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And it went "poof"!

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Going Going Gone, Aug 31, 2010.

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  1. There was this excellent thread that was basically saying: "Is the coming upgrade on boats just a cutain pulled in front of our eyes to make us forget that EA now knows, since several weeks, who cheats in the game, yet they don't take action?". I was replying to it when it actually vanished.

    Usually, when posters in a thread go too far, what I see is Petra Fyed locking it, and informing us why this thread has found an end.

    But this time, nothing, poof! Does it have to do with the announced outage? Or is it a copy of a chapter of George Orwells 1984: "Erasing all archives and pretending that it never happened.".

    If this thread was deliberately deleted by stratics admins, I think it could have been locked as usual with an explaination. I would like the player base to be respected and considered intelligent enough to be informed of the reason when a thread is closed. :confused:
     
  2. Xalan Dementia

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    Would people get it into thier skulls....
    They have a list
    They are goin over it to figure out what to do since its a big decision, thats why its taking some time. You act like its been a year since they got the list. Takes time to gather up whos using it here and there, and whos using it often.
    So could you rabblerousers please stop makin these threads
     
  3. Arcus

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    They have known how to stop it for YEARS. At least 4. This is why people are tired if the run around. They can kill it tomorrow if they wanted. They dont need this stupid list. They are stalling.
     
  4. Hurley

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    That's because: when they put the ban down on all the cheaters, there's going to be three people left in UO.

    "Hey guy, we're going to have to ban you. We're under a lot of pressure from the stratics community. We know that you've been playing for 13 years and you have 10 accounts, but bro, you macro'd unattended and we're under a zero tolerance policy. Ya, we know that training skills is boring and tedious and redundant, we know okay, but the Stratics posters says that it isn't fair that instead of spending 48 hours of in-game time to train so you could compete and contribute to UO, you macroed unattended. So, thanks for paying us thousands of dollars and supporting us for 13 years, but you're outta here buddy."

    I have a suggestion, make training skills worthwhile or change it to where you don't have to be maxxed out to compete (pre-AOS you didn't need to be maxxed at every skill to have a chance in pvp OR pvm= less time spent training skills before you could actually have fun playing).

    Server speed is already capped, who cares if people speedhack. It literally serves no purpose for 90% of the community.

    Stop wasting time on the mythical "pvp skripz" and actually make UO worth playing. Once all the "Cheats" are gone, UO is still gonna be screwed up and unbalanced and tedious.
     
  5. Basara

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    Apparently you are not aware of two things, from your low number of previous posts...

    1. If a thread has too many rules violations (ours and/or EA's), it will get removed - just like anywhere else. There's a tipping point where leaving certain things up, even locked, is counterproductive (mentions of illegal programs by name, for example, or outright accusations of individuals).

    2. Publicly Questioning the actions of Mods & Admins, in relation to the locking or removal of threads, is in and of itself an offense that can be actioned. So is trying to restart a thread that was locked or removed. IF you think that someone over-reacted in moderating the post, PM Petra - don't post about it.
     
  6. Hurley

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    Honestly, if they get rid of ALL the scripting and speedhacking and duping and whatever else, someone's still going to get owned and cry Cheater. Period.
     
  7. Basara

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    So, all of us who don't cheat play one shard? And, who are you gonna send to assassinate the several dozen members of my allance and our former alliance, in order to get that number down to 3?

    You logic is so flawed it's painful. Just because cheating is a rampant part of PvP, and those with Ralph Kramden complexes (the get rich quick with no effort types, whose plans usually backfire), doesn't mean the rest of us, who play the game as an escape from the day to day, cheat.

    There are thousands of players that took months (if not years) to finish characters, because the journey was important - not the destination. IT also teaches you how to use those skills and equipment a hell of a lot better than cheating your way to completion.
     
  8. Lady Storm

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    Basara is right.
    You are in too much of a hurry to convict on little evidence and complain of the lack of the speed in dealing with the situation.
    If we base this on the speed you are calling for it would be simular to the old west linch mobs. He's guilty of cattle rustling - hang him!!! Only to find the next day the cows were in the north forty cause a fence failed and they went where the grass is greener. But that is too late to save the poor man in boot hill you hanged for it!!!
    Same principle... you say they could have done things about this years ago.... oh really?? And your proof is?? Look give them time, I am damn sure I would want them to look into what, where, when, who, how, and why before they kill off alot of players who might not be guilty. They like in real world need proof. yea yea its there game and dont need proof... ok answer me this then If you kill off for no legit reason players who pay you how long do you think you will stay in business before the hammer falls and your not payed for play anymore??
     
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    IBTL - Continueing a locked thread.
     
  10. Hurley

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    Wow, you read one sarcastic part of my post, then you posted basically the same thing I did: MAKING TRAINING MEANINGFUL.

    You need to work on your offense.
     
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    And so what ?

    The way I see it, this is about BUSINESS above anything else.

    This is, at least to my personal thinking, not about Ultima Online or about this or that playing style, this is about what for me decides what games I would pick, a Company's policy about this issue which I feel as important for the games I play.

    I will try to explain my thinking hoping that it may clarify WHY I think that dealing with cheating is of a paramount importance from a BUSINESS perspective.....

    When a Company owns several titles, the way those games are run may make the gamers grow a feeling about that Company.

    If I, as a gamer, do not enjoy playing games where my fellow gamers cheat and are tolerated in doing that thus making my game play more miserable, I would not choose to play those games.

    So, if I learn that a Company that publishes several titles is too tolerant about cheating in one of those titles which I happen to play, I grow wary and the more the years go by and the more I see nothing done to deal with what I hate in a game, cheating, the more I grow wary.

    Eventually, when I reach the point that I feel I am being pulled around in my expectations that something will be done about cheating in that one game I play, I could possibly write that Company on my black list and never again pick a title published by that Company, no matter how cool it may look or sound, because I would always fear that, should cheating be rampant in that other game as well, not much will be done about it as well......

    So, I feel, the issue goes well beyond Ultima Online itself and I think, that regardless whether Ultima Online could suffer, even dearly, from an aggressive stance towards cheating in it, I still feel that for a Company that has to protect other titles besides that one, it is far more important to send out a message that in their titles cheating is NOT allowed nor tolerated, rather than the other way around.

    I mean, how many gamers enjoy playing games where others cheat ?

    I don't know others but personally, I do not and I do have met several fellow players which I felt thought like I do about this particular issue.

    So, the question is, what hurts more; doing nothing or hardly anything about cheating or striking it hard and sharp ?

    I think that in the long run doing nothing or hardly anything about cheating can hurt the business more than actually striking it with decision.

    So, I personally think, regardless of what could happen to Ultima Online I think that still a decisive action against cheating in UO should be taken and severe penalties issued to those who have really abused of it.

    It is important, that is how I feel it, that a strong message is sent out once and for all not just for Ultima Online, but for all of the titles out there, that gamers who pick a title from a given publisher would know that they can play those titles with little fear that there will be much cheating allowed in it.

    This, of course, is what I would like, because I hate cheating in games but of course, I can understand that others might think differently and want different things.

    It will be interesting to see what the developers and the publisher will decide to do about this one issue.

    I know I will base my future games' picks on what happens about cheating in Ultima Online. I have waited too many years and had enough patience to just let it go by.

    Either I see something real to happen or I will base my games' choices accordingly.

    Of course, that it merely my personal opinion.
     
  13. Xalan Dementia

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    ok how about everyone who gets into arguements on the cheating/no cheating topics just stop posting about it for 1 week, bottle up your bs stats, fearmongering etc and just think it all over for 1 week. Would be great to see how quiet it would be. of course itd prolly be full of the same people on dummy accounts posting the same ol same ol about "fix cheating or everyone quits" or "dont fix cheating or everyones banned"

    Neither side has any concrete numbers or info so quit starting these pointless debates.
     
  14. Basara

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    You need to work on your comprehension and sarcasm.

    My point was that there are many people for which Training ALREADY is meaningful.

    Those that currently speed through training, though legal (advanced characters, for example) or other means are in effect, self-crippling.

    It's like taking a Ferarri out to a test track, and teaching a 15 year old how to drive. He might be great at doing laps, or even a road course, but skipping the "little" things like parking, dealing with oncoming traffic, etc. are going to be majorly undertrained, and I wouldn't want to be anywhere near him if you turned him loose to drive to the mall at rush hour.

    Those that think that training needs to be made meaningful are missing the point; just from a different point of view from those skipping through it.
     
  15. Arcus

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    LOL. 1 week. Like I said...its been YEARS.... They are not pointless. No numbers are needed. The solution to killing "that" program has been posted many many times. There is no need for a list. There is no need for an accusations. If they killed it tomorrow we would all see just what the were.

    Trying to sweep it under the rug wont work.
     
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    If they had a mass banning like they used to do... the only people left would be the people pancakes and whining loudly stratics.
     
  17. I agree! You are much more offensive... Basara could learn a thing or two from you.
     
  18. Picus at the office

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    The amount of people left in this game who need assistance with "parking, dealing with oncoming traffic, etc" are so limited that I'd hardly bet one comes every month.

    They should just say that the 2 gm's who watch this game will be watching for bot scripts and shall ban them on site, like they did years ago. If there is a way to catch speeders ban them also. Everyone else have at it and lets kill this topic so Mythic can make the next expansion where we have flying carpets and questionably dressed ladies feeding my char grapes.
     
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    You forgot to mention its also like Hitlers Germany. You need to bone up on your ridiculous internet hyperbole practices.
     
  20. Xalan Dementia

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    Its all pointless because people dont know what they are talking about. They have no proof either way.
    You cant prove a small patch every other day would totally kill scripting, it might slow one of the programs down but not kill it.
    We cant prove that wed have a huge surge of players coming back if all the scripting was killed.
    No one can prove that the playerbase would redline if we banned all the hardcore script users.

    See what I'm Saying? Some of you are like kids when it comes to waiting on the results of the illegal app investigations. "Is it done, is it done?"
    During a criminal investigation do the authorities give you a detailed status update daily? nope, they dont want the criminal to know what they know, same with Devs and scripters. Cant show all your cards.

    So again, until any of you on either side get some kind of new or definate information for your side, I suggest you play the GAME.
     
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    I bet there are more than a few people pancakes about cheating who were crying when there overfillable water pitchers were deleted. Or who abuse "My character is stuck" feature. Or anyone has ever used the satyr trick. Or anyone that uses a pure black dye tub that doesnt say its a vet reward. Or any of the people who used gozas to add floors to there house. Rares collectors that have a coal armor set(not many of you). Or have items that wernt meant to be obtainable ie. items that the devs forgot to locked down when an expansion came out. Or have bank checks with ZERO value, orange ingots/ore. Any old timers use UOA before it was UO gold aproved? ever start a macro and even look away for just a second (tv, kids, etc). Well your all ****ing guilty too. GTFO

    If I remember correctly there are parts of doom you are not allowed to log out in, but it used to happen all the time. ALOT of people do it
     
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    EA probably asked Stratics to remove it. It has happened before. When EA tells Stratics to jump the Mods ask how high.
     
  23. Hurley

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    I just think that all of the people yelling BAN BAN BAN need to take a step back, look around, and then zip their gd mouths, partly because of what Boogy said and partly because I don't want to see the already dwindling UO population erased.

    How about: "we have a list of people "cheating" (yawn) we're going to shut down the cheats and throw away the list because it doesn't matter."
     
  24. Magdalene

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    Mmm... no. The posters did it - drove the thread to the ground and below.
     
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