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Are talisman crafting bonuses being applied correctly?

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Sarsmi, Dec 22, 2008.

  1. Sarsmi

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    I've been making pentagrams with my carpenter, they normally give a 75% success rate but with the talisman equipped is supposed to give 97.7. And I noticed a pretty big fail rate while making them. I tried un- and re-equipping the talisman but that doesn't seem to affect things, so I started to keep count.

    125 uses of the tool, 100 successfully made pentgrams = 80% success rate. So a little better than if she wasn't wearing it at all, but really not where it is supposed to be at. I've noticed the same issue with making potions but haven't tracked it. I know this isn't a large sampling so I was hoping that anyone else who needs to make a big lot of stuff will track their numbers and post them, and maybe it will help to figure out what is going on.

    Thanks!
     
  2. Maplestone

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    sounds like RNG just didn't like you today. I didn't count the numbers, but when I started to made a bunch yesterday, I forgot to equip my talisman and noticed a big difference after I put it on.
     
  3. TheScoundrelRico

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    Operator error?...la
     
  4. aka EBCAK (Error Between Chair And Keyboard)?

    As for Sarsmi and maplestone ... I too disregard the percentages but do note marked increase in success when talismans are on rather than off. That's with Tailoring and Blacksmithing.
     
  5. Gheed

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    I think you were just "lucky". I haven't noticed it much with my talismans. I have noticed if I am using a fairly high LRC suit on a mule I fail alot. They are all 100% now but I remember having one at 96% and failing to recall for lack of regs many times in a row. It seems the RNG is still streaky.
     
  6. Sarsmi

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    Well, I defintely had it equipped and it was definitely my carp talisman. And I checked the percentage more than once. So as far as I can tell I managed to equip it correctly. ;)
     
  7. Sarsmi

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    Alright, made another 100 pentagrams. 127 uses, so thats 27 fails leading to a 78.7% success rate. Yikes.
     
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    I agree with posters who imply that some don't understand apparently impossible strings of failures under the RNG. However this automatic dismissal of the "problem" noticed by the poster may miss the fact that in fact a problem does exist.

    Many times I have started receiving damage much more than expected, given the all 70's suit I am wearing. Also I have noticed many times that my DCI and HLA aren't working as expected. Likewise with Talisman bonuses.

    I have found that completely disrobing, taking off all jewelry, talismans and clothes and putting them back on one at a time will reset all the expected bonuses. Sarsmi... give this a try and see if it helps.
     
  9. Maplestone

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    What are the exact bonuses of the talisman you are using?

    It sounds like you might have one with only an exceptional bonus, not a regular bonus (or not a carpentry one).

    I can't rule out there being a problem and just having had a run of good luck myself, but something's fishy - you're quoting 97.7 as your chance with a talisman ... but I don't see any way that number is possible as a probability ... it requires 100 carpentry for a pentagram with a 75% chance, while the talismans are always whole number bonuses.
     
  10. Sarsmi

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    I'll post a screenshot in a bit, I still need to do a batch of light green dying and it's going slooow.
     
  11. Sarsmi

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    that's weird ... *runs off to test center to check some things*

    edit: ok, yes, something is wonky ... now I'm seeing 50% chance base, but when I equip a talisman it jumps by some number higher than the % on the talisman ... I don't remember this happening in the past, but admittedly crafting pentagrams is not something I do very often
     
  13. Gheed

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    I wonder if the multi skill check is messing with things.... you do have 75 magery yes?
     
  14. Sarsmi

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    77 magery real, 87 with jewelry.
     
  15. Sarsmi

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    It could be something that just affects making pentgrams. I can well imagine I'm the only UO player (or one of a very small number) who would make 100 pentagrams at a time. :p
     
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    So your success rate is around your real magery skill. I wonder if it would make a difference if you were GM in magery? But I think I'm probably on the wrong track.
     
  17. Maplestone

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    I tested against a stockpile of carpentry talismans and found I was getting the crafting menu adding +1.75% per +1% of the talisman ( which is almost consistent with your +27 --> 47.25 , so 50+47.27=97.27 )

    However, I think the server is actually using the real bonus not what is displayed ... which makes your expected percentage 77%
     
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    Wow nice work!
     
  19. Sarsmi

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    I don't suppose you could bug report this for me too? I think you lost me on the math part, and I know if I send this in and I get an email back saying "ok we need more info" then I'm totally hosed. :D
     
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