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A serious question about gold I would like answered.

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Uriah Heep, Feb 6, 2015.

  1. Uriah Heep

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    Mesanna said the next publish was gonna be a bug fix. okay. And then it was stated the publish after that was the one that would do away with checks. No checks, just piles of gold (60k still, I assume)

    So my concern is this, how do we move it around? At present I keep a few hundred mill checks in my house, in containers set to co owner, so any of the people on any of my accounts can have ready access to it.

    If there is no physical item, how willl I have one account pick gps from a common lot? I'm really concerned about this, and would like an answer. If its already planned for Publish, then the groundwork should be laid out already, so how will it be?
     
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    The first thought that comes to my mind is...sell something off a vendor....

    Not sure how exactly they intend on implementing it, but I am assuming that the entire account is going to have one *bank* so noone will be able to give gold from one account to the other..UNLESS they put in a mailbox feature that lets you mail stuff to other players..which would be cool!

    So yeah..the only workaround I can see is putting something on a vendor....which would really be a pain in the arse :/
     
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    Trade window is my guess
     
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    That could be another idea...have a section in the trade window for transferring gold...sorta like a mailbox but not....good idea! :)
     
  5. Uriah Heep

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    But if there is nothing physical, how do you trade it? And why that, or a vendor, will have to have both accounts online at same time to do it. The old way, just go get what ya need.

    Really wish there could be some authoritative anxwer on this, instead of more speculation.
     
  6. Uriah Heep

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    But if there is nothing physical, how do you trade it? And why that, or a vendor, will have to have both accounts online at same time to do it. The old way, just go get what ya need.

    Really wish there could be some authoritative anxwer on this, instead of more speculation.
     
  7. Captn Norrington

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    I'll miss checks.....one of the things that made UO unique was the ability to physically hand someone a check, or drop checks on the floor for an event, or house drop.
     
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    I suppose that I had assumed gold would be represented as a number on some sort of gump that you would access through the context menu. I speculate that the gump will have options to trade gold to other players or to convert it to piles. Hopefully they will provide an option to trade it to other characters on your account.
     
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    Yall missed the point. Having the mythical number available to all chars on the account might be an issue. However, it is gonna mean those of us playing 3 - 4 accounts will have to actually log in their main to hand it to the other accounts...it won't be able to just be left for anyone to get.

    Seems a tragedy to take this out of the game just so it will be more convenient for a few rich brokers and rare dealers by them not having to handle checks. And I firmly believe that is what this is all about...
     
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    I open 2 clients at once to trade off. It's not a big deal once you get use to the idea. Had to do it today to get my own guys all in my new guild :p
     
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    Whatever it will be, I really hope the devs/testers really test it thoroughly so the new system canĀ“t be exploited.
     
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    I can see it now..... "new exploit found where people gave themselves 10 billion gold due to new gold system".....lol.
     
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    My understanding is that your gold will be account bound. (you'll probably have to drop those checks locked down in your house off at some sort of banker that will convert it to your account)
    Then there will probably be some sort of way to type in (or perhaps a slide scale) on the actual trade window to determine how much you want to give/pay another player.
     
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    Maybe they could introduce safes that you can make with a carpenter that would allow you to deposit gold on it to be retrieved by other players, once it is locked down and secured at your house.
    We will need a convenient way to move gold between accounts.
     
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    I do not like this change. There are so many unknowns.
    • Is the gold tied to the account on a single shard or will it be accessible on all shards?
    • If I don't have a vendor, how can I give gold to another character on a different account?
    • If I have checks in my house, are they going to auto-convert to non-check form?
    • Have the devs considered the rare white checks and exempted them from the currency conversion?
    I sure hope they test, test, and test more. Something this important should be bug free when implemented.
     
  16. Uriah Heep

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    The exact implementation of currency conversion is still in development. Two of the main high level goals include providing a secure, and easy way to store large sums of gold in a virtual currency and to provide a secure and easy way to transfer large sums between accounts. As we move forward with these changes, we look forward to your feedback and answering any questions you have.
     
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    So basically, this is nothing we will see anytime soon.
     
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    Thanks Kyronix! Remember people...this isn't the NEXT publish...but the publish after that...so we're still a ways away from this...keep the ideas coming so the team can make it the best it can be :)

    I can't wait!
     
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    While I love your enthusiasm Larisa, I really do, and also know that this is 2 publishes from now, based on what Kyronix said, and recent past "publish" schedules we can look forward to this sometime in 2016...possibly, or we can look forward to a Meet and Greet in 2016 where Mesanna informs someone that it was just to hard, and won't be happening.
     
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    Whoa, that would be a major game changer! I wasn't under the impression this was even a possibility, but who knows?
     
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    How about keeping checks aswell as the new system. Have the new system with a option to write a check at any give time.
    When you write a check it appears in either your pack or your bank..
    Make it easier to do large sum trades and easier to hold your gold with the new system.
    But you also get to keep the originality and sentimental effect of the having a actual checks.
    There are still going to be players who prefer checks over any new system...
    If you do a combo of the two, I think its a win/win for boths sides of the argument..
     
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    It's currently scheduled for Publish 90, along with some other fun stuff we'll be lifting the curtain on in our upcoming Dev Diary video!
     
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    Well from the recent Lake Austin meet and greet,

    : [Crystal] Lady Mesanna says: we are doing currency conversion!
    : [Crystal] Rasesar Wej says: nice!
    : [Crystal] Rasesar Wej says: will we be able to do large quantity trades in the trade window? 500M?
    : [Crystal] Lady Mesanna says: the rest will be revealed a little later
    : [Crystal] Lady Mesanna says: yes money will be transferred via trade window with a slide
     
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    Seems very likely - with all the other issues the game has, the ability to easily move millions between accounts is a prety minor inconvenience for a very small number of people, yet seems to be getting much more dev time than the things people keep telling the team are major problems..... but sadly where we are now is major problems get pushed under the carpet, with various increasingly feeble excuses for not addressing them, alongside an endless avalance of pixel crack, half-designed and bug ridden 'new' systems the huge majority didn't really ask for, and 'global events' that re-write game history whilst being a thinly disguised grind for yet more shiny items we don'treally need.

    The really important stuff, like bringing in and retaining new folks, enforcing their own rules, clearing out the genuine problems..... all in the 'too hard, don't action, but try to look like we give a damn' category.
     
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    what if your cat jumps on your keyboard and bumps the slide to full $$, then bumps the commit !!!!
     
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    I think this is a great idea as long as its done right. There are things id like to buy or sale but I haven't because I don't trust people. This is a change that should have been put in place the first time there was ever anything worth more than 125 mil. Ive been burned a couple times in the past on trades. The fact that you have to use a broker to do large trades is amateur in a game that's been around this long. Plus, I don't know these brokers.
    Ive been wanting a nicer house spot on Atl . Someone showed me one the other day that was in a very nice location. It also had a very nice price tag 225 mil. At that point we had a problem. He wanted the 225 mil before he would trade me the house. That is understandable on his end, but on my end its not. I will not give someone 225 mil and hope that he is honest and trades me the house. Im sure 99% of people in this game wouldn't screw someone over but I seem to find that other 1% too often.
    Im glad they are going to fix this, but I will wait a couple months after it comes out before I use it. Let everyone find the bugs first.
     
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    you eat the cat . . .
     
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    Cat owners should already know it's not 'what if' that happens, but 'when'......
     
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    I want a safe! That sounds cool :)
     
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    You DO realize that with your comment of having a couple hundred million in checks in storage at home, that YOU"RE actually one of THEM don't you ?
     
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    Well maybe a slide check button? Check it off to disable slide? I don't see slide being the only option. If you had 20 mill and tried to give someone 750 gold that would take awhile to manage lol. 748 Doh! 756 Doh! 749 Doh! lol
     
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    There's a context menu on vendors for Get Gold, I"m sure it's easy to code in Give Gold on your own context menu, with a cursor to target your other accounts character. Hopefully that's not too much work for you. :p
     
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    Making gold account/shard bound would kill this game and not just because I'm a broker but because people couldn't trade their gold from account to account, imo this would result in people closing down their multiple accounts and broadsword losing much more of their needed funds.
     
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    I *LOVE* a good conspiracy! :D
     
  36. Capt. Lucky

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    That couldn't work, if you can give gold to another player then you could give it to another account. I could see if a new shard opened you might wanna restrict that for awhile. But I don't see any reason for that otherwise. I recently moved a ton of gold over to Legends to get started. If I couldn't have done that and started a new adventure perhaps I would have gotten bored and stored up everything and taken a break. I don't see any advantage to shard bound. Everything in the world to buy is pretty much strictly Atlantic. If I can't take gold there to stock up on stuff that would be a major bummer. Your never gonna stop brokers, you might have some specializing on certain shards, but life goes on. I suppose the low population shards would just be paying a premium if they wished to buy gold.
     
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    A couple hundred mill, over 3-4 accounts,m now is hardly a filthy rich person...sheeesh
     
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    I guess my only concern with this is there currently is a hard cap on rares pretty much. Unless you got a broker 2 people seriously trust. I find trust in this game needs to be taken with a grain of salt ;) It would be interesting to see what rares would go for billions :)
     
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    probably about 1 out of every 20 new drops approach the 1bil range. most go for around 200 - 400 mil, which still above the vendor cap. id say only about 30 percent of rares are actually viable to be sold on vendors if the seller is willing to drop the price to vendor status.
     
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    Looking forward to seeing it and eating my words.
     
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    I know from reading here and there this was something Mesanna really wanted to do. Just wondering if anyone knew what it was about this that she hoped to achieve from it? Was it a duping concern?
     
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    The inability to make secure high value trades is a problem for the economy, which is something brought up often as a major problem. Right now, a lot of gold sits around uncirculated and unspent simply because storing and transferring it between players is not an easy process.

    For example, let's say someone ends up selling a rare for a 400 million gold. As it stands there is no easy way to transfer that much gold between the buyer and seller, and other items with inherent value equal to that of the sale price are used in place of checks. By making this process easy and secure we get more money cycling into the hands of people who will spend it instead of hoard it. Now the player who just easily got 400 million on one character is free to spend that money on any character on the account, a few million here on some new armor, a few million there on some new weapons, pretty soon all that money is back circulating, and that's a good thing.

    If you feel there are areas of the game that need attention though, or specifically bugs you find troublesome (especially this as right now we are in the midst of a bug fixing publish) please feel free to email us or send a PM.
     
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    Yep, at the 15th anniversary event Mesanna mentioned she wanted to get checks out of the game because they get duped.
     
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    There, I fixed it for you. lol. :D
     
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    duping was one concern. although i think its less frequent now, the majority of gold in UO came from overfilling a bankbox with 2bil gold and then duping the character. One of the MAJOR concerns i have with this transition is that it NEEDS to be dupe-proof. It would be a disaster if someone could dupe 100bil plus in one shot somehow with this.
     
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    Oh wow, this could mean an end to broker services or at least a sharp decline.
     
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    Many noble intentions. I just hope it works lol
     
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    Just pondering... I wonder what happens to the gold people have locked down around their house? I suppose if you dropped it in the bank it would go into your "account". On the surface it seems so complex to me lol. Money on vendors, etc. I gotta think this will be a real project. Not like I know anything about programming though.
     
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    Can't think of anything in the game I'd buy that would cost enough to require a broker. Your talking some heavy items to require that. I could see it happening, just not with me. Me and Smaug like to sit on our gold lol. It would have to be the ultimate Luna house or castle.
     
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    Just for clarification and I apologize if this has already been addressed. You said "account" above. Do you truly mean any character on the account or any character on the account for a the specific shard? Like the 400 million above would be available to any character on any shard or any character on the shard where the 400 million was transferred.
     
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    @Kyronix - I love the idea of converting gold into a non-physical form.

    Question #1: Will check forcibly be turned into this system or will it be something the player can choose to implement?

    Question #2: There are very old "white" checks in circulation. If forced change, will those be left alone or are they included in the switch?

    Suggestion: If gold piles and checks are to be forcibly removed, I'd like to make a suggestion. I'd suggest new player crafted items to represent the gold stacks/piles/deed in game. These items could require x amount of gold plus other ingredients and once made could not be turned back into currency. This would allow decorators the freedom to still use the graphics for decorating or players who enjoy displaying the wealth. You could even go one step further and create larger coin pile graphics for treasure rooms and really turn this into a positive change that adds to the game. Gold piles with chests imbedded, armor, jewelry etc.
     
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    Sort of, Brokers would not disappear, our job descriptions would just change. Instead of brokering individual deals like we do now, brokers would instead move to more large scale things like hosting auctions, or transferring people's items from one shard to another for them.