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Apparently speedhacking is legal?

Discussion in 'UHall' started by dukarlo, Aug 8, 2008.

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  1. dukarlo

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    Its been going on a couple years now that the players have been complaining of the same people exceeding the speedcap over and over. One player was even so bold as to to post screenshots of himself on stratics which included at least 4 cheats he had going on(2 client mods and 2 itpp) Players posted in outrage at this but this player and his guildmates that skip around in the same manner are still running around at lightning speed. These players can run off screen at will and as long as they are willing to run will never die. Dismounts arent real effective because they are nearly as fast on foot as other players are mounted.My question is should we all just start speedhacking? Is anything ever going to be done? because it sure seems it shouldnt take sometimes even years for EA to take action. The devs on these forums continue to sidestep the subject. E mails go unanswered by Jeremy, pages to GMs are little more than a canned response and quite frankly legitimate players are fed up. Cmon EA take a stance on this. Every bit of game balancing you do goes out the window because speedhacks arent taken into consideration. Im not a casual pvper that doesnt know what im talking about. Ive played this game for 9 years and know when someone is cheating. Its always the same people over and over and it never gets any less frustrating. EA you need to do what you did with dupers and people knowingly buying duped items and do it these speedhackers. Pvp is quite pointless right now because of it. I try to log in this game but unfortunately the same players are doing the same things reguardless of when or where I log in. Something needs to be done.
     
  2. Fox (Europa)

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    Expect some replies from speed-hackers who will say that there is no such thing as speed-hacking and its all due to ping :sleep2:

    I think its just too hard for EA to fix. There's no one left in the dev team with enough knowledge to write some code to cap the speed of all players without screwing a ton of other stuff up. So they don't even try.

    I have never heard of anyone being banned for speed-hacking or even a GM showing up to check it out. So I suggest you level the field and speed-hack too.

    Fox
     
  3. Radun

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    there's a serverside hard cap on player speed, implemented in the past as the solution to speedhacking. there is no speedhack that can make your character move faster than this cap.
    if you're not keeping up with them, you're lagging.

    I'm not saying they're not hacking, though... I'm just saying it's impossible to go faster than the cap allows.
     
  4. Desolation87

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    What I find DISGUSTING is that after all the emails, PMs, flags etc etc. That those two dev guys at the town hall meeting didn't even know about!!!

    What F'in game do they play??

    I can remember the names but they stated 'Oh it works.' C'mon WAKE UP!!!
     
  5. Sarphus

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    You're flat wrong on this one :)

    There is a way to hack movement using memory injection hacks and it does work. As I understand it Wilki and Jeremy tested it and came to the same conclusion.

    A server side run speed cap doesn't fix the problem unless the server also doesn't trust the client to properly report your character location...
     
  6. Ender

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    LOL now explain to me why a certain guild can outrun me every time when I don't lag, at all. Don't give me the "super computer" or "super connection" answer either, because I know that's not why.
     
  7. Radun

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    no you're wrong.
    the hacks only allow you to move as if you ping 0. you can't go faster than the cap allows.
     
  8. Ender

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    So let me get this straight, with 0 ping you can run off screen in a matter of a second?
     
  9. Radun

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    oh they probably ARE hacking... they're just not moving faster than the cap.

    the reason you can't keep up with them is because you probably move slower than the cap.
     
  10. Ender

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    So, the cap is several times higher than all non-hacking players move...?
     
  11. Radun

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    without 0 ping you can run off screen in a second.
     
  12. Ender

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    While somebody is chasing you, you go from only a tile or two ahead of them to a whole screen away?
     
  13. Radun

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    not several... that would be exaggerating.
    but yes, it's higher than the average player.

    I've been accused of speeding and I don't use them. I've been able to outrun a bunch of mounted people when I was dismounted, not speeding. I've chased the worst hackers and kept up with them, without speeding...
     
  14. RoycroftLS

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    Regardless of how much of an advantage the speed hacks give, any advantage gained through their use is still an unfair advantage.

    Besides, if there wasn't a significant advantage to be gained through their use, I doubt you'd be seeing it be a practical requirement for some of the PvP guilds out there.
     
  15. Lady Michelle

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    Sorry but I think I would like to hear from the devs if it is legal now to speed-hack. Im not going to take a chance of getting banned by doing something illegal because someone else is doing it, and getting away with it 2 wrongs dont make it right.
     
  16. Splup

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    The problem with speedhacks is not when they are running straight, it's when they are taking turns. The speedcap limit thing doesnt seem to work when they make turns, since noone without speedhack can skip tiles like that when making a turn. I quess the speedcap is within 8 tiles or something and because of that you can make one hell of a tileskip when taking a turn with speedhack.
     
  17. Radun

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    YES, and I like to change directions alot when I get to the edge of the screen, so they chase in the wrong direction and think I popped off screen in a straight line.
     
  18. Draxous

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    You cannot exceed the speed cap...

    case closed.

    This would be a perfect example of an ignoramous blowing things way out of proportion scaring and/or intimidating the rest of the playerbase.
     
  19. Lady Michelle

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    The Devs and Gms could set up a guild on a shard like Great Lakes go and do a Despise champ spawn wait and see who shows up to raid it and watch how fast they go.
     
  20. Bardie

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    Your joking yourself if you believe there is no speed hack....i ping 0 witha 50 meg fibre connection, my computer i guarantee dominates most other people playing this game and yet they can scream by me? seriously doubt it...
     
  21. Draxous

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    Thank you!

    There is intelligent life out there
     
  22. Radun

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    not saying there's no speedhack. there definitely is a speedhack...
    it just doesn't make you go faster than the speed cap.
     
  23. Lady Michelle

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    well some are come to great lakes You will see it
     
  24. Draxous

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    You ping 0?

    I call bull****.

    And even if your really did have that set-up I still call bull****.

    I PvP on a laptop from 03 and have regular cable modem interweb... and no one screams past me. Sure some can out-run me, but it matters nill to none in who will win the fight.
     
  25. Now that is a lie... no one pings 0.
     
  26. Ender

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    Yeah. They have screenshots of them using a program to speedhack, one other program that even trammies use, and 2 client mods. Don't tell us there's no speedhack.
     
  27. Draxous

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    Well some are? What the ****?

    No one can exceed it.


    Jesus people... are you going to start praying to the sun god again? Stop making **** up. You don't know (obviously) and you're assuming things from what you see on screen.


    ...?


    I'm sure there is a program out there that maximizes how your computer processes the information sent to/from the servers. Thats EA/Mythics fault for not making the client/servers sync properly so what you see on screen is actually what you see on screen and not what was there 1/2 a second ago.


    Get 2 computers side by side... have 2 characters standing right next to eachother, then move the one char around the screen. If you don't notice the "lag time" between the two and can't fathom that-that is the exact same thing you're pancakes about... then I give up. But please, stop pretending like people out there are hacking the servers and exceeding the speedcaps that have been in this game for 10+ years now.
     
  28. Doomsday Dragon

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    I can tell you right now there is no such thing as a working speedhack.

    I am on a high end machine and connection and there is no one who is able to catch me if I run from them unless I get caught up on the terrain or let them catch up to me.

    That being said I would think someone would have been able to just run right up to me if they were using a speedhack.

    You cannot run any faster than what a 0 ping connection would provide. You cannot force the server and client both to skip your character ahead tiles in the game. It just isn't possible. You would rubber band back if you did that because the server would not allow an instant jump between tiles and would catch that sudden jump and move you back to the starting tile.
     
  29. RoycroftLS

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    Just because anyone here hasn't personally devised a way to get a working speedhack doesn't automatically imply that one can't exist.

    People are always going to be looking for the next way to get an unfair advantage, and that unfair advantage is most useful to them if no one else knows about it.
     
  30. Lady Michelle

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    We are not talking about your normal lag yes I know about that but
    ok lets explain it this way speedy gonzales, Ándale! ¡Ándale. Is what we see from a certain guild who dont care and post pics of them cheating
     
  31. Lady Michelle

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    Hun I never said there wasnt a speedhack out there
     
  32. Ender

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    I know, was talking to other posters. :)
     
  33. Draxous

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    The program currently in circulation amongst those everyone is calling "a cheater" does not do this.

    I really like how your post implies that one may exist, even though it does not.
     
  34. Draxous

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    Hun, you said there was a speedhack out.

    There is no speedhack... so please, stop lying to us and yourself about it.
     
  35. Lady Michelle

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    Yes I did say it, thats why I quoted Enders post but I guess because you say so they dont exsist makes it so because you know it all thank you for enlightening us on it. :p
     
  36. Lady Michelle

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    Ok Np.
     
  37. RoycroftLS

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    Do you know that 100% for sure? Did you personally write the code for both the client and server, as well as the network protocols for the transmission of packets?

    If you did, you should know that there is no absolute security out there. The level of security of any computing process is inversely proportional to the amount of time and dedication of the people trying to break it. Given a little know-how, a lot of time, and perhaps a little luck, even seemingly insurmountable challenges can be overcome.

    You can keep repeating the same erroneous statement over and over, it doesn't make it any more correct each time you say it.
     
  38. GL_Seller

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    Wow you are completely stupid all of you. If what you say was true. I could go download this car part program. Turn it on and I wouldnt notice the difference right? Is that what your saying?

    During the pvp focus group speedhacks were proven and a ton of evidence was given, by some of the respected pvpers that post here. There is indeed a speedhack.

    You say you cant surpass the speedcap of a 0 ping. Thats fine since noone can have a 0 ping. The lowest I've ever had is 10-12. Thats one one shard the closest to where I live.

    Now with that said these same pieces of garbage skip on gl on atl and any other server they move to. So that means either they MOVE a hell of a lot irl. Or this so called doesnt exist speedhack ****ing works.

    Anyone who doesnt think speedhacks exist go play on test center where its so ****ing rampant its disgusting. With that said normal shards are infected with it now because EA doesnt give a **** about its customers.

    But your right no speedhack exists so you can name ***** engine by name since it does nothing right? All those pvpers who skip and post screen shots of them using it are ignorant as it doesnt do **** for there speed right? ****ing please.
     
  39. GarthGrey

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    And since you never get to the edge of your own screen, how do you know you're at someone elses edge? This whole "I outrun everyone, and don't speedhack" is very tiring.....
     
  40. Aibal

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    You sound like the Iraqi defense minister during Desert Storm II. There are no infidels here, we have flung them back lol. Pull your head out of the sand there sport.
     
  41. jimmy81

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  42. Sarphus

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    I agree... there is most definitely a speed hack and I know of at least one. I read about their product, but didn't test it (friends of mine did and it most definitely made them run fast). What they said about their product was exactly what I said. It does a memory injection hack to let you cheat on anything that either isn't validated on the server or is validated at a higher threshold on the server.

    If movement is validated on the sever than obviously it is validated at a threshold that players can't even approach legitimately. So... what I'm saying is, it's entirely possible movement is validated and capped effectively on the server side. If it is, the cap is WAY too high, because people are able to inject location values and gain an unfair advantage without the server saying "you couldn't possibly be there yet!"

    If the speed cap is working, it needs to be reduced. The current setup creates imbalance (people who can always run away), which encourages bad tactics such as "well I'll attack and if I get hurt, I'll just fly off the screen".

    Also, I'm pretty sure the reason speeders appear to skip is that they basically are running a local script that injects location values of (current value + x) in whatever direction they are running on random intervals. That's why it only works when they run straight.

    Sorry, but anyone who says there is no working speedhack is just wrong.
     
  43. Radun

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    based on how far away they are, duh... when they're close to the edge of your screen.
    it's easiest to do this when you're running north or west
     
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  45. Lord Kotan

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    Wow.. check out Fox's post above... You can go faster than that cap, EA doesn't have a hard cap like that. Some Free-shards do though. EA never implemented a hard speed cap for the server; I believe they might of for the client though. But if you can trick the client to go faster, the server will let you.
     
  46. Radun

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    There are speedhacks that may make you move faster than you could have without one.
    There are no speedhacks that allow you to go faster than the server-side speed cap.

    The speedhack doesn't work by making the character teleport. People who aren't speedhacking skip too. The reason for skipping is because of latency between the server and both clients... your slow client is catching up with their fast client. the speed hack is not injecting locations to teleport to.
     
  47. Lord Kotan

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    So.... if you cannot exceed it.... answer this: how did Jeremy and Wilki do it at Town Hall?
     
  48. goldstandard

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    Okay guys let me explain this to you as a programmer
    The cap lets say is 1 , cause if your ping is 0 you lose connection.
    What is happening is legit players can only get to maybe 10 , as the speed hackers get to 1 by using memory injection, and CPU using more resources.
     
  49. Radun

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    EA implemented a hard speed cap on the server side years ago. what exactly would be the point of putting the cap on the client side? ..since that's where the hack would be running...
     
  50. Radun

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    well I'm glad you cleared that up for us..........
     
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