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Add A Casino

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Dungeon Master, Feb 25, 2008.

  1. i would like to see a casino or two added to this game where you can gamble against other players and npc optionally. the casino should not be like a modern day casino it should have a look and feel of a middle age or bibical time looking type of casino where you can play a wide variety of games to win gold and certain prizes.
     
  2. you could easily make your own and decorate it however you want... You'd be limited to animal fights, dice games, and lotteries, but still, its possible.
     
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    I wanna win gametime codez!
     
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    i would like to see a casino or two added to this game where you can gamble against other players and npc optionally. the casino should not be like a modern day casino it should have a look and feel of a middle age or bibical time looking type of casino where you can play a wide variety of games to win gold and certain prizes.

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    If EA incorporates a Casino into UO, they most likely would have to change the rating back to Mature. So that will never happen.
     
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    i would like to see a casino or two added to this game where you can gamble against other players and npc optionally. the casino should not be like a modern day casino it should have a look and feel of a middle age or bibical time looking type of casino where you can play a wide variety of games to win gold and certain prizes.

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    If EA incorporates a Casino into UO, they most likely would have to change the rating back to Mature. So that will never happen.

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    I don't know if i would say never the likes of Sims Online has casino games, love beds, spa baths and the likes......and it is an ea game.

    I think an NPC casino could be fun a chance to actually play cards against other players like the marjong...with martie jack pots perhaps....it might be a bit of a dream but still a cool idea.

    I know alot of players have started there own casino's with various games.
     
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    i would like to see a casino or two added to this game where you can gamble against other players and npc optionally. the casino should not be like a modern day casino it should have a look and feel of a middle age or bibical time looking type of casino where you can play a wide variety of games to win gold and certain prizes.

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    If EA incorporates a Casino into UO, they most likely would have to change the rating back to Mature. So that will never happen.

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    Are all the Final Fantasies Mature? I know there is betting in that game among other games.. so trying to figure out where the Mature line is when it comes to in-game gambling. Aren't raffles for all ages? What about their Pogo games? Is that Mature rated?
     
  7. Babble

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    Just use the dices and gamble?

    What I would really love to see is that people with stealing could influence the dices a bit :p
     
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    I have always been in favor of an npc ran casino being put into the game. It would be alot of fun, bring alot of players together into one area other than a bank and would create a huge gold sink. A million votes 'yes' from me!!
     
  9. Mr Artifact

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    i am all for it adding a casino would add alot of fun. one of the the only gold sinks i would approve of is a casino considering that casinos rake in more then they make and best of all it would be optional so we only play if we want to great idea.
     
  10. Dean478

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    I don't see the point of all this NPC reliance in a player driven virtual world.

    You have various items taht can be used to gamble, you have the perfect place (Buc's Den) so head on over there and set it up.

    I remember the gambling back at Britain Bank during The Second Age and Renaissance. Take it to Buc's Den where the casino was in Ultima 7, heck you've even got the baths nearby.

    By letting the players create their own worlds (which is the whole point of UO) the rating does not have to change as the agreement specifically states that "online experience may change".
     
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    The was a Casino on Legends during an Em event; lasted about 6 weeks, then issues forced it to be burned. If you visit Legends you can still see where it stood in Brit.
     
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    I think a casino would be an awesome gold sink. All the RL casinos don't stay open 'cause they're not making money. [​IMG]
     
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    I always suggested this. They could have it in Nu'Jelm which is Las Vegas like. It would be a great gold sink. [​IMG] It might lead to more pvp too when players start talking trash at the gaming tables. "Woo hoo! Come to papa!" *reaches for the gold* "Shut up, noob! You're anoying." "Duel me in Fel then!"
     
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    i would like to see a casino or two added to this game where you can gamble against other players and npc optionally. the casino should not be like a modern day casino it should have a look and feel of a middle age or bibical time looking type of casino where you can play a wide variety of games to win gold and certain prizes.

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    I've always said they should introduce it with the pirate expansion. It works thematically. And I say static npc casinos and optional player casinos. Better to get the gold out of the market.
     
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    +1 for Casinos!

    It would be really neat if the Casino also had an arena for PvP fights, tamed creature tournaments, and other events. Maybe it could be rented out for a really large sum, making it a good gold sink in addition to the casino. =)
     
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    +1 for Casinos!

    It would be really neat if the Casino also had an arena for PvP fights, tamed creature tournaments, and other events. Maybe it could be rented out for a really large sum, making it a good gold sink in addition to the casino. =)

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    There is already an arena in Jhelom and one outside of Malas. I think there is even one in New Haven (good for new players). Hopefully they can open up these first and make them a little more enticing.

    Again this is like the above Buc's Den facilities. Utilise the old world before introducing more areas.
     
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    I realize people can run their own casinos. However, the amount of real time involved to run them and the possible lack of trust others players might have with them make it hard for it to work consistently.

    An npc run casino would be open 24 hours a day and avoid the trust issues. Plus, you would have alot more options than the dice &amp; pet fights. You could have all the typical casino games but in a more appropriate theme (slots, blackjack, roulette, etc.).

    If I had to pick one thing to be added to the game, the casino would be it and I'm not even a gambler in real life. Just think this would add a really fun thing to do when you don't feel like going out adventuring. Just think of all the new people you would meet hanging out at the casino. And if you blew all your money, you would run out and kill a few more baddies to get just enough gold for one last pull on the slot machine, lol.
     
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    There is already a Casino in the game. It is called, "Random Resources". hehe
     
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    I realize people can run their own casinos. However, the amount of real time involved to run them and the possible lack of trust others players might have with them make it hard for it to work consistently.

    An npc run casino would be open 24 hours a day and avoid the trust issues. Plus, you would have alot more options than the dice &amp; pet fights. You could have all the typical casino games but in a more appropriate theme (slots, blackjack, roulette, etc.).

    If I had to pick one thing to be added to the game, the casino would be it and I'm not even a gambler in real life. Just think this would add a really fun thing to do when you don't feel like going out adventuring. Just think of all the new people you would meet hanging out at the casino. And if you blew all your money, you would run out and kill a few more baddies to get just enough gold for one last pull on the slot machine, lol.

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    Fair enough. What would you prefer though? A casino type "broker" or just an NPC that you deal with solo?

    I think what many people want here is some sort of mechanic to moderate the gambling, but leave the actualy substance in the hands of the players. For example, a player run casino, played by and hosted by players and between players. However there is no cheating, because just like guards (used to) prevent criminal deeds, so to does the casino NPC.
     
  20. Guest

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    ooooooooooooooooooooooooo nice idea!
     
  21. jerseyboy

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    casinos suck!!!

    on another note if u want to gamble in game go see cigo..he has somethin for ya!
     
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    The was a Casino on Legends during an Em event; lasted about 6 weeks, then issues forced it to be burned. If you visit Legends you can still see where it stood in Brit.

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    Thats cause they allowed players to run it and give out items and such. But I will admit, it was fun, but allowing players to run it shouldnt have been an option lolz.
     
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    A great gold sink idea. i give u odds of 5-1 it will never happen [​IMG]
     
  24. I for one am all for the casino idea... and not just because it would be a great gold sink, but also because it has so much potential to it...

    Some jackpots could be prizes, and not gold... I've seen rl places give away cars, and trips and many other things... How about some things that can only be won from the casinos... special colored cloth, or dyes, an ethy cow [​IMG], an 'I went to Las Vesper and I'll won was this lousy shirt' shirt...

    maybe new types of shops could spring up around the casino... you could buy really cheap deco items that decay after you unlock them too many times hehehe...

    anyways... I vote 'Yes' on Proposition 42...

    'I'm leaving Las Vesper'
     
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    The complications and legal issues of such a simple thing…
    http://www.joewager.com/legal-gambling.htm

    More obtuse from the US Department of Justice…
    http://www.usdoj.gov/criminal/cybercrime/ecommerce.html

    And the US GAO
    http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d0389.pdf


    What you say…this is just UO Gold, not REAL money…oh contraire….
    Buying gold in one country, gambling and deliberately loosing, so that another person in another country can sell the gold….aka International money laundering.

    Then there is the issue of money laundering by criminal organizations…
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/1149984.stm
    http://www.world-check.com/media/d/content_pressarticle_reference/Virtual_Worlds_Clear_and_Present_Danger_for_Money_Laundering.pdf


    Think that’s just the offshore real cash casinos? Think again…
    From the MMORPG
    http://mmorpg.qj.net/WoW-Second-Life-possible-money-laundering-machines/pg/49/aid/102737

    From the US Department of Justice……
    http://www.usdoj.gov/ndic/pubs25/25921/finance.htm
    Quote from page…”New technologies, including online and mobile payment systems and online role-playing games, may provide drug traffickers with more innovative ways to launder illicit proceeds.”

    And Sony’s pain…
    http://www.world-check.com/media/d/content_pressarticle_reference/Virtual_Worlds_Clear_and_Present_Danger_for_Money_Laundering.pdf


    So…online gambling in UO = UO being used by the Mafia, Narco, Costro, Al Quida and other international crime groups to launder illegal gains for child pornography, drugs, human trafficking etc etc….


    Lets not…..
     
  26. People play games of risk like the Doom lottery, and then sell their winnings on Ebay already. So how would a simulated 'casino' differ in the eyes of US law?
     
  27. Actually Whispering Rose Radio runs a casino 2x a month we all have a blast we even have a type of roulette on the roof(lich ball with DJ Urlacker). It is also a cross shard event. You can take your gold from one shard and Sandman will take it on your home shard and give it to you on the shard hosting the casino free of charge and then transfer your winnings back after casino is done(currently we only have one on sonoma)
    It is just a blast! here is a linky with more info and the next one is coming up on March 15th linky
     
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    Heck yeah! My vote is YES! Fantastic idea.
     
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    Only if there are strippers.
     
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    As in real life versus video games. I can go to an arcade and pay 25 cents to $5.00 to play a game. These arcades are made for players of all ages. Thus if UO's new "Live Team" wishes to develop a casino style gaming facility following a similar model there is no reason UO would have to be rated mature to buy or play.

    For instance, I know that an NPC Casino could involve paying gold (like cash) for each chance to play a one player game like many arcade games such as skee-ball, if you do well you earn tickets. These tickets (like casino chips) can be accumulated in great quantities so that inevitably they can be handed in for prizes. Even placing bets on the outcome results of PvM gladiator style fights could be done in the exact same way based on the difficulty of the monster versus the Unknown Player based on UO calculated odds of player skills versus random monster skills.

    The anonymous Unknown Player is key. This means instituting a que system much like GM wait time that doesn't reveal your actual wait time. When you enter the arena, players can only see generic looking character fighting the monster, but have no clue who the contender is. Thus no rigging the system. Create negative effects on characters who lose, lose a lot, and lose all the time.

    The collection models at the library, museum, and zoo have a very similar concept, except that it is guaranteed so many resources/gold for this such prize. While most casino games are based on luck which could be quantitatively be integrated into some of the games. Thus creating another reason for Luck armor. In addition, some games could be set aside to include ways of cheating based on a thief's skill check for snooping the deck, stealing/switching the dice, and/or not limited to bluffing.

    Now what kind of games would be appropriate for players of all ages? Lets come up with some ideas to help the development team out. Imagine some simple concepts first. I personally believe in more multi-player interaction the better. I also like scaled competition where there is a starting season and end season in relationship to rank &amp; score. In addition games geared towards every player's character template would be an exceptional bonus.

    The Umbra Arena would be one good place to start for PvP &amp; PvM.
    Buccaneer's Den is definitely an excellent idea for cards, dice, and roulette.
    Luna's Bag Ball Arena could be used and expanded.
    Wind could have an exclusive wheel of destiny, random good &amp; bad results.
    Tokuno could have Asian style gaming for ninjas &amp; samurai.

    The more variations, styles, places, the better, and wait times can be instituted for crowded games so everyone gets a turn in the que. No different than waiting on a GM.
     
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    I always suggested this. They could have it in Nu'Jelm which is Las Vegas like. It would be a great gold sink. [​IMG] It might lead to more pvp too when players start talking trash at the gaming tables. "Woo hoo! Come to papa!" *reaches for the gold* "Shut up, noob! You're anoying." "Duel me in Fel then!"

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    I have always seen Nu'Jelm as an Arabian style region that should have a black market bazaar. One major use for an NPC black market could be to "clean up britannia" hand in items in exchange for black market rares much like the collections of the museum, library, and zoo, but instead odd items given arbitrated values set by the developers. Could be a good way to get rid of rubble, ophidian items, firecrackers, and other unappreciated items instead of just throwing them away with no value at all.
     
  32. Guest

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    I think it would be a good idea honestly!
     
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    The complications and legal issues of such a simple thing…
    http://www.joewager.com/legal-gambling.htm

    More obtuse from the US Department of Justice…
    http://www.usdoj.gov/criminal/cybercrime/ecommerce.html

    And the US GAO
    http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d0389.pdf


    What you say…this is just UO Gold, not REAL money…oh contraire….
    Buying gold in one country, gambling and deliberately loosing, so that another person in another country can sell the gold….aka International money laundering.

    Then there is the issue of money laundering by criminal organizations…
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/1149984.stm
    http://www.world-check.com/media/d/content_pressarticle_reference/Virtual_Worlds_Clear_and_Present_Danger_for_Money_Laundering.pdf


    Think that’s just the offshore real cash casinos? Think again…
    From the MMORPG
    http://mmorpg.qj.net/WoW-Second-Life-possible-money-laundering-machines/pg/49/aid/102737

    From the US Department of Justice……
    http://www.usdoj.gov/ndic/pubs25/25921/finance.htm
    Quote from page…”New technologies, including online and mobile payment systems and online role-playing games, may provide drug traffickers with more innovative ways to launder illicit proceeds.”

    And Sony’s pain…
    http://www.world-check.com/media/d/content_pressarticle_reference/Virtual_Worlds_Clear_and_Present_Danger_for_Money_Laundering.pdf


    So…online gambling in UO = UO being used by the Mafia, Narco, Costro, Al Quida and other international crime groups to launder illegal gains for child pornography, drugs, human trafficking etc etc….


    Lets not…..

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    Not that I'm doubt your sources here, but these articles sound more like propaganda, than anything else...

    Plus I'm sure if international Criminal and terrorist organizations want to use MMOs as a way to launder money, they will do it with or without the games having casinos or gambling in them...

    I still say vote 'Yes' on Proposition 42
     
  34. J0KING

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    Personally love the idea of an NPC run casino!!!

    It would be a great gold sink...

    If anything to avoid legal issues, the gold that they gamble gets traded for lets say points or chips. The players can then accumulate points/chips and trade them in for certain items at the casino. This would be very similar to how the Community Rewards work with the exception of instead of turning in resources to gather points you are actually turning in gold to play games with. Technically since you are not getting anything specific for your gold value... it can not be considered gambling [​IMG]
     
  35. lol I like your idea Joking. Reminds me of when I take my kids to Chuck-E-Cheese. lol
     
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    I agree totally, I said it months ago......one of the original ultimas in NES form had a casino, graphics sucked, but it was addictive......poker would be sweet. [​IMG]
     
  37. Another MMO game I play (Puzzle Pirates, it rocks! [​IMG]) has a casino/gambling system set up so that people can play poker, hearts, spades, coin drop and game-specific things like brawling, swordfighting etc. While there is, unsurprisingly, a part of the playerbase who complain that people spend more time at the tables than out on the open sea fighting for gold I think its a great idea and adds much more variety to the game. Nothing like getting a Royal Flush on a table with stakes in the millions [​IMG]
     
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    lol I like your idea Joking. Reminds me of when I take my kids to Chuck-E-Cheese. lol

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    Will there be a ball pit for us too?

    [​IMG]
     
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    KILLJOY!!! [​IMG]

    One more vote for adding a casino.