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Discussion in 'UHall' started by Lord Gareth, Feb 22, 2009.

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  1. Lord Gareth

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    After much thought and threats of being hunted down killed ressed, killed, re-ressed X10,000 by the Chesapeake community and a few responses on competitions and you cannot please everyone I think more would be upset then were and I guess the person who was hitting me the hardest was the same person with multiple log in names.

    I wrote to retract it because I thought it was the right thing to do and that people wouldn't be having 5,000,000 polls or calling others cheats.

    Next Time I Will Be More Prepared When They Have A Re-Build The Entire Magincia City Event And I Win That!
     
  2. BlissMarie

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    Gareth, don't do that. There will always be naysayers, whiners, critics, etc. You won the competition fair and square. Don't be discouraged.
     
  3. DevilsOwn

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    not the way to go, Gareth

    competition was open to all... your design was selected as winner..

    there is no way any player was going to make all the other players happy with any design.... sheeesh, the dev team has been trying to do that for eleven years and it hasn't happened

    that you let all this b****'n get to ya saddens me... there are some on UHall with no basic manners, you need to learn to either laugh or pity them
     
  4. kulder

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    I agree with BlissMarie, I didnt win but I am very proud that my GuildMistress did as you should be for taking the time to come up with the winning design.
    And you've been around the Uhall block enough times to know who to put on ignore
     
  5. Bara

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    Too bad.



    Just to get this out there: Your design is brilliant. It is, by far, my favorite. No offense to all the other entries, I liked them all, but Gareth's really stood out as exceptional to me.

    That being said. When someone is creative, and does something honest to their inspiration, it has a certain ineffable value. It also is bound to irritate the hell out of someone out there in the world. At the risk of sounding dramatic, does that diminish the artists work? It can't, and it shouldn't.

    Think about this. Put 99 sane, balanced people in a room, and one yelling lunatic. If someone were to pass by this room and look in, who would be the one person standing out? The raving lunatic. There will always be detractors. Always. If someone managed to "fix" the global economic problem right now, there would still be some dude out on his lawn with a loudspeaker yelling about how horrible it is.

    Everyone has a voice. Sure, but it is your responsibility on how you react to them. By pulling out of the competition because a literal handfull of people are pancakes on forums... I wouldn't really consider that wise.

    Vocal minorities can be powerful and valuable things. Do you really believe they diserve to be in this case? Especially when some of those voices are from gimic accounts. ;)

    Man.

    Okay, I admit to being crass at times... I'm generally a really nice guy, but occasionally I can get worked up and end up spitting venom when I don't need to.

    That in mind, I ask that you believe me when I say that I mean no disrespect when I say this... but I believe you are being a bit dramatic at this time. Really think about what you said "I do not want to be a dividing force within the community."

    I realize that you are feeling this now, but think about it.

    The people who post on these forums are a miniscule fraction of the uo playerbase. A tiny, almost insignifigant number in the big picture. A small collection of very vocal, often wonderful and opinionated people.

    You aren't dividing the playerbase....

    A handfull of people on here are mabey upset... Mabey a few of those are internet trolls.

    And you're going to let that phase you?

    I ask you, to just take some time to consider all of this. You did a great bank, and the uo playerbase deserves to experience it.
     
  6. Lord Gareth

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    As I said my personal feeling I don't believe should outweigh the feelings of the community. I'M sure ill get trolled for writing this as a pity me but,

    I am in the line of work of building communities and bringing people together. Not destabilizing them and making people in the community upset.

    Thank you for you warm responses but I still do wish EA/Mythic didn't pick my design and wish for them to pick the next best entry or leave the WBB empty like it is on the Chesapeake shard and no use what so ever like it is now.

    I don't mean to be dramatic as you wrote but my passion has hurt part of the Chesapeake community at times.

    I do not feel asking EA/Mythic to do the runner ups design or not do anything at all destabilizing or letting people get to me. I just wish for my design to be removed from the winning designs so I do not have to deal with all of this. I don't want to deal with it and don't want to read about it. I do wish I would have never ever ever made a design and submitted it.
     
  7. Petra Fyde

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    1) Do the people who criticized your design play on Chesapeake?
    2) Have you taken into account the content of my last post on that thread?
    3) Are the negative opinions those of people who's opinion you value?
    4) Do those people who dislike your design have the right to deprive your shard-mates of the beauty of your creation?
     
  8. Bara

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    I hazzard a guess that you would risk pissing off more people if you continue to pursue your current action.

    Listen to the community if it's so important to you.

    We are saying, no. ;)

    You don't get to pull out.
     
  9. BlissMarie

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    Pfft. I guess someone could start a poll and see how the community really weighs in. I seriously doubt the complainers outweigh those who either like your design or are indifferent.
     
  10. Petra Fyde

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    Noooo, please don't do that. Take pity on a poor beleaguered adminny lass and don't do that!

    :bowdown:
     
  11. Bara

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    10 bucks says gareth needs to spend time in the drunk tank. ;)

    I just looked over the ches threads and all i found were two people who were a little concerned about lag...
     
  12. BlissMarie

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    hehe I won't do that to you. =) We probably haven't seen the end of the poll outbreak though. Seems to be a bit contagious.
     
  13. Lord Gareth

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    We can go and get drunk together in the tank :)

    As I said in a private message winning just doesn't see worth it to me. Id rather be taken out and go back to what Ive been doing. PaxOku City, adventures mall with normal priceing and My free auction house for the Chesapeake community.

    So if you wanna hit up the drunk tank I only do shots of Crown Royal Warm.
     
  14. BlissMarie

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    When I first read his post I was thinking he might be needing a nap. :lick:

    Whatever the reason for it, I think he needs to retract his request and at least think the situation over again.
     
  15. Bara

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    hehe sounds good.


    Again, I have to say, please don't take this the wrong way. But I don't believe this is about you at this point. It's about the wonderful bank submission that the dev team believed was worthy.

    And the voices of the community who are saying no! ;)

    Edit: I agree. At least take some time to think things over. :)
     
  16. BlissMarie

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    Ooooh that's what I used to drink! I don't do anything now, though. :eek:
     
  17. LordNoximos

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    The truth is, I designed that bank for Gareth & let him submit it.

    Talk smack about Gareth, I'll energy bolt you.
     
  18. Ravenspyre

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    Garreth, this community hasn't been happy with itself since 3 months after UO went gold. This community has been incapable of doing anything but complain, flame and rag any amount of change that happens, because this community believes that being stuck at one point in time is going to be fun. No one is going to be happy, because this community has the strongest point of euphoric recall around the world, and believes only one point in history is the best. Unfortunately, no one can agree which point in that history is the best, though they will make believe they do.

    You can't make these people happy, it's as simple as that Garreth. Most of their angst comes from their jealousy, but the rest of it comes from the fact they hate change in a game that sorely needs change. The bad part is, they know it needs a change but they reject it at every convenience. You don't even have to travel far to see them reject said change. Just watch their reaction with anything of the mention of Ren, T2A, 3D, or even the latest client changes. nothing wrong, art wise or anything else with the new client (even saw people complaining the new client was faster than the 2D client) and people still reject it just because they want to.
     
  19. Bara

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    I rarely drink anymore myself. Occasionally I like a good beer. Favorite being Sammy Smith's oatmeal stout. I also love a good red zinfandel.

    I must be getting old...

    Oh well! :pint:
     
  20. Teeshy

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    Pfft! You take that back! It's 1am, which is WAY past my bed time. My ping to Chessy was WELL over 1100, and I just *limped* a character to the Inn right by WBB ready to log in and look at it when it's up!

    *glares*

    Take it back!

    (nb - if my eyes were open, they would be glaring that is!)
     
  21. MudFace

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    Um too late! dont you know that when UO makes up its mind on something its a done deal? no matter how hard you try to get them to change it lol so id say your bank entry is a done deal (which looks freaking awsome by the way) :D go have a few drinks get L**** youll be fine :lick:
     
  22. phantus

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    1 set of crybabies causes a problem and another set of crybabies springs from their solution. Don't let anymore crybabies win Gareth.
     
  23. LadyNico

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    Gareth, jealousy and envy can do strange things to some otherwise rather decent folks.

    Rather than dwelling on what the few vocal naysayers are blithering on about, why not focus instead on the vast majority of folks who may not yet have had the opportunity of warmly congratulating you on making a permanent mark upon your shard?
     
  24. Harlequin

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    Didn't read this thread earlier as I thought it was a prob with dissappearing NPC bankers.


    You bluddy idjiot (that's not a typo)!

    Now you've gone and insulted all the folks that thought your design was brilliant, the UO team that pored over all the entries and selected your design, and the spirit of the contest. In certain cultures, rejecting an honor that the host has bestowed upon you is an insult of the highest magnitude.

    Different people have vastly differing views. What works for some will not work for others. Just like in real life. There is no split, just a difference in opinions.

    That's also the beauty about it, 1 person sees the perfect answer to everything, and another just wants to nail the guy to a cross for having such outlandish ideas. You get to see views from different angles and you always learn something new. But all UO'rs love 1 thing in common, UO.

    Well, except people that have quit/been banned and tries to discredit UO once in a while or other sourpuss'es. Can't stand those people - *whispers* Do not fall for their tricks!

    Personally, I am a great fan of marrying utility into design. Your design has done that wonderfully. Nothing wrong with making it as useful as Luna.

    Now take that back, don't make me come to Chessie and have my minions cuff you on that rattling cranium of yours.
     
  25. Arcus

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    Curiosity has got to me.

    Can someone post pics of it?
     
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    Lord Gareth, just a question: are you upset about something in the game or upset about something being said on the boards?

    (I'm still feeling more than a little confused ... I haven't seen any negative reactions to your win)
     
  27. DevilsOwn

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    Arcus, I think most of the winning designs have been posted in the results thread
     
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    I like your design, Gareth.. it's a bit busy, but it still works really well. Don't let a few complainers influence you... thought that was the obvious message going around recently, anyway.
     
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    dont worry man, the way things are going everyone will get their own personal WBB design they can visit anytime to bank. it just wont have their name on it.
     
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    Don't remove it. Your design is sweet.
     
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    Sir, if you had 100 sewer rats knitting blaze sweaters on the roof or 100 npcs passing out million dollar checks someone would gripe.

    It is a given is all.

    Please stop second guessing yourself. Please.

    You are better than this.

    I will go to Chessy to see YOUR design. Please be sure it is there. :)
     
  32. In case you missed my reply in the other thread.... Gareth, your bank design is awesome and I cant wait to see it in place! Thank you for making Chesapeake proud! :)
     
  33. Sweety

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    Ditto
     
  34. Karthcove

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    Any and all time the Devs put into reviewing and pre-coding of your design should be billed to your account if removal/change occurs :)

    Didn't the design become property of EA once you submitted it?
     
  35. Lord Gareth, I very much understand how you are feeling, and how you believe the honorable thing to do now is to simply withdrawal as the winner. You believe that by making this noble gesture, peace and tranquility will return to the community. It wont.

    I, myself, have done this same thing most recently. In fact, I declined to even participate in this contest because I didnt want to have to deal with any of the negativity should I win. The sad part is that decorating and designing houses on this game is and always has been my favorite part of the game.

    Gareth, what I did was wrong and so are you!

    If you read all the posts above this one and actually pay attention to what is being told to you, you will know that the people are telling you the truth.

    It doesnt matter what you do in this game, there is always going to be those few folks who will want to complain about it. Its just really a part of the vast personalities of the people that play this game.

    Lady Nico hit the nail right on the head when she said "jealousy and envy can do strange things to some otherwise rather decent folks.". That has alot to do with some of the complaints. Look at your design! Its beautiful.

    Bottom line is this...I regret not entering. And although the winner of the design for Origin was probably better than I could have ever done, I still regret not participating because I ws too concerned about what a few people would think.

    Gareth, if you do this, you too will someday regret it. You can bank on that! (No pun intended) :)
     
  36. Alvinho

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    Once a entry was submitted, it essentially became property of EA/Mythic to do as they feel with it. It was chosen as a winner and will become integrated in the game design.

    I wish the extrodinary design was chosen for Great Lakes and not teh simple one useing a ITPP
     
  37. Flora Green

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    Lord Gareth,

    Dhara's design is either not completed on Origin or they are not using her ideas for the back room of the bank. Since your design is now property of EA, they may alter some of your design if lag is a concern. But, why would they pick it, even if a couple of things might need changed, if team the didn't feel it's the best design overall?
     
  38. Flora Green

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    And here we go....
     
  39. Stupid Miner

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    What are you talking about? your design is great! There's really something there for everyone. Yea, the design is busy, but serious, it's a BANK, it's supposed to be busy :D. Seriously, this is West Brit Bank we're talking about, the center of the UO economy; it's busy and it's extravagant. That's the way it's historically been and that's the way it should be! It's like saying New York is busy! (well duh! rolleyes:).

    Anyway, your design is great! yours is definitely one of the best designs. :D
     
  40. Dragonchilde

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    Gareth, I'm a member of the Chesapeake community, and in fact, your guild!

    I'm not only dumbfounded, but more than a little annoyed by your post. you created something fantastic, that I'm really looking forward to seeing implemented. I want this bank!

    I'm willing to bet that if you actually polled the majority of chesapeake, they'd agree with me. Ask on the alliance. They'll tell you. You need to step back, take a breath, and remind yourself that the community is FAR larger than the UHall. And the people here? Were mostly shouted down by a large portion of other people. The majority rules, and in this case, the majority is telling you that it rocks.

    If you withdraw this entry, and they don't implement it as a result, you'll be taking away Chesapeake's honor of having THE MOST awesome bank of all, and I will personally take it upon myself to follow you around the game taunting you every chance I get.

    I mean that.
     
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    I didn't get to see your design but by your description it seems as though you put a lot of thought and heart into it. You made the effort using your own, personal time to help the community. How many that complained actually entered or really gave a hoot? I'm sorry that the comments others have made led you to this decision. The design was chosen by those that do this type of work daily - be proud!

    Don't base what you do upon the happiness of others in this game. It'll never work in your favor. Trust me. I've had issues with people in the past on this shard and others trying to do things to affect me negatively. I don't lose any sleep over it. =)
     
  42. Dhara

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    We are all receiving complaints. It's not just you. My brother sat on one of my new benches at the Origin WBB yesterday and heard LOTS of compliments and a few "is this all?" type of comments. I choose to listen to the compliments instead of the complaints. NO design will please them all. I'm a minimalists and my design reflects that, but regardless people have stated that it is too plain. So you see, if you had toned your design down then you would be in my shoes with people wondering where all the "stuff" was. You just cannot please everyone. It is impossible so quit worrying about it and try to enjoy the fact that your design impressed someone at EA enough to win. THAT is the real prize here and if you default to the runner up, then taht person will most likely hear his or her own round of compliants too. You have to ignore the naysayers and listen to the people who really LOVE this game enough to realize that we are about to have a different style bank on EVERY shard - and that is fantastic!
     
  43. I am back playing on atlantic[after taking a brief leave for a few months]
    I know vladimier and no offense to him or others that made nice designs..I like yours overall.It has a lil something for everything and i love it.

    Listening to people on the boards,whine,*****,complain shouldn't push you in the wrong direction.This was YOUR design you worked hard on and it WON!!!

    my 2 cents,
    Mike
    Atlantic shard.
     
  44. GhostGL

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    I like your desgin. Yeah might be a little busy, but yours has a forge. And best of all yours has a moongate! Something i wish all the winners would of included in their desgin. I think that's about the only thing that would really bring more people back to Britain.
     
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    Gareth, I promise that if you withdrawal your entry from Chessy, my character there and anyone one else I can find on the shard will kick your behind from WBB to Doom and back again.

    As others have stated, the design wasn't going to please everyone and UHall does not have a reputation for mature, intelligent and pleasant discussions.

    WildStar
     
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    Gareth,
    I, too, think you should reconsider this. The old adage: "You can please all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot please all the people all the time." is appropriate in this instance.

    When I was reading some of the negative remarks regarding the winners, I had to wonder just how many of those people had taken the time to submit a design or had just sat back to wait to see who won so they could start picking the design apart.

    You worked hard on that design, and you won. And you pleased the people who matter the most.
     
  47. Gareth:

    I am not a Chessy player, I play on Atlantic, but I was really hoping to create a character on Chessy just to see this bank! Seriously! If you go back to the thread where the winners were announced, I responded to your design there.

    I do not mean this as an offense to any of the winners, but I was sort of hoping EA would have a run-off, and that somehow we might get your design on Atlantic! :)

    For what it is worth, I have been on UO since the beta, and I think your design is incredible! Don't listen to anyone that says otherwise.

    I do agree with some of the others that the Fel banks should be left alone. But I would hate to see your design not implemented on Trammel.

    Remember this:

    No matter what gets changed, there will always be some that complain no matter what. This is your chance to leave a legacy in this game...don't let the naysayers ruin that for you. As an old time vet, I would love to have some sort of lasting legacy in game! It was players like you that made Ultima Online what it was, what it is, and now...what it will be!
     
  48. Lunaticus

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    *wonders where one lines up for a sewer rat knitted blaze sweater*

    Gareth, don't you dare pull out of this contest. You won fair and square! I don't live on Chessy, but I will be sure to stop by and see your design!
     
  49. Nastia Cross

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    Gareth, the people of Chessy WANT your design to be implemented. Yes we know the devs might not put it in exactly as you designed it (for several reasons they mentioned in the rules), but I trust that they will maintain as much of your design as possible while ensuring the integrity of our ping (aka keep the lag monster at bay). I understand you're disheartened by the criticism in the other thread but YOU were the one chosen. This is the reason the community as a whole was not allowed to chose the winning designs, because it would have resulted in trolling, fighting and harsh words, instead of support and constructive, positive criticism.

    Bottom line, out of all the designs I have seen, yours is the most creative and thoughtful. Your interior design is sublime and mimics a real bank so wonderfully. End your pity party and enjoy with pride the win you have earned!
     
  50. Millie

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    People are going to Pee, moan, jerk and melodrama about this contest until EA decides to never give any of us another chance at any contest ever. We have herd cheater cheater yelled and and rude people disgracing designs because they are jealous,or such jerks that they have to tear someone down to make them look taller. We have had the "I know I couldn't of lost." Ea lost my work, they lost the work of someone else. Now we have some one willing to be the martyr and give up everything he won fair and square because of a few jerks.
    There are a lot more people on Chesapeake then the ones that post on these boards and A lot of them will love the design. It's good work and you should not let any one take that away form you. Really Who cares what they think. If you did your best and you won live in to glory of it you earned it.
    Oh and by way Origin Has their bank done and It looks great. Yours will too. Don't give up
     
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