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An Recommendation For Gold Checks

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Lady_Calina, Dec 8, 2008.

  1. Lady_Calina

    Lady_Calina Lore Keeper
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    Considering the current home and castle market values, wouldn't creating checks that can value up to five million a piece make sense? Thinking on how often people are inconvenienced by having to transport multiple millions for keeps, castles or even an "elite" weapon, I've come to the conclusion that perhaps five million gold checks would only help make these transactions easier, which would help encourage trade and ease people worries of being scammed.

    So often I hear of people being scammed out of millions by people putting checks of 100,000 in a bag with stacked 1,000,000 checks, wouldn't it be nice to see easily, in increments of five, check lined up to be counted, not just stacked due to the sheer number of them making it impossible to line them all up?

    Perhaps I'm just musing on a useless idea, but I think the thought should be taken into consideration... if not for more than just simpler trade.
     
  2. Kiminality

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    Not sure I agree with upping the limits on checks...

    Regarding the scams, though. why not implement a way to check how much gold is in a container?
    Like, bag of checks is dragged to the trade window, opened, and the amount of gold is tallied.
     
  3. Lady_Calina

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    That's a good idea, too, just like having the tally of items/weight, just add a gold line.
     
  4. Demonous

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    they should have made it so that u can make checks for more than 1 million a long time ago, id be very happy with 10 million gold checks as a maximum, this would prevent scamming... many scammers want the gold first for example if buying a luna house for like 600 mil, they want the gold first before they xfer it and then could run away with the money, if u could do 10 mil checks, ud be able to put all 600 mil in the window, hell if it were up to me we'd have 100 mil checks
     
  5. ohhhh duped 100 m gold checks *starts drooling*

    *cough* i mean... hrmm raising the check limit is just really raising the price of everything, and people will be "selling" gold more...

    If you want something that cost 600M eg. Make a prearangement with different items, such as... Inquizs, and Ornyments, or even EM/Server rares, this way they get the gold value, (it is easy to sell these things :\) and you get the safe mind set that you aren't going to be getting jipped and no code changes are needed to be made into the system :D

    Also using a brokering system is fairly safe, even if it cost a tad more :\
     
  6. Dermott of LS

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    Please no, allowing checks to reach 1,000,000 gold did a LOT to help the economy to be as inflated as it is now since people can now store 125,000,000 per bankbox (not even including houses, boats, etc) instead of the previous 6,250,000 gold.

    Plus a 5 million gold check would wreak even more havoc on the economy if it were to be used in a dupe bug.

    We need gold to be DRAINED from the economy, NOT a way to hoard even more.

    Edit: To prevent scams, a possibility for trade windows would be a "Gold Total" listing added to the bottom of the display so that people would be able to see how much at a glance is contained (have it able to count piles and checks simultaneously as well).
     
  7. aarons6

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    you cant even cash a 10m check.. thats 167 piles of gold.
    7.44 would be the max on checks, unless you get increased storage. then its 8.94
     
  8. Spree

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  9. Salty Pete

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    A better idea would be to allow players to set a price on their homes and have the money come straight out of their bank accounts just like purchasing from a vendor. That way someone could review the price, choose to pay it if they wanted and the seller gets money and the buyer gets house without inconvience. The same kind of tax that applies to a vendor could also be applied making folks like Dermott happy as gold would be pulled from the economy in the transaction.
     
  10. Dermott of LS

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    Actually, the two things I would like to see as gold sinks that would be applied to housing are:

    1. House addons that are "rented". Things like the hitching post, extra storage, bank access, and so on that would be accessible to add on through the house sign and need to be paid for on a regular basis to maintain (yes, I know the hitching post is being added under a different system).

    2. Removal of the "tile refund" in the customization menu. Allow up to 5 or 10 tiles in a given timeframe to be changed at no cost or removed for a refund in the case of a mistake, but if you want to totally redo your house, then you'll have to pay for each tile changed and/or added accordingly.

    Gold sinks by nature should be something that adds to the game, not something that you fight just to maintain the status quo. A "sales tax" like on a house doesn't really do much for me in terms of gameplay desires, and it seems like it would be too easy to get around anyway simply by doing things the way they are already done.
     
  11. Sindris

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    As much as I hate the idea, I am about ready to just trash the whole physical gold system altogether. I know its a long-standing tradition and that UO is pretty much the only MMORPG that has actual physical currency that can be moved and dragged around, but I think its caused more trouble than its worth over the long run to the economy. Not having all that gold in physical form would save a lot of bank space too.
     
  12. Dermott of LS

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    They've considered removing gold as a physical item as an option, but that would necessitate a hard-coded "maximum" amount of gold per character. Right now, we have a "soft" cap on that amount of gold based on bank box + house + boat(s) which IMO makes a bit more sense than a hard cap that says "you can only have a maximum of X amount of gold on a character at any given time".

    While I'm not a fan of hard caps I also want a lesser amount of gold in the game, and the only real way I see that happening is by the creation of additions to the game people WANT to obtain at a cost of gold that is reasonable and repeatable.

    Unfortunately, those are few and far between and do not seem to be getting any in the forseeable future (outside of Faction special items that sink Faction silver and not gold)... so unless the Devs have something Sooper Seekrit™ in mind, looks like the status quo is here to stay.
     
  13. PsychoKinetic

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    A long time ago I remember reading from a dev post that the limits on gold piles and check amounts was due to a programming issue. For gold piles the maximum was 256 * 256, or 65536, making a 64,000 pile a nice even number. For checks it was the gold pile maximum times 16, or 1,048,576, which naturally became checks for 1,000,000 maximum.

    Im not sure about today, but back then it would have been the equivalent of rewriting the entire monetary system of UO from the ground up to change the maximums on checks.
     
  14. Farscape

    Farscape Guest

    just need Eftpos
    lol
    :love:
     
  15. How would you redeem a 5 mil check in the bankbox? That's 84 stacks of gold at the current stack size (rounded up). You'd need damn little in the box to have this work.

    What I have had folks do for me is setup a special vendor at their house. I then appear there, they drop the item in the vendor with the agreed-upon price. I buy it off the vendor ... they are assured of full/proper payment, I have the item(s) I desired at the price we settled on. We're both happy.
     
  16. Der Rock

    Der Rock Guest

    1 m. 5m. and 10 million checks should be possible in uo, why not.
    it is annoyed to be restricted to 1 m checks these days
     
  17. Der Rock

    Der Rock Guest

    hey, easy,
    10m checks redeed in 5m check and
    5m checks redeed in 1 m checks
    any problem???
     
  18. Nope, but what I want you and the others to consider are the ramifications to system alterations of the type being asked for. What is impacted other than making it easy to by uber-mil priced items? What effect on bankboxes and so on.

    Conceptually it should be able to occur ... no argument. I just want folks to think just a hair beyond the immediate gratification. <shrug>
     
  19. BadManiac

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    Make the maximum check size 100,000 Gold, make all current checks worth more than that into 100K, thus cutting the obscene ammount of money from the game.

    Or, give us a goldsink worth sinking gold into. For instance NPC's selling runic/arty quality equipment for arty prices.

    Make all Chiv spells cost more depending on your accounts total wealth. Chivalry should after all be all about humility and sacrifice right?

    Make LRC suits use gold for "fuel". In some sort of alchemical way, you need to add powdered gold to your suit to recharge it. Make it cost about the same as chiv spells...

    Don't refund house customization tiles after committing. Once committed, the design price get's removed from your account permanently, if you want to change something, you pay again.

    There have been no shortage of suggestions for goldsinks over the years.
     
  20. Lady_Calina

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    I actually like alot of these ideas more than mine, such as 'pricing' your house when you sell it, like a vendor item.
     
  21. GL_Seller

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    I dont understand the vendor thing at all. When buying something from a vendor it checks your bank balance.. Lets say the item is a castle which is in some cases well over 400m. Thats impossible to put in your bank box to buy from a vendor. So how would one go about doing this?

    I have no problem with check at 5 and 10m. This game has been around forever and the dupes are gonna keep coming. They normally dont dupe checks they dupe items worth multiple checks. I mean whats more valuable duping a valorite hammer filled bod 125 times or duping a 1m check 125 times? Even duping 10m checks 125 times is less then the valorite bod.

    I mean how much worse can the economy get? They are already selling 1m gold for under a dollar.