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Archer vs Mage = Mage Mage Mage, why? (PVP)

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  1. Small

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    What if I play a Archer, I can not kill the Mage?
    I can kill him if he would stand and not move ..
    Have you ever Developers, Archer played against the Mage?
    Mage 120 parruying, 120 Bushido (45/75 dci), how do I kill him? if my arm goes past ...
    One invas Mani, and the magician is full of life
    My Archer - 190 stamina (45hci,100di,55ssi,50ep,50hld,)
    You just mess up this class, and I even no desire to fight against Mage, TK I'M INTERESSNO DRINK FROM BANKS AND GET 10 arrows 1.
    Think.
    My ping 70/90 - I can not physically play the Mage
     
  2. Lynk

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    wow, just wow.
     
  3. Small

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    If I mage - I must fight against the 3 Archers?
    If I Archer - against me enough 1 a mage?
    That you have done pvp?
    PPC
     
  4. Small

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    Mage play well - we must learn.
    But I say Game 1 vs 1.
    Why such a hard disbalance?
     
  5. Cal_Mythic

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    I'll tell you I'm trying to learn how to PvP mage myself. I'm finding it fun if a bit challenging ... trying to get my template right ... I think it's a growth thing for me ...

    And no I will not PvP anyone on a Live shard ... yet ... :D
     
  6. Try my mage archer. Works wonders.
     
  7. Vaen Swiftar

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    Small spells, Cal. Small spells.
     
  8. Lynk

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    So if I invest 240 skill points in Bushido and Parry on a mage to make sure you two-button mashing *** clowns can't chain me for 40 dmg hits, it is unbalanced?

    Do you know what balance is?
     
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    I recommend having a house for pvp tournaments and then bi-weekly having the battle night. Advertise it and hold a price for the first place winner of 1 mill. Charge 50k for people to watch the event and have an area sectioned off for them where they are somewhat safe and cannot cast on the entrants.

    This would allow you to see how pvp works as well as practice. You could even make it a 1v1 or 2v1 event classes.

    -Lorax
     
  10. chad

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    Dude, it's not fair. Mages shouldn't be able to heal if they have parry.
     
  11. Gelf

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    hmm what did they remove the 80 dex req for parry?
     
  12. Splup

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    No they did not...

    And archers are still very able to kill mages. I just love getting hit 80+ with Yumi when I'm playing my mage. Not.

    Also all archers having hit fireball on their weps is pain in the ass.

    Small, I suggest you play mage for a while you'll get a whole different view to things, even if you ping 70-90. I'v known good mages playing with even higher.

    Archer should not die to parrymage without getting stuck somewhere, that's a fact. Mysticmage or Necromage could maybe do suprising combo to take archer down but not parrymage.

    If you'r getting killed by single parrymage, train train train :)
     
  13. Winker

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    Well in all fairness i just made a mage a few weeks back, I always played an acher up untill then. All i can say is mages have it far to easy, i made a parry mage, 120 pary 120 magery 120 eval in 120 wrestling 120 resist 120 med.

    Siut has:

    Defense Chance Increase: 75%
    Lower Reagent Cost: 100%
    Lower Mana Cost: 40%
    Faster Casting: 2
    Faster Cast Recovery: 6
    Spell Damage Increase: 17%
    Physical Resist: 72%
    Fire Resist: 78%
    Cold Resist: 69%
    Poison Resist: 68%
    Energy Resist: 78%
    Dexterity Bonus: 15
    Intelligence Bonus: 10
    Hit Point Regeneration: 4
    Mana Regeneration: 10
    Hit Point Increase: 21
    Mana Increase: 24
    Enhance Potions: 50%
    Luck: 140

    Archers 1v1...forget it they cant even hit me, Cast demon and then expolde flamestrike and its good night archer.

    I have 2 vollems, poor old archer...cant even hit me and i sent 2 vollems while i para spam him....Good night archer.

    Mages have it way to easy, suits are much easyer to put together, and then magery with Parry/DCI/Wrestle is way over powered.

    Yours
    Old Archer now playing an over powered Mage!
     
  14. Small

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    I still see it in practice.
    And the fact that the mage 0 resist, this is normal? :)

    There are at least one super duper veteran Archer, who kills mage experienced?
    Show me them!!
    Preferably server - Europe.
    I can go to another shard, and see there.
    Many mage pump 120 Parruying and nekromans...
     
  15. Splup

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    Well, you lack inscription so if archer uses apple your explo FS makes like 50-60 dmg? Your demons are casting like hell I quess lol.

    But then again, any more offensive magetemplate will rip you 1on1 so your defensive mage has its problems.
     
  16. Lynk

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    AND THERES THE BALANCE!!

    I have a mage like that on one shard. Bush and parry with gm scribe and 60 necro. It is great against dexers. BUT - it has a weakness. 0 resist makes him para and poison bait when fighting mages or tamers with casting pets.

    It is very strong against some templates, but very weak against other templates. Balance.

    Do you see? Kind of like Rock Paper Scissors?
     
  17. Risso

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    I'm honoured that I am the star of a UHall thread :D
     
  18. Cetric

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    I'm in shock


    I love my mages!

    That being said, i can rail a mage on my archer dexer, its not even funny. I don't care if its a parry mage, it just takes longer =/ There may be a time or two i have to off screen from not fizzling a big dump. But ehh


    Mages are fine, and archers are jsut about fine too anymore. If anyone wants to complain about something, complain about mystic lol. its nasty!
     
  19. Splup

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    Yeah there are magetemps without resist, usually to get more points to offensive side. Lacking resists has it's problems and I gotta say I prefer having resist.

    If you want I'm pretty sure any archer from my guild will go 1on1 against mage on openground. Setokaiba, Sneaking Death, Bruenor, Balron, Deathcourier etc.

    I turned my archer to sampire while back so can't help ya with this.

    SMALL your problem is staying too long on screen with mage and not paying attention to RPD and Blood oath. Atleast against my mysticmage you have stayed on screen half health when having spell plague on and I'm getting off big spell combo while shooting to my RPD. Also you should use some mortal weapon more efficiently with that composite. Also you are not using your composite and mortal weapon together very well. If you get a chance pay attention how experienced archers get mages to big problems using mortal correctly forcing mage to run and then trying to nail em with moving shots. Also some archers know how to paralyze shot in right places.

    Archer is easy template to play, but still some are waay more effective with them then others.

    Edit: also seen you getting killed by chaz pretty much the same way, or you killing yourself to blood oath. Pay attention to your healthbar mate.
     
  20. Small

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    You have something I wanted to surprise, what you spell with 0 resist?
    Go to Europe and see how playing Hacker with 0 resistance.
    He was 1 vs 1 - the mage does not even competition.
    So this is an imbalance of which I told you.
    What if you have 120 resist, he had 0 - but you will fight on equal terms.
    It all depends on your skills already.
    But I am concerned about the fate of Archer, who have nothing to 1 vs 1 mage can not do.
    Yes, I kill the magi, but this instance is no longer a battle, just luck
     
  21. Small

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    I'm not saying that the magician is killing me with two haklinany ... no not in any way.
    If I go, then I kill a mage will be very hard if I'm nice run:)
    But my goal - to kill the enemy at any cost.
    And what do we see? in my backpack 5 bows, I dressed properly, arms stand up straight.
    What's missing something?
    Must be 20 bows?: We'll be wearing no problem. (No chance, unfortunately this will not be higher)
    I just get funny and scary at the same time, when I can not get on the mage, standing on the spot a couple of minutes.
    Found even peshyh magicians who run away from you - do invas Mani, and nothing more.
    And you can not kill them, because parry and invas Mani good place:)
     
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    A Mage consists of....

    Magery
    Eval
    Med
    Resist
    Wrestle
    Inscription

    Anything else and its not really a mage. Try to not use a weapon, A mage is a spell caster and not really suppossed to be co-dependent on weapon's so try to be true to your class.

    Your going to find out...

    95% of the mage spells are 100% useless in pvp.

    You have zero spell defences/counters verse special moves. When you have two or three d.o.t. special effects on you at the same time and nothing but magery on your side you will totaly understand this.

    Verse people with 120 healing and maxed EP items you have zero chance to kill them...forever

    People will run off screen before you can kill them 99.8% of the time.

    When you rez, you have to wait and med or your useless.

    If your in stat...you can not compete.

    Mages are the hardest templet to train and the hardest to play, it takes real skill, very good timing and even better eye/hand cordination.



    Good luck

    P.S. They are nothing like they used to be, The game used to be full of them, but now with special moves and max prop. weapons dominating everything the game has lost site of what a mage/spell caster really is..


    Exgirlfriend
    (Nox-Mage sense 99)
     
  25. Exgirlfriend

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    dbl post....sorry
     
  26. Small

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    95% of the mage spells are 100% useless in pvp.

    You say they are useless, I understand correctly?
     
  27. Cetric

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    one,... Are you Wojoe? because ur mage skills...aren't much to speak of.

    2. I can kill most ep 50 healing anat whatever crap on a pure mage no problem

    3. about the only thing i have trouble with is a healing 4/6 dexer that knows the timing of his spells extremely well

    4. 95% of mage spells are useless in pvp?


    Uhhhh HAHAHAHAHAHA i counted 44 of the 64 spells that i regularly use in pvp...


    That is all. Good luck Cal!
     
  28. chad

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    Please stop advising people. You're setting them up for failure.
     
  29. Exgirlfriend

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    So tell us how are the free shards going for you and your old guildmates these days?... LOL
     
  30. Cetric

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    wtf i dont play freeshards....

    i just beat the **** out of yew at yew gate the other night (i was pretty pumped on this one, i gotcha right before u made it back to the guard zone ie. your safe place)...great Lakes is a freeshard now!? holy ****! I want a refund check. this is absurd!

    Why don't u just run along, and look for someone spawning so u can drop nox fields on ur blue just to try to annoy people, and skip into teleporters when someone looks like they might be coming after you.

    You would think playing a mage since 1999 would make u...i dunno....better? less cowardly? something man!
     
  31. GalenKnighthawke

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    Really?

    I had you pegged for a PvP mage already.

    Oh well.

    -Galen's player
     
  32. Cetric

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    What flavor kool aid was that?
     
  33. Exgirlfriend

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    less cowardly: LOL thats to funny coming from people that dont log on unless they have 15 friends on to back them up to gank solo player's. I'd guess if I played a total gimplete like you and your pals i might win more...maybe i should?

    and i know you luv me and all cuz im so good but try to keep this on topic.

    kthxbye
     
  34. Cetric

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    You have your stuff all twisted and wrong. btw i just logged on. want to pure mage duel!?

    ahahaha
     
  35. Exgirlfriend

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    I wont be on for a couple hours, But sure....define pure mage duel
     
  36. Cear Dallben Dragon

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    rant aside, I find pvp in this game beyond unbalanced. in a bad way.
    But it is still extremely enjoyable. I cant wait to see what happens if they ever rework it.
     
  37. Cetric

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    magery spells, lantern if you have wrestle. Hell just because im so confident, you can keep your poisoning on, even though that makes u nox mage instead of pure mage
     
  38. Winker

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    dont be a moron, were talking archer v Mage not Mage V Mage. And while a more experienced Mage may rip me apart I have been playing mage now for a whole of 2 weeks, I must be really worthy kill ehh! But it goes to show how over powered a mage is. I knew it was and you denied it all the time
     
  39. Cetric

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    I dunno, honestly, a mage is about the most balanced skill there is in uo, and the most "skillful"

    You can go with high firepower, but you will lose defensive ability. You can go defense and lose alot of offense. All the while, you are still an effective template. So many templates out there are based on offense offense offense, smoke bomb, run away. that part is the most pathetic.
     
  40. Exgirlfriend

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    it is fun :thumbup1:
     
  41. Cetric

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    Some of it i will have to agree. Mystics are pretty....errm. POWERFUL, some of the dexers are pretty sick.

    I honestly and truly believe that if they pull a fast one and fix speed hacking the game will be very very balanced. Then, right click and delete smoke bombs.

    So many templates, and ungodly ability are based on the fact that the person can run off screen, chase you down with archery specials, etc etc, and a high speed.



    Once that is taken care of, and maybe a little look at a few mystic spells, pvp will be about as balanced as it can get. But in a truely balanced pvp environment...how fun is pvp going to really be? Its not possible for true "balance"
     
  42. Exgirlfriend

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    Sometimes i think they should rename it special moves online...the game used to be about player skill, now its just items and specials...
     
  43. sdk

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    I can't tell you how much I'm enjoying reading archers complain about not being able to kill mages. Please trammies, proceed.
     
  44. Splup

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    Geezh... If the most defensive mage around is effective against the very template it's aimed against it doesnt make it overpowered? That's what I was pointing out to you. You parrymage might be good against archers but offensive mages will rip you apart. Even if you were experienced mage, experienced necromage/mysticmage/tactmage would take you down, but then again they are weaker against the archer you are good against.

    edit: thou I highly doubt you have taken many experience archers down 1on1 with your mage if you have played 2 weeks, but that's just me.
     
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    To sum this all up.

    months ago it was "Archers spam moving shot, unbalanced!"

    Exploit for insanely high archery removed, mages learned to put parry on to fight archers.

    "Mages are so unbalanced, they block my arrows! How is dat possible!?!?!?! Nooooooo!"

    So we're left with "Adapt or Whine."

    You can Adapt
    - Change your archer to have magic offensive abilities to compete with matches you can't hit.

    - Add Fencing or wrestling to disarm the mage weapon then quick swap to bow

    -ect

    You can Whine

    -Post on stratics demanding a nerf to the template you can't beat.

    Option 2 helps no one.

    Option 1 helps yourself.
     
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    I can't tell if this thread is serious or not
     
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    What kind of mods are on your weapons?
     
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    this thread makes me laugh.
     
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    Come to siege noob!
     
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    Uh-Oh

    The last Devs that said that were MrTact and Speedman. What did we get?

    Machine gun Archers

    Machine gun Archers with Perfection and LS

    Death strike archers

    Dog Archers

    Machine gun Archers with WOD

    Machine gun Archers with high property bows

    Dismount Archers

    Archer tamers

    Mystic Archers

    Man it is kind of like 31 flavors ...

    Ok enough. Just do not play an archer. Play a mage.:)