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Are these vendors legit or of dubious nature?

Discussion in 'UHall' started by domii, Feb 23, 2009.

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  1. domii

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    I few weeks ago I purchased a pair of Inquisitor's Resolution, off this Luna vendor on Great Lakes, for a fairly low price.

    Good deal I thought. But a hour later they restocked with another pair of Inquisitor's, with, this jumped out at me, the exact same durability of 17/213. Since then, I became suspicious and curious, so I kept an eye on the vendor daily. The vendor must have sold a dozen or more of them, (like a pair a day) and as soon as it sells, within a few hours or at most a day, they are restocked. And always with the same durability of 17/213. Is that a incredible coincidence?

    What do I do? Will I get in trouble for owning a pair if they are duped?

    And a FYI, there is also a Barbed Kit vendor that seems to have limitless supplies of Barbed kits, for 2 mil each. And there are always Valorite Runic Hammers, Heartwood Runic Fletching Kits, and Heartwood Runic Saws to be had. Are these guys that crafty in Elf city and lucky with collecting their bods?

    I've read all sorts of nasty accusations on uohall before, but is it still a big problem with duping and scripting or just false finger pointing? And if it is true, is anything still being done about it?

    I suppose it is nice to be able to purchase these things so easily, and cheaply, as some people have said. But I am concerned that my millions of hard earned gold are making some duper richer. And with simple logic, they must be making billions of gold over the long run. I would rather my gold went to an honest player, or maybe even a legit EA gold sink.

    Here are some screenshots from today. Judge it yourself or tell me my worries are unwarranted.

    Thanks for reading.



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  2. Kellgory

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    I think you know the answer to your question. It's highly unlikely that this person had a stockpile of these and that he/she used each pair until they were down to 17/213 durability. You would think that they would have at least repaired the gloves then powered them up to 255/255, but then again they probably don't care anymore.
     
  3. Limlight

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    Pretty amazing example of how blatant the cheaters are now.

    Yeah, the exploiters are caught.
     
  4. Nystul

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    Who's to say the owners of those vendors don't just buy & resell? It's a very easy profitable thing to do. In fact I brought home to my home shard a few valorite/verite runics along with dozens of doom artifacts from the shard I went to. Why? Because I can EASILY resell them on my shard for a mil to a few per which comes out to gain (Covers my transfer).

    If you're going to question something find a house full of dozens upon dozens of valorite runics a long with thousands of armor like I've seen. But why would I care it don't effect me except with cheaper prices...
     
  5. Hemisphere

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    Fencing is a bannable offence also.

    If a vendor is caught "buying and reselling" clearly duped stock, they can also be banned, and this has happened before on a large scale.

    Ignorance is no excuse when it comes to multi-billion gp operations.
     
  6. Yeah, they just happened to buy a bunch of the exact same ultra rare item, with the exact same durability, from a bunch of different players.

    Right.

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  7. Setnaffa

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    If it looks like a dupe/exploit, and smells like a dupe/exploit, then it is most likely a dupe/exploit.
     
  8. Kellgory

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    I have nothing against cross-shard trading. It is a great way of keeping vendors stocked with higher end items and can be quite profitable for those that know how to price items. Before some certain websites came out it was easier to find great deals on some shards because the players on that shard really didn't know how much the item was selling for on another shard. Each cross sharder had their special honey-hole vendor or supplier.

    That isn't the problem the OP had with the vendor in question, it was the fact that they bought a pair IR's for a low price that had 17/213 durability and shortly afterwards low and behold the vendor is restocked another pair with the same durablilty. If they restocked the next pair with 249/255 and then another pair with 254/255, it probably wouldn't have been as obvious, because I could see people selling their IR's if they were replacing it with the faction IR's with better resists and all you need is to be level 10 and pay 5K in silver. I do suspect that there is another round of duping going on and I would suspect that the dev's are aware of it as well and are watching the people that are doing it in order to round them all up and have another mass banning. It is hard to believe that all these val and verite hammers in addition to all the armour and weapons made from these runics on the market is just the result of them increasing the colored bod drop rate.
     
  9. UltimatePower

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    There was a new dupe made public towards the end of December, It's a very simple method. I bet it still works, and the dev's haven't a clue.

    Dev's Pm me if you want more info.
     
  10. TheScoundrelRico

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    Please God (or devs) don't ever allow cross shard moves come to Siege. Talk about inflation...la
     
  11. UOKaiser

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    Sadly you can't tell it's duped in this case it's well kind of obvious cause of durabilitie unless it's him buying his own stock everyday cause it cant sell and replacing it. Difficult to beleive that everyday theres a person out there that want to buy inq for 20mil when clearly faction ones are much much less. So no don't beleive it's a dupe he just buying his own stock and replacing the same one. No one is that handicap to not repair the durabilitie on there inq.

    As to the other one there resellers. Im a reseller I buy a good 10 barbed kits from 10 different people each week and turn in my bods every month for quite alot more then I resell it. I have quite a few saved up from the years. When I see price go up I drop my stock out there.
     
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    It's not going to get any better when Imbueding comes out as far as the runics go. They'll make more gold unravelling for ingredients and ubering out the items that got close. As much as it pains me to say there is on drastic fix that an ingame poll could be half the answer. Should every resource gathered/GM made item/runic/BOD/gold in check form + excess of 5 mil on a vendor be removed from the game before SA's release. And the other half is an active in game GM support hunting those special people.

    After all theese years I got my first val hammer part. 1 in 4000 my retired ass. Now the market the way it is I have no desire to chase the other 6.
     
  13. Flutter

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    There's so much duping in this game right now they might as well just give everyone a test shard bank box.
     
  14. Warpig Inc

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    The poster bought one to see it replaced by one of the same durability
     
  15. At the very least, if they are not going to enforce the rules, they should just make the dupe method known to everyone, thereby eliminating the need and benefit for it.
     
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    There is a vendor on almost all shards named "BKIT 2.0" that sells 5 barbed kit at 2mil each. If anyone buy a bkit, the vendor is restoked in the next 2 hours.

    Now, on some shards these vendors are selling 60k frostwood / bloodwood / heartwood, etc.. with the same price, same descriptions..

    ps: it's easy to see these vendors, browsing some websites that shown luna vendors and prices. Look for "barbed kit" and click on the vendor that sells for 2m.
     
  17. Saris

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    well the the facts are stacking up here, you would think if you were making money off UO, you would cover your tracks, the durabilty thing is either a bug(dobtfull) or a dupe.

    Did you report it?

    I say fireworks are lovely this time of year.

    Dupes in my book are horrible ways to treat the ecconmy esp if you are paying your rent, its like killing the golden goose for the gold inside.

    may have to buy me a pair though thats cheap lol
     
  18. UOKaiser

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    That will be extremly drastic especially seing that 90% of the player base have alot more than 5mil gold. Hell you can make 5mil in moments with a little reselling. Second option is no good not enough money for so much gm support.
     
  19. UOKaiser

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    Did not see that ok never mind my previous post on this particular vender if the poster himself bought a 20 mil inq. Still no reason to buy it though it's worthless other to check if it was a dupe.
     
  20. UOKaiser

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    Are they owned all by one player or by a multi shard guild. Most guild name there venders with a certain signal. Either way if they where duped barbed kits and runic hammers can't be traced in anyway and are from the previous dupes that they fixed.
     
  21. Dermott of LS

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    If you want to see how many of an item they have stocked but stacked on each other, simply use the KR slotted view or list view to see them (no freeform hide and seek).

    If I see more than one Valorite Runic on a vendor, I will simply pass the rest of the house by regardless what else may be for sale there.

    If you see a bunch of the same artifact with the same odd durability rating, I think the same rules apply as well... PASS.
     
  22. Wakiza

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    Duping in UO is still very active. And during times like these (recession) the people doing it are making good money. I can't say i blame them. After all it is just a game.
     
  23. Saris

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    It may be just a game but to make money the money in game has to be woth somehting. Some ppl also play this game becuase of the aspect of mechanting and buisness. Dupes hurt the economy in many ways thus hurting the game, if you want to ruin a game I play then it pisses me off, I can blame them easly.

    If (and im not) I was in charge than I would not only ban folks, I would send my big shot EA lawyers after them.
     
  24. Maplestone

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    dupe bugs should not survive longer than 24 hours ... there should be a tripwire that sets off the bat signal and soonafter leads to flamestrikes of holy wrath :(

    alas, they doesn't seem to be be a realistic expectation with the current database/logging/procedures.

    (*struggles to find a silver lining*)

    well, if they absorb a few billion gold and get banned, it would at least make a gold sink :)
     
  25. Maplestone

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    If I'm paying money to attend, I consider it more than just a game.
     
  26. Saris

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    or every time we log check our items for dupes and delete them, kinda like the rust storm thing bliz did for diablo2 back in the day.

    or now that i think about this ust do it on all accounts weekly, save me time logging in lol
     
  27. Xalan Dementia

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    yea the same vendor shop operates on atl and other shards. the vendor shop's owner claims he hires shut ins and disabled people to farm high end items. the inq alone is proof of dupage.
     
  28. DPudding

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    We got a dude on Catskills selling Val runics at the bank. Been doing it for a couple days.
     
  29. 4th3ist

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    Aye I seen them for at least a couple of days now. I don't understand why these things are as out of hand as they are.. I recall back in the day GMs have the ability to read an extensive log of all a players actions in detail.. Shouldn't this make it blatantly obvious to find out who is duping or not? Don't even have to MONITOR these people, just sift through the logs for the ones who get reported DAILY and dig up some dirt..
     
  30. domii

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    Well, I guess my suspicions are probably warranted. I haven't paged a GM. I really didn't know what to say, I probably should have done something.

    The gloves are gone now. Should be interesting to see if another pair appears again.

    I was curious, so I ran around on a couple of other shards.

    I did see a pair on Baja that was 212/212 (which could be 17/213 after repairing). But who knows, to iffy to jump to a conclusion there.

    I tried hunting on Atlantic, but there were way to many vendors and I was lagged. So I gave up. But on Chesapeake I found this..

    Coincidence again..

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  31. Take a look at the name of that vendor house and compare it to a couple selling the same exact thing on Atlantic. It should not come as a surprise.
     
  32. Hemisphere

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    lol

    It beggars belief that the GMs aren't patrolling Luna on every shard, checking vendors, and investigating/banning accordingly.

    Remember a while ago when they banned all those big brokers and shop owners? Sure, a handful of people complained, and there were one or two genuine mistakes, but most of them just took it, and some of them left the game for good. Time for another round of that, as people are clearly starting to take the **** here.
     
  33. Lady Aalia

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    our special friend on ATL has a bunch of those vendors , my friend found a real bargain in it last week...

    Skull mug only 15 mill....
    I told him bout the stealables thats been sold as sirver births so we decided to send Messana an email.

    She answered right away and told us if it is a blue mug its a fake and if its white it should be real.

    The mug was white, but i did caution him again , that i myself had only troubles with that vendor (the famous newly discovered daily rare plates for 15 mill *cough*)

    After a day of debate he did buy it only to see it restocked right away
     
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    False, there's BEEN SO MUCH duping, and there IS so many left overs. :scholar:
     
  35. Hemisphere

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    Well several posts in this thread infer knowledge of a more recent dupe. It's always easier to doubt in cases like this but it's not like new dupes don't appear in the game every now and then.
     
  36. Tomas_Bryce

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    In theory it is possible that it is only a coincidence that exact same vendors are selling durability 17 IR's on multiple shards but you have me convinced that they are duped :) - now the question that begs to be answered is if this is a new dupe or an old stock? If it is a new dupe then we will find out about it for certain in another two to three months. Alas, that is how it goes but posts like this certainly help in putting the pieces together. I would like to congratulate you on a job well done.

    Either way, it is upto the GM's to investigate this and take action. I would most certainly send a detailed email with shard, vendor locations (coordiantes), shop names, vendor names, etc. They are definitely read imo but do not expect action to be taken overnight.
     
  37. GalenKnighthawke

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    It's often hard to tell a dupe.

    Luckily, whomever this is is making it fairly obvious.

    Find another vendor.

    -Galen's player
     
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    Ok All, I have been in Luna City for 2.5 years to thus date, and still I say shame on the whiners that are 1 sided, while I appreciate the individuals who see all sides.

    1) I am a Husband, and father to a toddler (slightly over 2 years)
    2) I am a Canadian Federal and Provincial Politician (Nominated Candidate)
    3) I work full time, National Operations Analyst, Subcontractor, Ebay Power seller for Collectibles, and I have my own website (www.UltimatePriceGuide.com)
    4) I am also a full time student: Grant MacEwan Community College (Edmonton), since 2008 September.
    5) School Focus: BSc (major), Religion-History (minor), Environmental Health Inspection (Specialty) which means I'll be doing this for another 4.5 years.

    My schedule since some of you like 1 sided gossip and back bitting:
    530 am MST I get up have a shower, eat
    600 am MST I get on UO and get .1 to .5 skill point raise per character
    630 am MST My bus arrives
    715 am MST at school, and study for 45 minutes.
    800 am MST my first class starts.
    315 pm MST my last class ends.
    320 pm MST bus arrives
    400 pm MST back at home, start homework, and studies
    500 pm MST wife picks up toddler from home day care
    530 pm MST wife is now home, supper and family time (90 minutes)
    700 pm MST back to studies
    900 pm MST take a break
    930 pm MST bed time

    Weekends:
    Friday is same schedule; sucks to be my wife for the next 4.5 years!

    Saturday work, and study; I might do 2 hours of home work

    Sunday, family day as toddler hates that she has no time with dad.

    EA UO knows my static ip address as I gave it to them a long time ago. They watch my each log in and found my UO habits of:

    1) weekday log in to gain skill points
    2) weekends: cartography (library rune book making)
    -buying Alacrity and Scrolls of Transcendence

    When socialist players approach me with their jealousy of they have been playing for 1 month to 11 years and they dont make gold then they demand I give my gold to them I think that is very socialist, and UO is not a welfare state. I ask them what they like to do in UO, and they tell me what skills they like to do.

    1 example is on GL there I have 2 renters that like hunting and making Golem Kits and they won't do anything else. So I show them UO.stratics.com information tell them to read, and give them my Genesis Guarantee:
    "If you the newbie does not make any gold on my land, then your 2nd week is free, " and I have yet to give out a 2nd week free.

    So tell me who in their right mind is a duper, or scripter of Golem Kits? Ok lets look at other renters shall we? Arcane Gems (oooh there's profit!), and how about Arrows or Bolts?

    So my goal is the game is to make the in game fun, and quicken the game as its so freaking hard. Enter a Rune Library inside of Luna City! Positive Karma people recognize positive situations, where negative gossip people will always have a 1 sided limited opinion without much evidence or all the statistical factual evidence!

    Life is simple, and keep it simplified.

    Now in relation to other players if they are good at what they do then great, let them enjoy selling Golem Kits, Arcane Gems, Kegs, Arrows, Spined Kits, Paragon Arties, doom arties, scrolls and other items.

    If a single player can solo doom because they made a godly weapon, great power to that person who got lucky with the UO Gods and that percentile ratio of crafting that 1 Godly Item that I seem to never get over the past 5 years. Some are lucky at being a tailor, or smith, others are lucky at bowcrafting, or lumberjacking. Some are great at Paragons ..... etc etc

    Now in relation to "fencing" I've heard that term kick around and still yet to know what it means and truly I care less for its term.

    Why simple: it doesn't apply to me. I have more important things in life to be concerned about that means something to my local community.

    1) I dont get paid to Police each of my 250 renters (on all shards) by each second, minute, hour, and day. Each renter is responsible for their own actions.
    2) EA UO their job is paid to police each one of us.
    3) The gossip of Dup's has been around for 11 years now? So why hasn't EA UO fixed their own code that they have made?
    3a) Its not broken
    3b) Its broken and they dont mind.

    --side note, when my website is broken:
    a) I get staff to fix it ASAP
    b) If its too expensive to fix due to lack of budget, then we delay fixing it.

    3c) EA UO is a large company that has a budget to fix anything they want, so 11 years later I would gather they fixed duplication bugs. If they didn't then obviously they would ban.

    So what do I think if duplication? It deflates the in game UO Economy due to over saturation. Therefore if someone dup's a barbed kit yes they should be banned. If a buyer buys the barbed kit in game without knowning who the renter is that buyer is blissfully ignorant and should not be auto banned; yes I have known of innocents that have been wrongly banned. Therefore I would think that EA UO should make a code for buyers to view the renters name but obviously that would not really help as we all would have the player name of John.

    Remember UO does ban names like uoresources if its a player name.

    So in closing, UO does ban the guilty as they hold all evidence of account info, credit cards, addresses, IP log in server info, log in times, in game journal communication, and actions.

    So just because someone can solo doom and I can't means yes they are better at that skill than I am, but yet I will still train my smith, and tailor (ok ok confession I haven't done that in 1 year). Ok ok Im a library maker as they are hard to make which I am very good at, while others dont have the patience.

    Lesson learned if someone is good at what they do: golem kits, arcane gems, kegs, arrows, plants, minor arties, community turn ins, scrolls, doom, tailor, smith, bows, pvp ..... let them be good at it, and keep your jealousy to yourself.

    People get upset that they are good at 1 skill, but they suck at another. That is called life, career as some are great at being doctors, while others are better at being olympic athletes, while others are good at WoW, or UO, or whatever their in game NICHE is.

    So if you are good at 1 skill in UO then focus and make gold off of it. If you suck at another skill and have jealousy obviously you have posted here. So time to either drop 1 skill and learn another the long and hard way, or keep wasting your time reading gossip posts and 1 sided view points. Learn to get all the facts, habits, real life situations, and what really goes on.

    Again ..... I won't be posting for quite some time and hope this is put to rest.

    Again ..... any concerns: www.Support.EA.com send endless (crying wolf) stories to them daily, hourly, by the minute and second and see where it gets you; perhaps a restraining order for harassment or stalking of those actions towards www.Support.EA.com!

    Again ..... if you claim to have evidence then the Dev Team would gladly know that knowledge hence www.Support.EA.com

    Until those times, sounds like you would rather waste your time on a gossip board than in game successes. The mark of success is a vision of the finish line, training to get to that point, doing repetitive actions to increase your percentage, being smart, efficience, productive, then working hard as your smartness, while you enjoy the finish line. Dont get it? Ask any athlete, or person who is going to post secondary school. Still a narcisist, read Robert Schulluers, Power of Positivity, or any positive book to get you positive actions and a positive reward.

    Genesis Archives
     
  39. hawkeye_pike

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    Out of curiosity:
    Who would pay 20 million for a pair of gloves with crappy resists and not really good mods?
     
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    Long story to say nothing. Not sure where the golem kits and arcane gems come into this since even almost new char can gather those items. I don't know your vendor house, nor do I play on that shard, I was was just answering the OP's question about is it possible that the item was duped when the vendor restocked another pair of rare doom stealable with the same durability. About the only thing I got from your post was that your busy and don't have time to police your vendors, and besides that is what UO staff should be doing since they are a large company. That is about like saying I have 5 rent houses and work full time, and someone comes up and shows me pictures of drugs being sold out of one of the rent houses, and I respond by saying "I'm a busy person and I don't have the time to check up on what my renters do, besides they are always on time with the rent, and the picture doesn't prove anything they could be giving bags of powdered suger. It's the goverments responsiblity to catch them anyways, I'm just the owner of the house." Of course when they do get busted and the house siezed, it's the owner that goes crying that they didn't know and how unfair the system works against them.
     
  41. UltimatePower

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    So do i need to post the dupe here on stratics for everyone too see, so that it will get fixed??? That seemed to work, last time someone did it.
     
  42. Hemisphere

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    Yea, go on.
     
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    If this vendor home owner was just on one shard with questionable vendors it would be one thing, but the exact same vendors and houses run on multiple shards. if it was just one vendor id say uber flamestrike the vendor and maybe fine or warn the home owner, but in this case take all vendors off these properties and hold thier items for investigation, once found guilty burn the homes down. rinse, repeat.
     
  45. Kellgory

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    Just did a search on a website to remain unnamed, and saw that there are 3 pairs of Inquisitor's for sale that have either the same durability or close. Great Lakes 17/213, Chessy 17/213, and Baja 212/212. Not sure if these vendor are owned by the same person or three different people. If its three different people then they probably wouldn't know if the item was duped or not, but the problem with the Great Lakes vendor is that the OP stated that they had bought a pair with 17/213 durability and shortly afterwards the vendor restocked the vendor with another pair with the exact same durability, which doesn't make the vendor look all that innocent.

    If it's a new dupe or an old one that is still working, please report it to UO/EA/Mythic and hope that they do something about it quickly, but don't hold your breath.
     
  46. Petra Fyde

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    This is not the place to address this matter.

    Anyone who has any real information on this:

    Feedback sheet:

    http://www.uoherald.com/feedback/index.php

    Send it as 'bug report' 'general'
    Begin the 'comments' with URGENT - DUPING EXPLOIT.
     
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