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Alternative to Blackrock Stew

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Scarst, Jun 30, 2010.

  1. Scarst

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    It's been a week and I've just bonded two Bane Dragons with Tasty Treats and I was at 1675 Loyalty to the Bane. Hope this helps.
     
  2. popps

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    Where do I get Tasty Treats from ?
     
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    Thank you for sharing!!
     
  5. G.v.P

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    Too bad bacon doesn't work :p
     
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    Who wants to bet tasty treats being used for bonding is a unintended effect?
     
  7. R Traveler

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    There are strings from cliloc:

    Your bane dragon is returned to maximum power by this stew.
    Your bane dragon seems a bit peckish today and is not at full power.

    So, there is possible side effect of NOT using stew.
     
  8. Yen Sid

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    Well I hope it's changed so that the Treats don't work. If you want a Bane Dragon, you should have to work for it, not just go and tame one. You had to work for the Dread Warhorse. If you don't have to work for it then what is the point of adding a limited time tameable? If it's going to be that easy, just make them always spawn, and while we are at it, make Dread Warhorses spawn again too rolleyes:.
     
  9. slaveone

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    Good to know thanx your the man!
     
  10. Flutter

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    Work for it? By buying blackrock stew off of a vendor?
     
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    Tasty treats aren't that easy to get either. You could probably get 20 C Blackrock quicker than 5 boura skin (Quest to get the Tasty Treat).

    Assuming you already have 2000 points to get the stew quest of course.
     
  12. Harlequin

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    Erm, you do know that to get each treat, you need to complete a quest, right?

    As opposed to Dread warhorses that eats any meat that you can cut from mobs, buy from npc butchers, summoned by the create food spell etc etc
     
  13. Yen Sid

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    You had to work to get the Dread Warhorse, with these, you work for the food instead of the tameable.

    And seriously? I probably have 100 tasty treats sitting in a chest and easily 100 skins as well, skins aren't hard to get when your farming bouras for pelts for imbuing anyway rolleyes:.
     
  14. Yen Sid

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    Sure, gold comes from somewhere right? I won't be selling any of mine unless it's going with a Bane Dragon that I sell.

    People are so lazy they can't even kill some Ophidians to get the proper food, give me a break. Lets all just look for ways around doing things the right way rolleyes:.
     
  15. Beastmaster

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    All hail Lord Yen Sid! The almighty, all knowing, righteous one that knows the RIGHT way.

    give us a break
     
  16. Harlequin

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    The work you need to do to get the dread horse - bola off the rider, start taming. No beat down needed.

    The work you need for the bane dragon - Beat it down till it red lines.

    Needing to beat it down first would take more work.



    What other kind of work are you referring to? Defeating surrounding spawn/luring away the dread warhorse to a safe spot to begin taming? You need to do that for the bane dragons too.



    If you want to bring in stockpiles into the equation, there are folks that could have stockpiles of crystalline black rock sitting in their houses. And folks that do no have stockpiles of tasty treats.

    To properly compare, you need to look at how many tasty treats a player can collect in a day and how many blackrock stews a player can collect in that same day.

    Both have artificial timers that prevents you from collecting it repeatedly. Cooldown for the easiest tasty treat quest is 30 mins, cooldown for the camps to respawn is 20 mins.
     
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    What are you talking about ????

    Taming the dragon is one issue, feeding the dragon is an ENTIRE other issue.

    Whether the pet can be fed apples, meat, soups or whatever is IRRELEVANT to the difficulty in taming it.

    Besides, it WILL be necessary to feed the pet ALSO when the current event is long gone.

    Feeding a pet restores the loyalty which can decrease for skill reasons or after failed commands.

    Meaning, that there IS the need to provide dragons owners with a consistent, widely available and readily obtainable source of food for bane dragons.

    So, it is a necessary issue that there have to be alternatives to the stew soup for when the event will be long gone.

    So, I see absolutely no problems in having alternate ways to feed dragons.

    This may upset those who wanted to sell stew soups for millions of gold to tamers but I do not see why warhorse owners should be able to feed their pets with regularly obtainable food and bane dragons owners have to spend millions each time they want to raise their pet's loyalty. No thanks.

    There got to be readily and cheaply available alternatives to feed bane dragon tameables, IMHO.
     
  18. Tom_Builder

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    Thats what I was just thinking, Dreads were easy to tame, the only problem I remember at all was the spawn around them.
     
  19. Pfloyd

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    Why can't we go into this thinking that they are limited use "items" just like imbued or replica equipment? Why must everything be according to certain rules?
     
  20. Scarst

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    I'm not sure why people want stew to be the only way unless you're one of the greedy stew sellers and yes I've collected 89 blackrock off the event so far and that's doing it at my leisure. I could easily get 2000 loyalty and turn it in for stew. But I don't feel like grinding the spawn because then I'll feel obligated to loot instead I'd rather kill bouras get the pelts for my imbuer friend and get a few treats.

    And saying it's lazy is like scolding for not playing the game more, even though killing 100's of bouras to get the skins is hardly what I call lazy.

    I reported it to others to help people and personally tested it because I was curious. Some people don't want to do the bane side and that's they deal, I personally wouldn't do it if it weren't for the fact that catskills push is almost always against the ophidians.

    The ophidians give the potions which are something I think are useful as opposed to stew which is either for feeding or selling to tamers who don't want to have to farm the blackrock.
     
  21. popps

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    Because the dread warhorses can be used freely by those who have them (they eat any regular meat type food) and the bane dragons should just as well.

    Meaning, as I see it, that also for bane dragons their food should be readily available like for dread warhorses....
     
  22. Yen Sid

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    Wow, that's a little much don't you think?

    Anyway, yes, I do know the right way, they wouldn't have made stew if you weren't supposed to use it. I'm sure your one of the people that used a BoS on the puzzle boards too rolleyes:.

    @Harlequin, Well beating down the bane dragon isn't hard, 3 ebolts and its pretty dead, so that's not much work. On my shard everyone was beating down the dread warhorses and they were much harder to beat down.

    And getting tasty treats is much faster. Cooldown may be 10 minutes longer but its guaranteed every 30 minutes if you want. The camp thing isn't. Many people have posted getting less than 20 CBR per run through, you can't get a stew with less than 20. And the camp may respawn in 20 minutes but then you have to count the time it takes to beat the hoards back and finish it off, that is more than 30 minutes.

    I don't know many people that have 100s of CBR and it seems unlikely that many people do since you get like 4 per hour mining lol.

    @popps, there is no need to feed your pets ever if you have the skill to own it, just spam "all follow me" and they are back up to max loyalty. I rarely feed pets after they bond, no point.

    @Scarst, nope, I'm not selling stew. I just think if things are made a certain way then people shouldn't look for ways to exploit the system and look for loopholes.

    If people want to be like that whatever, I'm not an exploiter or loophole finder, I don't dupe items. I just play the game the way it was intended. If people have such a problem playing it the way it should be played, then perhaps they should be playing on a free shard where it is alright to do all that.
     
  23. Harlequin

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    Actually, the hard part for the banes is having to deal with them sneaking a heal after you have redline them or after you have failed a taming attempt.

    I don't know why folks on your shard is doing that, but you don't have to beat down the dreads at all to start taming. You can't take into consideration this type of hard "work" since it's not needed in the first place.

    You can run around the block, bang your head on the wall, sit on a thumb tack everyday before you go to work, but you can't use that to claim that your job is hard work just because you are making things hard for yourself.



    True, the time to defeat a camp is variable and can take longer than 10 mins most of the time, which allows you to gather tasty treats faster. So lets compare what you can get in a single 4 hour session.

    Tasty treats is simple - 8 tasty treats maximum. The 30 min cooldown time can be used to gather sufficient skins and dough for the next trade.

    Bane/ophidian camps - how long do you take on average to win? Say 20 mins (dependant on shard population)? That plus the 20 min cooldown means 40 mins each cycle. If we take it that you can gather 20 CBR each cycle, that's 6 blackrock stew in the same 4 hour session. The 20 min down time can be used to gather sufficient CBRs from the bane dragon spawn in the abyss to prep for the next cycle.

    So 6 against 8. It's really not that much faster to collect tasty treats and not that big an advantage if you get what I am saying.

    Now, here's the next thing, I am not sure if there is a cooldown for the blackrock stew quest. If there isn't one, it means that as long as you farm the bane dragons for the CBRs, you can turn in as many as you want when the quest giver is active. Potentially more than the 8 tasty treats.



    Why not? You yourself have said that you get around 20 per run and that you have 150 sitting at home - http://vboards.stratics.com/showpost.php?p=1767398&postcount=4

    I was actually thinking of the folks that are farming the CBRs, from killing bane dragons in SA, the 2 camps in T2A and the cavern of discarded spawn rather than mining.



    I know I won't be able to convince you here, but what I'm trying to say is if you look at it objectively, using tasty treats is really not that much more advantageous over using the stew. So I don't really see this as a problem, or an exploit.
     
  24. Lady Storm

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    Yed Sid you dummy, a DREAD MARE WAS WORK. As for the treets yippeeeee cause my con is bad right now i cant go do much fighting to get the bloody crystal blackrock for the stew and not everyone can aford 3 to 6 mil per for a single feed!! And if you didnt read the post from Cal it did saythey were going to make it possible to feed the banes something after the event was over.
     
  25. Scarst

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    I have no problem with you believing the tasty treats things is an exploit, it's half the reason I put it up in UHall in case the devs missed something.

    But when you imply I'm the same as dupers or one of the people who actively looks for ways to cheat the system that's where I draw the line, as I have never cheated in UO. (I'm not going to say I've never cheated because I've used cheat codes in games built in but that's different.)
     
  26. Yen Sid

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    The last part of what I said wasn't directed to you, it was just a statement in general. I'm not saying your a duper or an exploiter, you found something that may or may not be considered an exploit and reported it, thank you for finding it (not being sarcastic, I know sometimes it can be hard to tell with just words on a screen ;)).
     
  27. Beastmaster

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    Here you go again.

    You're still speaking like you are the god of UO.

    Tasty treats were MEANT to be fed to any pet that you wished to give a boost to. That can't possibly be an exploit.
     
  28. Yen Sid

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    Its a treat that can be fed to any pet for a boost sure, it's not meant to be used to bond any pet. That is the most ******** thing I have heard of if you believe that is what it is for. To each their own though.
     
  29. Yen Sid

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    @Harlequin, I'm fairly certain you can't get CBR from the hellhounds or the bane dragons in the Abyss, I know I haven't. So that makes getting treats much faster since you have to wait for the spawn at the camps to start over again in order to start farming again. Of course, this depends on the shard, if your a person getting 50 CBR each run through, yeah, stew is faster, but if you are on a shard where you can only get 5 CBR per run through, then the treats are much much easier.

    And I was under the impression that you got 2 treats per quest, perhaps that is the next tier up, it's been a while since I have done them so I can't quite remember, I have to look into it again.
     
  30. popps

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    So how come that my tamer, at 120 Animal Taming and Animal Lore (each...), when I spam tens upon tens of times "All Follow Me" to have it finally follow me and not some other stupid target it is going after (yeah, lack of control of pets even at MAXED OUT skills is also another problem in this game with pets' AI...), they drop their loyalty sometimes ?

    Besides, pets can and WILL be transferred even after the Event is long gone.

    Therefore, there has to be a food source for Bane Dragons which will be readily and cheaply available after the Event ends.

    It is just not reasonable, IMHO, especially comparing them to Dread Warhorses, that feeding Bane Dragons must become such a pain and so much expensive.

    Alternate feeding ways are VERY welcomed, IMHO.

    Personally, I cannot support the selling of Bane Dragons' stew to make tens upon tens of millions.
     
  31. Yen Sid

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    Idk how you have such a problem, they drop a spot in loyalty but if you give a few more commands they go back up to max, problem solved.

    I said somewhere that when I sell or trade or whatever a Bane that I would also be giving 2 stew with it :).
     
  32. R Traveler

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    I predict quest for stew recipie.
     
  33. Yen Sid

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    I certainly wouldn't mind that if it was actually a challenge. Anytime there is a quest it's easy as pie :sad4:. If they do it that way they had better beef up the quest or I know a lot of people that are going to be upset that they wasted loads of CBR getting stew now; that is, unless it takes 20 CBR to make ;).
     
  34. MalagAste

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    Who died and made Yen Sid a DEV?

    First off I could care less to do this event at all.

    I've not killed one Ophid or one Bane.

    Infact haven't even been to the camp area at all. Don't plan to.

    Don't think that should stop me from taming and bonding Bane Dragons which spawn in the Abyss. Somewhere I do go.

    Also the Event isn't going to be around forever. At some point you will Need to feed the Dragon. What happens when the thing at some point goes wild and you have to re-tame it, as many pets do from time to time? So then 3 years later when this event is LONG over and there is NO way to get your precious Blackrock Stew are folk to be screwed from getting and bonding a Bane Dragon?

    This would mean that 3 years later if you still have a few tamed Bane Dragons in your stables to sell you'd have to have a stockpile of Blackrock stew if you ever want to sell them later...

    NO Yen Sid... you are full of it... I don't think anyone anywhere is going to want to have to go through all that BS just to trade and later keep their Bane Dragon. I for one am not going to stockpile any blackrock stew. Leastwise not without having a recipe to make the crap myself. No.

    I think you need to get off your high horse.
     
  35. Yen Sid

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    :grouphug:

    Who's to say that I'm not a dev ;). And I don't ride horses, I ride a bonded Bane Dragon fed with Blackrock Stew :p.
     
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    I think it's great the devs added a flex-fuel rideable. It shows they have responsible thinking.

    Thanks for finding this gem for us OP. :thumbup1:
     
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    It was much harder to farm dread warhorses than it is bane dragons. I've farmed hundreds of bane dragons in a few days, and I haven't really been that hard core about it. But with dread warhorses I'd be lucky to "farm" a dozen in a full day of monitoring the spawn locations. It's taken me less than a week of farming to find a bane dragon that made me happy. It took me more than a month if I recall correctly to find a dread warhorse that made me happy, and I had to be pretty dedicated.

    The vanguards didn't respawn right away, and there were only, I think it was, three of them at each spawn location, and you didn't always get a warhorse when you dismounted them. On top of that you had a ton of surrounding spawn that was much harder to work around than the hell hounds are. And back then most of our characters were substantially weaker than they are now. And beating down the bane dragons is very easy. There really is no comparison.
     
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    Yes, only 3 dreads spawn on each facet every 30 mins or so. I'd always get a Dread when I bola off the rider, I didn't see any that turned into nightmares.

    I agree that the spawn was definitely tougher to kill than the hell hounds and the dreads were overall more difficult to get. But you can lure the dread a bit further away and tame it without too much hassle if you didn't want to deal with the rest of the spawn. That being said, the tamer I used for that event is a peace/provoke bard and was really suited for that event.

    For folks that just want a single one, taming a single dread isn't that much more difficult than taming a single bane. If you are farming for the most uber dread/bane, then it's a different story.



    So, does the work involved in taming a dread include all the following:
    1) waiting 30 mins for the respawn
    2) defeating the spawn
    3) fulfilling the actual prerequisites of making it tamable (bola off the rider)
    4) the actual taming attempt
    5) go back to step 1 and continuously farm until you get the most uber dread

    Or should it really be only step 3 and 4?



    And if you think the work involved includes all 5 steps, is that perceived work justification enough to force a similar amount of "extra" work to bond a bane dragon?



    Even then, is that justification this because it's good for the players/game or is the justification due to the "veterans' mentality"?

    ie - "Son, in my days years ago, we had to jump through 8 hoops (blackrock stew) to get the new Nike boots back then, it's only fair now that life should be as difficult and we should jump through as many hoops as I did to get the new Reebok boots. 6 hoops (tasty treats) just isn't enough".
     
  39. Instead of just completely ending the spawn of the bane dragons, I'd like to see them available forever, but a bit more difficult to get in the future. Perhaps they could spawn once a day at a random location in the Lost Lands... at least that would give us a reason to visit the LL once the ophidians/bane war stops.
     
  40. Harlequin

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    Actually, now that you mention it, I can't be sure if I'd gotten any CBRs off the bane dragons in the abyss either. So I might be wrong there.

    What I do get from each Boura quest is only 1 tasty treat each time.


    I am glad that you are starting to look at this objectively now and can see that depending on the shard, folks can get up to 50 CBRs per run, making the blackrock stew quest potentially not that much different from getting tasty treats.

    Now, I agree that getting the treats while not a free lunch, is definitely easier and less of a gamble. It's just that I don't feel it's really that much of an advantage.
     
  41. Llewen

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    Point taken, I'm always fussy about my pets, so it's never enough for me to go and get just one. I also sell quality pets when I can, so that's another factor. Having said that, I have no problem with tasty treats being used to bond bane dragons, intended or not. I'm just wondering with those messages if there isn't some reason why it is better to bond them with the stew.
     
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    I'm very certain Blackrock Stew is used for two things concerning the Bane Dragons.
    1)Bonding them
    2)Recharging them so that they're able to perform breath attack. It seems that there is a finite number of poison breath "charges" before they run out. You have to fuel the dragon with Blackrock Stew..
     
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    Well if they need the stew for the breath my bane will have a very long wait. I am not paying 6 mill for a single bowl of that stew. (3 mill for 2 on one vendor but thats still too much IMHO) He (my bane) can settle on a tasty treet. Im not made of money (gold).
     
  44. Llewen

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    I'm with you on that one. Unless they make crystalline blackrock easier to get from non-event sources. I guess I'll have to think about that one. I'll have to do some actual hunting with my dragon before I form a strong opinion on that. But my immediate reaction is... no... :)
     
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    I agree cuz if they are only gonna be here for the event, if u cant get more stew later, then selling / trading them later would not allow the new owner to bond them. also as the quote below says, if its needed to recharge...



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    I used a tasty treat & it didnt bond with me... but then i dont have any loyalty points on this char so maybe thats y or they fixed it

    Ill retry once i have some points
     
  46. Vaelix

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    Honestly hope this isnt the case..

    IMO the banes were introduced to give players who didn't get a chance to get Dreads, a chance at this type of pet (Strength / Uniqueness / Ect)

    However, If their Poison Breath is on a Recharge system where Stew recharges them, The Dread will once again be Vastly superior to Every Pet in the Game for PvP, Instead of the Bane Being on the Same Level as the Dread, where the only difference is the Pet Type and Damage Type.