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Any thoughts on changing spellweaving?

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Whitewolf of *VK*, Jul 28, 2014.

  1. Whitewolf of *VK*

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    I play on Atlantic the most populated server, certain times of the day its impossible to get a focus, and lately it seems to be getting worse, i can't imagine what it would be like tryin to play a spellweaver on a low pop server
     
  2. Podolak

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    Yes I agree there could be a better solution, my comment is not meant as a slam but...

    Have people on your ICQ list who can log in characters. When you need a focus send them a message. If they don't have spellweaving soulstone off your spellweaving skill and just get a JOAT focus.
     
  3. Smoot

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    only way i can see it with no focus is make it cost regs.
     
  4. Dot_Warner

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    @Mesanna has been receptive to adjusting the timer on the focuses to actual played hours vs perpetual countdown, but nothing ever seems to come of it. :(

    This change would help weavers immensely.
     
  5. Lug

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    They need to make hirable NPC Spell Weavers of varying skill, or a tamable, that we can use for a skilled focus. Hire a NPC park them on circle, once you get your focus the NPC recalls away. Of course the higher the spell weaving of the NPC the more it should cost. Focus problem solved.
     
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  6. Tjalle

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    I´ve said this before.

    As an alternative to the arcane circle, they could use the skill Focus as a way to bump up SW.

    20 Focus gives a focus 1 bump
    40 Focus gives a focus 2 bump
    60 Focus gives a focus 3 bump
    80 Focus gives a focus 4 bump
    100 Focus gives a focus 5 bump
    120 Focus gives a focus 6 bump

    That way people can either get a bump through players or by having the Focus skill on. It shouldn´t stack however.
     
  7. Zoom the bard

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    As the Whitewolf said, it is almost impossible to get focus sometimes. That just sucks to sit in WBB and yell in general chat couple hours to get that focus. How about it could be just that it's enough to have even some people in circle? No need to have spellweaving on those people who stand on circle, it's enough to have 6 players on it :) That way any player would help to get that focus.
     
  8. Widow Maker

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    I just had 5 accounts with 120 SW on a toon for each account. It was the only way to get a focus most of the time. And I liked SWing :)
     
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  9. Roland Of Gilead

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    I wouldn't mind 1 or 2 weaver npcs at brit to "hire" if need be. Not enough to get u a lvl 6 circle if your alone but enough to get a focus at least or finish out a circle if u do get a few people to come help. To me the skill itself forces
    us to interact with others a bit and I like that about it. But 1 or 2 npcs would at least allow us to make it worth using if we cant get players to come circle. Without tossing us instant lvl 6 focus without any player interaction ofc.
     
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  10. James Moriarty

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    What to do is stone off your SW skill so you have 0 skill. get another 5 people with 0 skill (human so you have JOAT) and do a SW Focus then go back and take your 120 off the stone. That way you don't need 6 people within 100-120 to get a full skilled focus
     
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  11. icm420

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    The trade off with spellweaving is that it has no "eval". It costs no regs, doesn't require spell channeling, can be 4/6 casting and has a steep mana cost. I think it's balanced very well right now. I play on sonoma and I don't have much trouble getting a circle. I like your idea but perhaps tie it to a skill that isn't already tied into "eval".. as focus helps mysticism. I can see the potential for it being overpowered as mysticism was at first when it triggered off eval intel and not focus.

    What i'd like to see is a gold sync. We have waaayyy to much gold in this game right now, if you charge to get a circle (as an option) you can address two issues at once. Low pop servers get their circle and you can take some gold out of the economy. Not to mention my red would love it.
     
  12. G.v.P

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    one thing I always thought Spellweaving needed was a way of having synergy with other spell casting skills, like say 120 magery would improve the heal quality of Gift of Renewal, or 120 Necromancy would improve Word of Death damage, etc. etc.
     
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    Remove the +20 (your skill) -20 difference from getting a focus with other players.

    Arcane Circle would still require the same amount of players, but they all wouldn't need to have the spell-weaving skill.

    They sort of do, though it's not passive. The Arcane Empowerment spell increases the potency of most spells used while under the effects of it.
    the duration of Arcane empowerment doesn't last very long though, maybe 30 seconds or so at 120 spell-weaving with a lvl 6 focus ?
     
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  14. G.v.P

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    that's true, is useful for GHeals and the like, even. without a focus, of course, it lasts for maybe one or two heals!
     
  15. Yadd of Legends

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    I agree with Tjalle - if you've got the high focus, you should just be able to step into the circle, cast arcane circle and go on your way. Why require spamming in general chat? I don't see the purpose, because **we all go our separate ways after the focus anyway** - it's not like we're all powering up together for some kind of group quest, which may have been the original idea.
     
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  16. G.v.P

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    i think the original idea was to make a system in which players had to interact with one another...but they obviously forgot UO is for loners ;P
     
  17. morPR

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    Uh, what purpose is that focus? I have SW at sixty. It was interesting getting the first arcane circle in the elf village and my guild mates at the time told me stand there and keep gaining off just that for I don't know how long.

    A good reason they might have put an arcane circle at WBB was to get people to actually go there after abandoning it after the Despise invasions. If you told me way back that all of the people who banksit at WBB would move to a small bank in a city of "Virtues" called Luna which had a shopping mall within city walls, I would think you were joking.
     
  18. Speaking the Truth

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    It's not that is is for loners, but why should solo players be punished for wanting to play by themselves? No other skill in game requires you to have a group to use it.
     
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    because its a very powerful skill that doesnt require regs or a supporting skill. your not meant or need to have a full focus all the time.

    i could see something like:

    Without focus, spellweaving regs could be used to achieve the same effect of a level 3 focus.
     
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  20. G.v.P

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    maybe the ratios could be adjusted a little so that only certain spells would be affected by having a circle. like essence of wind would be OP max circle all the time fitted to necro, but I'm not sure arcane empowerment would be OP if max circle all the time...I'd have to double check, myself, because I forget. all I can think of that used to be OP was of course word of death, but they nerfed that, then essence of wind was a real ***** because of the insane range. I mean a ***** in PvP but yeah lol
     
  21. Speaking the Truth

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    Chivalry doesn't require regs or a supporting skill. Last I checked you didn't need 4 other people to use that.

    To say you don't have/need a circle is absurd. The skill is horrible without a circle, to the point of uselessness. Its very mana intensive and to the point of uselessness. IE Word of Death with no circle. You're telling me you use that all the time? Sorry but no.

    This needs to be fixed like every other skill so that those playing alone can use the skill just the same as those who have big guilds. Regs is a horrible argument also. Considering LRC is in game and with LRC for example you don't use tithe points. If that's your argument then have spellweaving have tithe so that solo players can use it also since chiv is the same as spellweaving according to you. It takes no regs, and it doesn't take another skill.
     
  22. Gedgerez Tesherd

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    This has been brought up as far back as 2006 by many players, in game, & on stratics over the years. In fact, the difficulty to gather a max focus on low pop servers already led me to removing spellweaving off all of my casters, melee, & ranged class builds. Am I disappointed... you bet ya, but oh well I already adjusted. What ever purpose this may have held in bringing community together to group for circles has long been diminished to nothing. I've waited around for hours typing in the morning in general chat, & usually ignored by the few remnants of life left on the servers around night/morning hours. Unless I contacted players from other servers & organized help, it was a lost cause for me to play late at night with any of my former spellweaving builds. I'm past it now, & honestly if it ever changes wonderful, & if not oh well.
     
  23. Eaerendil

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    Spellweaving is perfect the way it is. Hands off! It works absolutely nicely!
     
  24. Smoot

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    i see your point, however Chivalry requires keeping your Karma up to be 100% effective. (as well as gold but the gold is insignificant)
     
  25. Corpin

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    Although not circle related I think arcane empowerment should add a crit chance to spells but only for PvM which I see being a coding nightmare.
     
  26. Speaking the Truth

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    I wasnt going to get THAT detailed. I was just talking about for the main points. However if I could have a skill actually be useful all for tithing points and karma I would take that trade.
     
  27. G.v.P

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    I wonder if it shouldn't be tied to meditation instead, but I guess focus is better for dexxers and the like if any dexxers still run more than pixies lol