Maybe I'm playing my pure bard wrong OR I have the wrong last 2 skills (Magery/Meditation), so I humbly ask this question - truly seeking some guidance here. I've killed some DFs the last month or so with a group of folks, usually led by a tamer with a GD. I've noticed that I cannot get more than 300-450 gold worth of "kill ownership" on the Dark Father in Doom! I'd like to here from other, NON-TAMER characters as to what they typically see in gold from the DF. I use gold as the barometer for how much approximate, relative damage I did to the DF. Maybe my barometer is screwed up? Please enlighten me!! I know it's the top 16 damage givers but wouldn't gold return still give you an approx idea of your total damage output? My playstyle is to always have 2 Earth Ele's summonned to kill the DF. If they are both still alive, I wait for spawn and provoke as much as possible until I fail and/or I need to summon a new Earth Ele. I check this summon necessity every 10-15 seconds or so, on average. Maybe an ABC archer would do better, generally? Or a swords warrior?? I'm open to using a different character down there since I don't feel like I'm doing very much in total output.. OH, one last thing: My suit has a 945 base luck suit that I run with. And have 100% LRC, 10% LMC, 15 SDI (useless since I don't have EI and only cast MindBlast and occasional fireball on DF), 2 FCR, 1 FC, and 5 MR.