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Discussion in 'UHall' started by Lord Chaos, Sep 1, 2010.

  1. Lord Chaos

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    We already have our accounts linked when negative things happen. (like when banned)

    But what about linking accounts for positive things. Have it so that you can link accounts in the account management system.

    Linking accounts gives the following:

    - All characters on all linked accounts act like they're part of the same account gamewise. (ie. all chars count as owners of the houses)

    - All characters can use soulstones as if they were on the same account. (So I could move one skill from Account A to Account B.

    - Single account upgrades like extra slots, storage, etc. does NOT count on the other accounts, they still have to be purchased per account.

    - Possibility of character transfer between linked accounts.

    Possibly other benefits.


    Possible rules.

    - If you unlink an account, it cannot be relinked to any account within the next 6 months.
    - If you unlink from an account, you will still be responsible for anything bad happening on it for 2 years. Only by using EAs official account sale system can you have your link cleared completely.
    - Any action taken against any account that are linked are shared between all accounts. So if Account A gets a mark for UAM, then Account B and C gets one too.
    - All account marks are shared. If new accounts are linked, their marks get added to the existing marks on all accounts.
    - Accounts have to have been a paid account for at least 1 year to be able to be linked.

    This should prevent any abuse, throw-away accounts, character sales, etc.


    This would be a great thing for people who have many accounts and especially for families who play together.

    Thoughts?
     
  2. Petra Fyde

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    If it could be done in a realistic way that prevents abuse, I'd love it.
     
  3. Lord Chaos

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    The only abuse would be so minimal that its very much outweighed by the benefits.

    It would of course have to be well thought through before implementing, but it shouldn't be a major task for the devs as far as I can understand it.

    But for instance, on my wifes main account, we have a well trained archer and a well trained bard. Would love to have one of those two chars moved to a second account of hers or mine, so we could play them together. Since we've legitly trained our characters (no golem trick or anything), they represent considerable time investment, so couldn't just make a new one on the other account and start all over. (Bard skills takes ages to train legitly)
     
  4. Solipsist123

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    Love the thought.

    To me, being able to use veteran rewards with characters on younger but linked accounts would be a nice benefit.
     
  5. Lord Chaos

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    Nice idea...that in terms of usage, all accounts count as the age of the oldest linked account. But not in selection. (you can't select a year 12 reward on a 1 year account, even if linked)

    Also, in terms of ability bonus and skill bonus, all accounts should count as the oldest account. So if a veteran makes a new account, he doesn't have to wait 4 years before he can make full skill characters.
     
  6. Saunders

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    I'd like it for houses and soulstones, if it could be implemented as Petra says, without danger of abuse. On the other hand, younger accounts having the privileges of older ones (use of vet rewards, higher skills limit) would be too much of an advantage, I think.
     
  7. LadyKeroOfAtl

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    I'd love this idea simply because I could be atleast co owner on all my accounts to every house.
    I hate that I can't friend anyone to my houses because all my chests need to be set to friends since you can't have multiple co owns on your account.
     
  8. Minerva Foxglove

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    I would love it! For using soulstones and owning houses! Some of my chars would make so much more sence. Like my fisher would be my cook as well...
     
  9. Tazar

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    I love the general idea... but concerns come to mind when one account is later sold. This could easily end up with brokers selling skills/characters. How can that be prevented?
     
  10. AzSel

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    Yes. Me too
     
  11. Lord Frodo

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    Benefits of this would be great for all honest players. I could go along with this, if and only if, all accounts would have to have the same (CC/Email/billing address/upgrades/everything) account info on them to be linked.

    If not then you will run into people selling skills/chars to other players. This would prevent the sell of skills or give EA a way to track this. Or even better yet accounts have to stay linked for 6 mos. for account to account skill/char transfers to become permanent. If unlinked before 6 mos. then skills/char go in the trash bin and are lost forever.

    IE: I give my 1 yr account to a power gamer, he links it to a 4yr account; he scrolls out my chars and transfers all skills to my chars then unlinks it and gives it back. I now have a 720 skill limit on a 1 yr account with fully trained/scrolled out chars to play with.
     
  12. Lord Chaos

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    How so when they're owned by an already veteran player. Its really annoying as a 12+ year vet to wait 4 years MORE to just get a new account up to speed.

    Its sorta a moot point as you can already purchase both chars and skills even on your own chars.

    Honestly, at this point skills are already trained to death, so who cares.

    But ok, lets make it an issue. Then if risk of gaining marks on your account isn't enough. (who would want to link to a scripter/brokers account, when they risk it has marks on it) Then put a 6 month waiting limit before you can transfer chars. It won't make it impossible to do, but it will be risky. But people taking that risk would probably simply buy the skills outright or script it.

    That would make it useless for families and couples that play together. So not a good idea.

    Either that or 6 months link before you can even do it...see what I wrote further up.

    You would risk gaining his account marks permanently just to get skill training? (if you're going to cheat like that, then most would just script or buy the skill as you can already do for your chars)
     
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    As much as I would like to link accounts with loved ones and friends in hopes to help them out... I agree that this would just encourage account selling...
     
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    *note to self: do not get drawn into a long debate here*

    There are two distinct types of linking: between accounts belonging to one person, and between accounts belonging to different people (maybe a family).

    If the accounts belong to one person, then in general that person would be playing only one char, one account at a time, and then maybe it would make sense to allow a higher skills limit on a newer linked account, as though the newer char were attached to the older account.

    If the accounts belong to different people, and more than one is played at the same time, then EA has not benefited from the extra subscriptions on the younger account, and it doesn't make sense to allow a second player 4 years or so of benefits from linking to an older account.

    So: allow transfer of skill points limit, and only one character of a linked set of accounts to be logged in at once, or else do not allow transfer of skills limit.
     
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    So I go to one of the brokers and buy a blank 12 yr account and all of my other accounts can now use every reward? I think those that have the old accounts would get shafted by this.

    Whats to stop me buying the oldest account, moving my chars over and then closeing a 3 yr or one yr?
     
  16. Lord Frodo

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    Then this is a very bad idea. Skills will be swapped between accounts not owned by the same people.

    Hackers will love this. Not only will they take all your stuff but now they will strip your skills using craftable soulstone frags. Very bad idea.

    Guild members will love this. Now they can sell skills/chars to other guild members. Very bad idea.

    Player buys an account and strips skills/tranfers char then deletes account. Bad marks are gone with deleted account. Bad idea.

    I love this one the best. If you do not trust the person you are living with then you have bigger problems than UO.

    Sorry if these are not linked with EA (all accounts with same info) then allowing them to be linked in game is a very bad idea.
     
  17. Hurley

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    Ya, this is a bad idea.

    What's to stop some broker from just selling out account links or selling older, blank accounts just for linking. It would also allow Third-party Websites to sell full soulstones.

    It's unfair for people who only have one account. It's unfair for people who want to play the game honestly and earn their age and status and rewards. Quick reward with no work.

    Pointless and too easy to abuse. Two thumbs way down.
     
  18. Lord Chaos

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    I sometimes play with more than 1 char at once. Its not that hard to do completely legal.

    Maybe not, but in the end its a fairly moot point, as EA gains more by keeping family on equal level, instead of the dominos falling because one get disgusted over having to wait 4+ years to be on equal level with the other(s)

    Does it really affect anyone that Joe's son has 20 ekstra skill point limit? Other than making sure that Joe and his family keep chosing UO as their favorite pasttime?
     
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    Because you'd be stupid to buy it as potential marks on that account would transfer over to all your other accounts.

    Oh and people already sell accounts and skill training...so its a pretty moot point, you can already get all of this if you want.

    How? The soulstone would need to be tied to an account that has been linked to all your accounts for at least 6 months. Utterly a waste of time, as you can already buy 120 skills with delivery time under a week...why wait 6 months (and pay for 6 months)

    How, it benefits them, as it makes it easier for them to get a second account, instead of having to have that account for 4+ YEARS before its useful.

    Erhm, its exactly fair for people who have played hard and honestly, it allows for them to put their accounts on equal level, instead of having a confusing and annoying mess of different aged accounts and having to retrain and retrain skills for new accounts and chars, because the old account is full.
     
  20. Hurley

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    Is Joe's son having an extra 20 points of skill worth all of the downsides involved w/ a system like this?

    I've paid over $1500 to have my extra 20 points, why shouldn't Joe's son have to?

    If a new player wants an ethy, he can buy a charger.
    If he wants 20 extra points of skill he can imbue some jewelry.
    If he wants 120 magery, he can train just like everyone else did.

    Account linking is twinking to the extreme, and entirely open to exploitation.
     
  21. Lord Chaos

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    Not likely given the risk and time involved. Who would risk seriously getting their account banned ontop of having to waste 6 months (80+ dollars) on something you can get in less than a week for a couple of dollars.

    Yeah, because you'll keep a hacked account for 6 months. That makes sense.

    Even so, you'd be pretty dumb to accept an account from a shady person, as you risk that the combined marks between your and the persons account add up to suspension or ban. And its cumulative.

    So if you start with 0 Marks on all accounts.
    Buy an account with 1 mark on it, now all accounts have 1 mark.
    Buy another account with 1 mark on it, now all accounts have 2 marks on them.
    Buy another and whoops, you might be suspended/banned on all accounts.

    Who would be dumb enough to give up their accounts for 6+ months and who would be dumb enough to risk it in case their guildmate might have had marks on their account?

    Marks are linked account wide...so they are shared amongst all the accounts, deleting the account doesn't help you or protect you.

    You have to be registered with your real details, so its against the rules to register an account for someone else, they have to use their own details.
     
  22. Lord Chaos

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    There aren't any significant downside. They're all hypothetical and not practical.

    Because Joe paid 1500+ for it and this goes to Joes other accounts too. Its stupid greed to ignore the benefits over "wah, I paid, you all have to pay the same!"

    No really plausible examples have been shown, they're all too much work, for too little reward to cheat.

    This isn't just a new player we're talking about, this is mostly about veteran accounts and veterans with extra more new accounts.

    Like its annoying to have to wait 4+ more years for my newest account, ontop of already having waited 12+ years.

    Many veteran families play together too and as such it would be nice to be able to use things across their accounts, instead of working the same up over and over and over and over and over again.
     
  23. Lord Frodo

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    So now houses are linked. I have 2 accounts linked. I own a house on each account. I stop paying on 1 of the accounts. Now I own 2 houses on 1 account because it is linked to that account also. I start new accounts with 30 day time and just keep adding houses to the one account by linking them.

    Friend is linked to my account and he has same rights as I do to the house. What is to stop him from selling my house? He has all the same right as the owner so he can sell it under your system.

    This is a good idea for owners of multi-accounts only, that is why EA would have to require the same info on the accounts. This way EA knows you own all the accounts.
     
  24. Lord Chaos

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    First good point of the thread. Perhaps a slight modification to that all accounts share the usage age of the FIRST account. (or if the account is older it uses its own)

    That would prevent that issue completely, unless you buy a 12 year account first, then link from that...but really then we're far out that it really doesn't matter. Whats to stop someone from just buying a 12 year account and just playing that instead.

    Also, again, why link an unknown account when you risk getting marks along with it.

    Other than as an EA service it would likely cost money to transfer between linked accounts, just like shard transfer does, not so much. But then it would be easier just to remake the accounts if you really want to get willy with it like that.
     
  25. Lord Chaos

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    Uhm no, you might count as an owner level, but the house is still linked to ONE character on ONE account. If that account goes down, so does the house.

    So could someone you account share with...duuuh.

    And really, why would you link with a friend? Totally risky, even more than account sharing. You get his marks, he can access everything, etc. You'd have to be pretty dumb to do that.

    Also good for couples and households.

    There is of course the "omg, my wife ran off with my house", but they'd likely be sharing account info anyway, so she could do that anyway.
     
  26. Hurley

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    What you're suggesting is something that would be both a) time consuming and b) highly exploitable.

    ALSO, you're suggesting that if you buy enough accounts w/ 1 mark on them then you will eventually have your entire link perma-banned.
     
  27. Hurley

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    I mean, I'm reading all of your posts and none of it seems to make sense.

    Perhaps a slight modification to that all accounts share the usage age of the FIRST account. (or if the account is older it uses its own)

    What's that even mean? Wouldn't you just make the twelve year old account the first one, Circumventing your rule?

    Every time that someone posts something else, you change your rules. Maybe you should sit down and think about it, instead of just quoting and "refuting" everyone.
     
  28. Lord Frodo

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    We have shown you flaw after flaw of possible abuse. If you can not trust your family to have all these accounts on the same CC than you have a family problem. What is the big deal with having all your accounts and your wifes accounts on the same CC. If I didn't trust my wife to do this then we have BIG problems and id you don't trust your wife to do this than you do have BIG problems.
     
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    It would be to easy to get around. They cant link by IP due to the growing number of wireless networks. If they did eventually someone would get linked to someone else and things would be all sorts of screwed up. Witht that being said all i need to do is go buy a prepaid visa gift card or something of the sort and make a bogus user profile and bam unlinked accounts that cant be proven to be related.

    Also, if Golems were not legit then they should take them out of the game. Given i have not used a golem in years i do find myself chilling with people south of luna with golems and shooting the scat. AS LONG AS IT IS NOT UAMed then there is no problem with it.
     
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    While we are at it... lets make all the shards test shards where AOFs are on the ground and every one can be 120.0 in all skills. rolleyes:
     
  31. Hurley

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    That's what a lot of these posts amount to.

    We want UO to be more like Test Center. Give me free stuffz.
     
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    lol
     
  33. Lord Chaos

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    Not to develop. Especially not considering the benefits in the long run.

    Uhm no...the examples have been rebuked. Its theoretically possible to trade skills with it...but who in their right mind would be so stupid as to pay 80+ dollars, plus transfer fee, plus the risk to account, just to gain some skills you can go buy from a website for a couple of bucks or script yourself?

    Very quickly banned, as it doesn't take many marks. Also accounts might have more than 1 mark and there's no way of knowing. So its an extreme gamble to link with strangers.
     
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    1. You can't pay for infinite accounts.
    2. You risk overdrawing on one card. (many accounts drawing at the same time)
    3. Not everyone has shared economy.
    4. Not every couple is married.
    5. Its for more than just spouses.

    All of the abuses have so far been either rebuked outright or shown to be entirely implausible, as there are far easier ways to ALREADY do this.

    Other than I like to pay for my things and she pays for her things, then for us, not so much. But its different for every couple.

    This has nothing to do with trust.
     
  35. Lord Chaos

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    WTH...who talked about linking IPs? Just link account names, they are unique.
     
  36. Hurley

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    You've not developed anything, no benefits have been explained.

    You've not rebuked anyone, except w/ more crazy rules off the top of your head. Buying skills off of a website will be obsolete once you can just link accounts and transfer soulstones.

    What you're suggesting benefits only those w/ multiple accounts at the expense of being highly exploitable and wasting dev time that could be spent on the game.
     
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    I think a controlled experiment is needed .... Ill make 5 friends co-owners of my house and 5 complete strangers..... in a week(RT) ill see whats gone ...oh wait everything will be... I bet even my closest friends would "borrow some stuff" So now imagine the same experiment but with accounts instead of properties ...the scamming would be endless

    Although Chaos I do agree that hooking my son up with my account would be cool and helpful; I could always give him my password and have him continue the legacy!
     
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    I already made an example with that, please read.

    You can make the 12 year account your first account, IF you got it before you started linking, IF you dare risk it having marks on it, IF you didn't just use the 12 year account in the first place.

    But in those very very rare cases, then who cares...so what if they can now use ethereals and have a 720 skill limit. (if they didn't already have that on any account) What does it matter in the slightest?

    Sounds more like a sore butt syndrome than a real complaint.

    Uhm, no, but this is why its up for debate, to see possible changes and refinement. Most of the posts however are implausible exploits and unrealistic scenarios that aren't even remotely feasible.
     
  39. Hurley

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    You have yet to rebuke a single point, but have added more hypothetical rules from your "system".

    There are far easier ways to ALREADY do what you suggest. It's called TRAINING.

    I can play your game all day.
     
  40. Hurley

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    It matters in the slightest that those of us w/ a 720 skill limit and ethereals spent at least 4 years earning those things.
     
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    How would that be different than people sharing account login info, as they already do?

    Who the hell would link their accounts to friends and strangers...thats as stupid as giving them your login info.

    Sure, but this would allow both his and your account to continue the legacy, instead of his account possibly being fairly useless and yours awesome. Win for EA, as they get double income and win for you, as you two can share on equal level. Like if you have a treasure hunter on your account, but you'd rather play your archer, then your son could have the treasure hunter transferred (paid) to his account and play it with your archer.
     
  42. Hurley

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    Your rebuttals consist of quoting people and saying: "IF you want to risk getting a mark on your account" "You can already buy skills on websites" "People can already hack your account" "If someone was going to steal from you they already could" "I don't want to train a new char"

    You have yet to make a single point as to the benefits of a system like this.
     
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    I didn't spend 4 years earning those things, my account was already old enough when it was introduced.

    But heck, I could just buy a 4+ year old account and viola, didn't earn those things either.

    Your butt hurt level is amazing.
     
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    Where are you coming up with $80? What transfer fee? It is more than a couple buck to have someone train your skills for you.

    The examples have not been rebucked. This can still be abused. And here is the biggest issue you have not rebucked. You have a BIG trust issue putting your accounts on the same CC with your wife or trusting other family members.

    I paid for 6 accounts with family and very close friends with one CC and never once was there a trust issue with this. We all had each others account passwords too.

    Do you have your wifes password? My wife has all my passwords because I fully trust her. We have a joint checking account. We share the same bed. Hell we even eat out of the same frig. It is called we are married and fully trust each other.
     
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    I have played this game long enough to know that people make friends and get scammed in the end so thats what I was referring to .... then the trusting person says you can have my swordsman so we can play together and the scammer gets a swordsman on their account. I could also see guilds having scammer problems more than they already do... you have to remember that some people play this game to meet people and make friends and I feel for them the most....

    But I do agree it would be nice to hook my son up with one of my chars although then he would have the easy way out unlike all the training we did lol

    and then id sound something like this " in my day you had to train for your skills" :)
     
  46. Hurley

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    Chaos is just mad and resorting to childish **** such as saying peoples butts are hurt.

    Your idea is bad, it's pointless and opens up a whole new world of possibilities for exploitation.

    I figured it out: You must be a lobbyist from one of those websites that train skills, which you seem to be so familiar with. We're not going to stand by and watch you lobbyists exploit our government for fiscal gain.

    If you are incapable of coming up w/ an intelligent, fully developed idea then don't get mad when people tell you you're wrong. You can't even take other peoples well thought out points into consideration w/out curling up into a ball and lashing out.
     
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    Ok, fine, let me list some of the benefits.

    - It allows for proper house sharing between your own account and those very close to you. And as such is something many has been wanting.
    - It gives EA more money, as people will be more likely to start up new accounts, instead of clinging to their old ones because new accounts takes years and years to be able to do the same.
    - Makes it easier to use develop and experiment with chars, instead of having to retrain every skill on every account all over again.
    - Would help on the tediousness for veterans.
    - Makes it easier for couples to join in playing UO, especially if one is way older than the other. (acountwise)
    - Makes it easier for families to entice eachother to play. Instead of saying "hey son, try this great game daddy plays, but you have to wait 4+ years before you can do much of what I do"
    - Cuts down on illegal site usage/purchase of skills.

    etc.
     
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    If they would link their accounts to them, what would stop them from sharing their account info and get scammed that way?

    Hello?

    Don't we already sound like this to new players? heh.
     
  49. Lord Chaos

    Lord Chaos Always Present
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    LOL, because you are..."WAH WAH, I (maybe) waited 4 years for my benefits, then everyone else should suffer too!!!"

    Except in this entire thread, you haven't been able to come up with a single valid exploit.

    Uhm yeah, because I'd then lobby for something that would cut down on my profits...silly.
     
  50. Hurley

    Hurley Guest

    Co-ownership. Already in place

    A new acct code is 19.99, then 12.99 per month? An old acct is 12.99 per month? So instead of clinging to their old ones because new accounts take years and years to be able to do the same, they start a new acct and EA makes 7 dollars. That's what you're saying

    Soulstones.

    Whatever you say.

    Really? That doesn't even make sense. How would it change ANYTHING?

    My brother's acct is like 4 months old and he has a fully scrolled out character and can do everything in game that my 11+ year acct can do.


    It appears that the possible exploitations far outweigh these.... "benefits".