Having trouble coming up with something that works. I thought Archer/Macer or Archer/Necro were both cool. So was Stealth Archer but this will be a PvM build. I have some skills stoned off to use up, a mythic token to pop. 1 char has already eaten 120 Arch and 120 Mace scrolls. Option 1 : Leave Archer, Fish, Cook on full time. Level Archery and Fishing until I figure out what to do. Option 2 : Build something to 120 Archery (110 + HH ?) / 120 Mace Fighting. Built with numbers combining real skill and jewels to where I can swap out GM Cooking and (eventually) 120 Fishing without getting more than 2 soulstones involved. Space is already cramped. This sounds whacked even to me, so here is a specific example of what I am trying to get: 100 Healing (or Anat or Tactics etc) (real) <==> 100 Cooking (real) 120 Mace Fighting (real) <==> 120 Fishing (real) I am also trying to avoid taking Chiv to 120. What about an Archery/Mace Fighting Sampire variant? I found one thread and thought hey I can do that, but the only natural 120 was Chiv. I do not have to use HH, it is just available. I have 105 necro (real), but I see a lot of sampy templates that stick w 99. Also looking for something effective, slow killing is ok as long as it gets it done. Lastly, if my build on Loren makes option 2 redundant, then option 1 it is Loren is 120 swords 105 (115) Tactics - Soldier's Medal 100 Anatomy 90 (120) Chivalry - Jewels 105 (120) Bushido - Jewels 100 (109) Parry - Jewels 100 Healing So if I can come up with something that will excel, where my Swordsman/Bushy/Pally will not, excellent. Otherwise I guess its option 1, since Stealth/Archer PvP is not my thing. I do not see the point of Stealth/Archery/XX for PvM. When I play with the numbers I keep running into needing 2 same group skills on jewels, or not enough points available, etc. I guess it could be a long term project with 120 Chiv, my hats off to everyone that made Chiv 120. I actually had that once. Worse than leveling Magery 120 imho.