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afternoon wasted and not in a good way.

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Voodoo Bad Mojo, Apr 13, 2014.

  1. Voodoo Bad Mojo

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    some days it would just be nice if this game THAT WE PAY FOR would work as intended.

    i dont even know who to blame anymore for it.
    blaming the dev's hasnt worked for 16 years so im at a lose as for who i should be cursing.

    i decided id spend the afternoon tweaking my Gargoyles suit.
    needed to upgrade his necklace.
    decided id make him one of those new Amulets.
    so i spend a hour making some out of iron till i get the one i want with the resists 'just right' then i go and spend another 2 hours farming up some resources for the imbuing.
    then i go mining and get some agapite cause thats what i need to enhance to get the resistances up to where i want this piece.
    so then i do a couple BODs to get 2 powders and powder up the amulet.
    then i imbue it with all the stuff i need.
    then i go get my Forged Metal Artifact and use it to enhance the agapite and i get success...... and nothing happens.

    total time invested 4 hours.
    outcome.... failure.

    so is there a reason WHY the amulets are not enhancing even though they say they are and they change their hue to the new metal?

    end of the day, afternoon wasted away from my wife and kids and i STILL dont have the piece i need and ive wasted money and resources that i cant get back.

    times like this make me wonder why i still invest money in something that dosnt work.
    what is the definition of insanity???
    doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results?
    so i pay for multiple account every month and expect the game to one day be fixed....
    dammit... im insane.
     
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  2. Zosimus

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    So if this would of worked instead of failing, and I am only being logical and not trying to anger you, wouldn't of you still of "end of the day, afternoon wasted away from my wife and kids" as you stated.

    It would of been the same result. I know because it failed, it seems worse, but you would of had the same result if it worked. It's just to much time to try to put together the right suit. Yet again UO is a sandbox game and it's a time consumer.
     
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  3. Merus

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    Having the piece you spent all afternoon working for is NOT the same as NOT having the piece you spent all afternoon working for.
     
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  4. Viper09

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    Does the amulet not work for your suit as it is? If it does, I would hardly call everything you did prior to the enhancing attempt a waste.
     
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    Look on the bright side, this thread of warning will save countless wasted hours for at least a half dozen other players. If you could add up all of the afternoons you saved by posting this I am sure you would see that you now have extra time on your hands.
     
  6. Picus of Napa

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    I went to shop at walmart...not sure who the really wasted an afternoon.
     
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  7. Tjalle

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    Sometimes you have to put an enhanced piece in a different container for the game to update the numbers.
    Try moving it around a little and see what happens.
     
  8. Lady Storm

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    Omg you got time to yourself... away from kids and wife. worth: the 4 hours you missed being with your kids and wife...
    This game is for pleasure on free time for your brain to exaust out the stress. Not an escape from your family whom i assume you love dearly.
    You got further then 99% of us kiddo. Hell I'd of failed a few dozzen times if i tried all you did. And it would have taken far more time too.

    Your skill is not in question... the time is not ether.
    Your pitching a ***** that the last smiggen of umph for it didnt show up.... are you sure? did you look at all possibilitys?
    I ould have asked Kyronix or any of the other dev a question on the matter and if it was a fail then give the piece a go as is.
    You sir just blamed the game for wasting your time....
    The only one who wasted anything was you. kids grow so fast time you get with is precious.
    One day that pretty wife of yours wont be there to say good night to or kiss.
    Time has a way of removeing that which we covet.
    UO is an escape from the world in general not your family...
    Be happy you have them all and the time in which to flitter away...
     
  9. Promathia

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    Yea, who needs the game to work properly.
     
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    Yeah bro that does suck. I know what ya mean. When the game is supposed to do something in some way and it don't that piss anyone off.

    Like you plant an apple tree... spend years growing it... that first harvest comes and you get a damn watermelon. lol
     
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    I like watermelons.
     
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  12. Voodoo Bad Mojo

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    when you invest 4 hours per piece of your suit your not the kind of person who tolerates only achieving 96%, if you spend a week building a suit your the kinda person who only wants the best.
    while the piece is functional its missing 15 resist points which leaves my suits total below 70 on 3 of the resistances.
    while that may be ok for most people there are some of us who take pride in what we make and we play this game at a high level (either soloing peerlesses or pvp ect)
    and while i dont mind wasting my time playing for playing sake.
    i DO mind wasting my time to have a broken game mechanic kick me in the teeth.
    and its not even a time issue, i had to purchase that forged metal thing from the UO store and those suckers cost real money.

    and no, the piece is borked.
    at first i too thought maybe it just wasnt updating the gump, but then i noticed that the title of the amulet was 'agapite amulet' and then when i gave it to my guy to put on and instead of the 70/70/70/70/70 i was greeted with sub par numbers.

    and for those who asked why i didnt post this to the devs..... isnt that what i just did and i warned everyone else too at the same time, two birds one stone kinda thing.
     
  13. Tjalle

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    Maybe server up will fix those missing resists although I doubt it...
     
  14. Merus

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    I know what a pain this is, same thing happened to me. When I went back and looked at the patch notes it seems this was intended:

    From Publish 82 Notes:

    New Gargoyle Equipment: Amulets

    • Non medable neck armor
    • Crafted using masonry and blacksmithing. Amulets cannot be reforged and material bonuses are not applied when crafted.
     
  15. Vexxed

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    Yea I was going to say I recall that necklaces could not be enhanced with materials but that made sense bc they are tinkering. I always understood that it was also a balance thing bc of how the rest of a garg suit has the higher resists... I would have assumed amulets are the same for the same reason. Ultimately though ANY time I do something g in UO that I personally haven't tested and confirmed I give it a quick whirl for myself..... saves soooo of much grief. TC ftw!
     
  16. Viper09

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    If they are not intended to be reforged then I would imagine there should be a gump popping up and informing the player of this when attempting to do so.
     
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    Same thing happened to me now I just deal with lower resists, would have been nice to have it work the way it should
     
  18. Smoot

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    Amulets and Earrings dont take on resists of special materials. they never did. its because resists of garg armor is higher. it sucks, and might not be apparent, but thats the way its always been.

    Now, from a gameplay perspective, it would be nice if it simply wouldnt allow then enhancement of amulets/earrings/necklaces - save some players the frustration of wasting a forged tool, but like someone else said, this is a sandbox game. Kinda like ephemeral armor. when i enhanced with shadow to raise the dura it shows the increase, but reverts back after first use. didnt waste a forged tool, but still stuff like that is frustrating just beacuse you wouldnt think of it.
     
  19. Lefty

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    This........................................
     
  20. popps

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    I do not understand all of the fuss about Gargoyle Amulets. They are a neck slot piece, so what ??
     
  21. Lady Storm

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    Why does it seem like you all missed the point....
    I can understand his miffed disposition on finding his reforging went poof..
    But one takes the risk by not doing their homework on all aspects of the making and the missing that reforging wont work on this item...... Well it does suck.. that being said the real point was...
    He said he wasted 4 hours....
    Not that the hard work and planning he did for every step was misused but to be quite honest he spent time in game.
    It was the statement of escaping the wife and kids...
    I can see if he spent his day in earnest with his children playing and teaching them as we all do our own children... and giving his undivided attention to his loving wife who works just as hard at all she does.
    But to call his time wasted....?
    I am sorry you feel you wasted all that time to learn one fact I have known most of my life...
    You dont always get your way.....
    Yea it sucks butter milk but you knew deep down this might fail...
    Your not super UO player.. You dont have God like Dev abilitys that can change the facts at the drop of a hat.
    Your UO human kiddo...
    We fail...
    Alot.
    I would say you didnt waste your time... you learned what you can and cant do...
    Except it. You did very well and planed it great...
    Dont blame the game for a small detail you missed...
    Hell sugar 99% of us wish we had that kind of luck to get that far making such a piece and doing all you did... in so short a time.
    4 hours amazing.....

    As for the rest of you, sit back and understand this fact... UO didnt force you to log in.. nor does it keep you here. It is a tool for recreation and peace of mind. Made by you..the player.
    UO is a game where you can take time off and go fish! hunt wild critters in your pj's. Sip a hot or cold drink and eat stuff while doing a t map.
    Just think of the poor slob in your office who is so board with tv and doing nothing....
    Lets see him kill a Balron in his jammies!
     
  22. Merus

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    I think you missed the point. The point was he was willing to use his time and effort for something he viewed as productive. Expecting to be able to enhance armor made of stone is not unreasonable... Every other armor crafted from stone can be enhanced. I am sure had he realized that there was an exception for stone amulets he would have used his time differently (hence where the "wasted" time comes in).
     
  23. Lady Storm

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    But dear his time was not wasted...
    He got to as far as he could on the piece... which is more then most of the playing people can do in such short order.
    I do know he had a goal in mind one that would put him at an advantage and it failed... but it was not wasted time.
    You and the poster make it sound like this was a life or death point and all was for not...
    I understand we all would love to get the top end of all we do out of the game, but it is a game of chance when you make items...
    you both make it sound like failure is not an option you want ever. Sorry kiddos there is no guarantee even in life or UO on anything working out perfectly.
    It is like saying his son came out 99% of how he wanted and because the hair color is not right it was a waste of time making him...
    the principle is the same
    You had fun getting to the point of the creation but now that its flawed you regret the time it took...
    Point being, he didnt waste a single second..
     
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    I wish I had a crystal ball to look at prior to working at every company I worked over the last twenty years where I got laid off. I got paid though.

    I think the main problem besides it not working is that when it failed you didn't get severance pay. If the fail would have given you a rare lump of coal or some one use forge metal tool your loss expectations would have been alleviated and your separation from that crafting job would have been made easier.

    -Lorax
     
  25. Smoot

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    HIS TIME WAS WASTED.

    if your planning a suit under the pretense of misinformation or misunderstanding, your WASTING YOUR TIME

    this post isnt about "the definition of what constitutes wasted time" that could go around in circles for ever and ever


    The point is armor is complicated, the "rules" on garg earrings and garg amulets have changed about 3 times now. It sucks to have to learn the hard way, its not obvious that these dont take on special material bonus.
    I keep up on that stuff and read the patch notes, but after they are buried its very easy to overlook.

    Sorry but some of the people posting in this thread are still misunderstanding the "history" of garg jewelry.

    Garg neck and ear jewels have lower resists because of the higher resists in other pieces of armor (originally NO head gear artifacts / glasses were allowed to be used by gargs. people complained, now its slightly OPed because you can make imbued suit with glasses 0 imbue slots used for resists, but NOT with reg garg earring amulet (min 2 imbue slots for resist)

    Garg earrings and neclaces were originally both metal that did not take on special material bonus, and was not reforgable (beccaues no tinker runics)

    To allow gargs to utilize full lmc inherent armor bonus stone amulets were made (allowing for 55 lmc now just like humans / elves)

    For a couple days you could reforge these (this was not intended)

    Then it was changed to you could only imbue these

    Then it was changed back again so you can now reforge them using smith runic hammers for earrings, masonry mallets for stone amulets


    You could always enhance the items, but they took on the color only of the special material, not the resists.


    Given how much Garg armor has been buffed, how much that has been changed, how much that has been allowed to change to appease the masses, its very easy to assume it functions just like any armor now. however it does not. very easy for anyone who doesnt religiously read armor patch notes to overlook.
     
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    Precisely, Smoot. It was his time in UO that was wasted.
     
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    ROFL .. HOW TRUE!!!

    YOYO PRICING gets me at every store. EG: TEN Bucks one day, and SIXTEEN bucks the next day.
    Crop failure causes prices to go up .. and there they stay forever more. I am watching Limes right now. When plentiful will their 400% price hike drop ?

    UO is a reflection of real life.
     
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  28. Aran

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    I went to the local grocery store here in the ghetto and wound up getting glared at by a Constable for a half hour while chatting with some random old man in the parking lot, talk about wasted time.
     
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    Ouch...
     
  30. Aran

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    Haha, you read a Lady Storm post
     
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    Yeah, I read Lady Storm posts. I find most to be helpful and interesting.
     
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    Why not ?
    Kelmo and I are Friends
    As for wasted time... no he didnt.
    He did the one thing we all have to remember before doing a big project.
    Study the Subject and check Stratics for the updated standing of any skill you plan.
    Kelmo
    With failure we grow....
    Babys dont just get up and walk its practice and failure with determination we learn.
    We fail alot but in that falure we learn and grow stronger in the knowlage of the world that is ours.
     
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    Time you enjoy wasting, isn't wasted time.
     
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    OP, you already know this by now according to the rest of the posters

    but they made it 100% clear that you can't do that with amulets.


    Lesson!!! - Read the freaking patch notes!!
     
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    my wife would argue that UO is very much a waste of my time. She is right but I'm sorta compulsive so you take the good with the bad in life.
     
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    As someone who has wasted quite a lot of time (cumulative, of course, over 68+ years of living), I can empathize.
     
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    It wouldn't be hard to add in the user interface maximum imbued or enhanced details to the property dialogue or crafting gump as part of a patch release. I'm sure a user interface developer could do it in two hours. It doesn't seem complicated to disable a forged item use if it wouldn't be needed.

    However, I feel more like pointing out the countless productivity loss the world receives from the entertainment value I apply to my fifteen years in UO along with all the other millions of engineers, architects, mathematicians, entrepreneurs, etc. I probably could have invented the dynamic flux harvester charge displacement propellent by now and had a bunch of gamers as directors enhancing the business applied to space travel with crowd funding by now.

    -Lorax
     
  39. popps

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    I am kinda confused....

    The OP speaks about a metal amulet (necklace) to be enhanced with agapite.

    You speak about amulets made of stone.

    Is is possible to make 2 separate kinds of Amulets, a stone type and a metal type ?