netdragon and controlled by China.

    -I think we are above and beyond to call the asian market a testing ground. Not saying you did or implying that you did ( nothing personal btw) but China atm is holding the world up on their shoulders keeping the economy going.

    -One of the articles, I know it was quoted by me in the other stratics thread, that EA will profit from it in those areas. They will get a piece of the pie if it's profitable. Nothing was dictated that it would go world wide.

    -Since China has strict laws concerning online games and how they work and make companies partner up with their country's based companies it's complicated web to deal with. EA is jumping everytime and asking how high just to do deals with in China. The chinese actually have laws that make it pretty damn hard on outside companies. EA sure doesn't ask how high or even jump for the current UO do they?

    -The Asian markets are the money makers atm. This new UO wont be the UO what we know. It is 'based" off of the current UO so that could mean anything. Go look at the graphics of other Netdragon's games. Kind of cartoony looking to me. Has that similar WoW look imo. Just not my flavor.


    I will even go with you on the "if" statement. Then the current UO would be killed off because EA did bring it here. Why would EA want to keep the current UO with 2 clients, a new updated game based off of UO, and have 2 teams working on the old game and a new team working with the new one?

    Mythic never had a chance. They were trying to do a graphic upgrade on old code and didnt make many happy. Instead of saying "Lets just make a new UO but that is to much trouble. So lets make it 1 million times harder on ourselves (mythic) so people can keep their pixels."

    Why would Netdragon try to do the same mistake Mythic made for the current UO? They know better. Just make a new game. May as well call it UO2 more then UO 3D. "If" it does come out thats what it will truly be. A UO2.
     
  40. Woodsman

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    If press releases are to be believed, there is a Chinese version of UO already out there :mf_prop:

    Gamasutra - News - China MMO Powerhouse NetDragon Targets Facebook With Conquer Online

     
  41. Zosimus

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    Dang it Woodsman!!!! Your link isnt working for me :(

    Well guess if you want to play it if the above you quoted is true and already out for the "chinese" to play then I guess some will move to China.


    *does a communist chair dance* :banana:
     
  42. Zosimus

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    Gah after the 10th try I finally got it. My apologies Woodsman. I kept getting an error page lol.