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An interesting observation (Character Transfers)

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Kirthag, Jun 3, 2015.

  1. Kirthag

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    Recently, I relocated my main (Kirthag DiOrsae, of course) from Napa to Pacific.
    Going over my titles and such what not, I now see this:
    upload_2015-6-3_13-27-21.png


    Now... I didn't "copy" this character from anywhere... I totally moved her using a transfer token. I have copied her over on TC for, well, testing things. But other than that, this was a full on transfer from one shard to another (for she is massively scrolled and I didn't want to lose that).

    So, this leads me to wonder, is the transfer function an actual copy function, and if so, if I transfer back to Napa does that title disappear or does it change to Pacific?

    Further, if I decide to move this character to another shard, will it still say "... of Napa Valley" - that being the original shard of creation - or will it change to "... of Pacific" as that would be the shard I move from?

    So.. all you shield holders, does consecutive shard hopping change your title options? Would like to include this as documentation on our site. Yeah, doing guide work on UO2.stratics.com :)


    edited title so that maybe the devs will see this and read our observations.
     
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    Only if you copy your character to TC again - while you're on Pacific - you'll get the "of Pacific" title.
     
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    I went to Atlantic from Baja today and my Xfered char on Atl says of Baja. When I Xfer back tomorrow I will check and see what it says and let you know.
     
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    Transferred the same character several times:
    from Great Lakes to Atlantic - of Great Lakes tag
    from Atlantic to Sonoma - of Atlantic tag
    from Sonoma back to Atlantic - of Sonoma tag
     
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    hrm... so it keeps the last shard you were on.
    that's interesting....

    will add to the documentation i'm writing up. will look for your input Frodo

    thanks!
     
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    That wasn't a character copy to TC... that was a transfer token move of the character from Napa to Pacific.
     
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    i use the same guy to transfer between the 8 shields i have and his title is the same as it always has been, his original shard, sonoma.

    i just logged on to check and that is still the only option open to him.
     
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    was sonoma the last shard you jumped from?
     
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    You gained access to the " of Napa Valley" title by making a copy to TC, when you were on Napa Valley.
     
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    I just made a copy to TC and logged out. Then I logged in again and now I have access to a "of Drachenfels" title.

    After writing this post, I'll transfer the character to Atlantic. Then we'll see what happens. :smile2:

    Edit: Bah, I have to wait 24 hours before I can make a transfer.
     
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    This has me wondering how a Xfer really works. When we Xfer in RL we do the moving but maybe UO copies the char to the new spot and then deletes it just in case you don't arrive or maybe you are kept on the Xfer server and updated every time you xfer.
     
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    I can understand the character on TC getting the title, but the actual character on the source shard? That doesn't make sense to me.
    And she didn't have that title prior to her move to Pacific... but she has it now... am confuzzled.
     
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    I keep forgetting to character copy from non-home-shard, I xfer too, just to see if you retain your old title while gaining a new one from whichever shard you copy from.
    for instance could you have a single character with several shard titles from different shards?
     
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    Are you 100% sure about that? :wink:
     
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    I'm constantly twinking my title cos I am not satisfied with just "paladin" or "trader". I think I would have noticed "of Napa Valley" since I was still on that shard.

    I don't think you can copy a character across shards.. can you? I thought the character copy was reserved for TC only so that we can test our templates out with new features.
     
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    last shard i left was ATL and ATL isnt a option to me, just sonoma.
    but i picked up that title a year or so ago after making a guy on TS.

    so as far as i can tell you get the title for going to TC only not from x-sharding.

    also, i have a mage by the same name on the same account on every shard in game.
    over the course of a year i copied him over to TC off of each shard, so now those mages all are Bob of Sonoma and Bob of Napa and Bob of Balhae and such.

    so again, its TC that gave me that, no x-sharding.

    now i would assume that if once you made your x-shard if you THEN did a TC copy you would have access to that shards title, no?
     
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    something to test out..... I'll do that.
    thanks poo!
     
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    Have you declared loyalty to any town on your shard? The "of Shard Name" title is located under the tab where you find your "Citizen of Town Name" and any bought citizenship titles

    Right, you can only copy a character to TC.
     
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    Always happened that way though - I have never moved Aurelius between any shards, he's only ever been on Europa, but did copy him to TC a long time ago to test some things, and ever since the 'original' has a title 'Aurelius of Europa' on Europa.
     
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    Okay... is all really interesting!
    Will see what happens with the guys jumping shards and how their title selections change.

    Aye, I have...
    Now that you mention it, I haven't looked at my citizenship titles in forever, and I did do a TC copy of the character _after_ setting my citizenship title. That's probably why I never noticed it! Now that I've moved shards, I am changing my city loyalty and yes, that is when I noticed the "... of [Shard Name]" title.

    That really does clear things up for me. You had me doubting my sanity there for a bit @Piotr ! o.0
     
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    Good call on the town loyalty, I wouldn't of thought of that...
     
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    :thumbup: ... Now let's find your car keys... :tongue:
     
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    I once put my car keys in the microwave with my morning danish... image how that turned out! >.<
     
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    Not well, I assume... :grin:
     
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    I recently "misplaced" mine in my desk drawer. I have no idea how they got there... but it made returning my Granddaughter a tad difficult. Though she did find the search for grandma's keys to be somewhat "fun". Typically I only put things in a couple of places so this sort of thing doesn't happen... still clueless as to what made me dump them in my desk drawer of all places.
     
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    Update Just check my titles and it still says of Baja. This char has never been copied to TC. This char has made numerous trips to other shards. This char does have a town loyalty that started on Baja but I have added loyalty on other shards by turning in BODS. Not sure why some peoples titles change while others do not.
     
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    o.0
    mmkay.... more testing is required...
     
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    is the character copy warehouse and the x-shard warehouse not the same one?
    i say this because the gump is the exact same, the procedures are the exact same (unmount, log off area and such) and it has the 24 hour hold as well, not to mention that when the x-shard warehouse goes down the character copy one usually goes with it.

    so would it not make sense that it would be the same.
    so it dosnt matter if you did a character copy or a transfer, either one will put you into the warehouse and thus add you to the "of Baja" list (if that is where the warehouse was tapped at)

    am i way off on this thinking?
     
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    easiest way to test this would be if you had say a "of Sonoma" title and you moved over to Atlantic shard, wait the 24 hours, do a character copy then check your titles and see if you now have the "of Atlantic" option there.
     
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    because im bored and cant sleep.

    i have a character on ATL that ive used to do about 8 x-shard jumps.
    i just checked him, he had NO OPTION for a title.

    so i copied him to TC1
    now i have the option to add ATL as his title, so i did.

    i will now wait 24 hours and jump over to another shard and see if that changes and also copy to TC and see if that changes once again.

    fresh and new, no option for shard

    [​IMG]

    after character copy, option for shard

    [​IMG]
     
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    Is that on Atl you get the option or on TC?
     
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    I think you are right for the most part but the Toon I use to shard jump with the shields has never been copied to TC, not even once. He was born on Baja and before he started to be used as my shard jumper he gained adored to a city on Baja which gives you the option of city or shard. Just cked a toon that has zero city loyalty and has no title option at all for a city or a shard and has never been copied to TC.
     
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    ATL
     
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    thats neat, ill have to check some of my toons that have city loyalty to see if they have the shard option as well.
     
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    just checked one of my guys that has town loyalty but has not been copied to TC and he does NOT have the option for shard, just the town.

    are you 100% sure you have never not once copied to TC?
     
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    He has never been copied to TC but he has used the shard shields. So a Copy and a Xfer has to work the same way for a toon. I think you get copied to Xfer Server no matter what and if it is for TC then a copy is left on your from shard but if it is for another shard then your toon on your from shard is wiped.
     
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    Like I said earlier, I get the 'of shard I xfered off of' everytime I xfer regardless of my city loyalty.
    from Atlantic to Baja:
    baja.png

    from Atlantic to Pacific:
    bob hope.png

    from Sonoma to Atlantic:
    kayo atl.png

    Character Copied from Atlantic to the test shard ( right after the character copy and still on Atlantic):
    kayo2.png
     
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    very very interesting....

    when i get the chance to wrap my head around this completely, will finish writing the guide.

    Thanks for testing this! Can I use your pics in the guide?
     
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    i went from ATL to Hokuto last night and the only option available to me is still ATL.
    ill copy to TC tonight while on Hok to see if that changes it.
     
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    Mine? Sure.

    Weird, let us know what you find out.I'll do a character copy later to TC

    edited by admin
     
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    ok.
    so i landed on Hokuto and checked and i still had my ATL title, no Hokuto.
    so tonight i copied to TC and now i have the Hokuto tag available to me.

    so for me im only getting the shard titles when i copy to TC.

    ill try one more shard tomorrow, ill go over to Balhae and check then copy to TC as well.

    Hokuto when i landed.

    [​IMG]

    and Hokuto after i copied to TC, you can see in the journal this is post copy.

    [​IMG]
     
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    That's exactly how I expected it would turn out. Although I thought you'd get the new shard title in addition to your old shard title.
     
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    that would have been neat to have a list of all the shards you've been too, now i kinda want that!
     
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    that's what I always kept forgetting to check, but yes... that would be nice, to have all the "Of Shard" titles on the characters that have transferred to those shards.
     
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    ok, thanks everyone... will use this thread as a a source for the guide I'm working on. :)
    Thank you all so much for your help in understading! :D

    (this is what community is about!)
     
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    just to totally finish this off since i was already into my test, here is the next shard i went too.
    so this is Balhae from Hokuto.
    same as before, i arrived with the Hokuto title and no Balhae title, i copied my character over to TC and the title for Balhae then was available.

    so for my guy at least i am not getting the 'of shard' titles unless i copy them over to TC and only for the shards that im on when i copy over to TC.

    hope this all helps.

    this is when i arrived on Balhae, you can see the title i have is Hokuto and the only option i have is Hokuto.

    [​IMG]

    and here i just copied my guy over to TC on Balhae and now i have the option to change over to Balhae.

    [​IMG]
     
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    thanks poo!
    :banana::banana::banana:
     
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