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Are You Kidding???

Discussion in 'UHall' started by uoBuoY, Sep 20, 2009.

  1. uoBuoY

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    I'm a bit of late starter but tonight I started training Imbuing on a human crafter. Tonight I used 22 Fire Rubies to gain (using Petra's Training guide) from 40.0 to 41.0??? This is insane!!! Is this really how Imbuing gains? Failures 50% of the time? An item that takes 3MA to imbue unraveling to 1 MA? Or am doing something terribly wrong?
     
  2. The Fallout

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    Why are you using fire rubies I just went from 70 to 76.3 using Magical Residue, Enchanted Essence, Rubies, Citrine, Tourmaline, and Emeralds..... granted I used 500 of each gem and also 500 Amber too. I also used 500 residue and essence.
     
  3. Pawain

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    Even if you do use only plain gems, its still a ridiculously expensive skill to train.
     
  5. aarons6

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    you gotta use an exceptional dagger...
     
  6. Petra Fyde

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    The whole point of the training guide I made was to prove that you don't need expensive resources to train it. At no point do I advise anyone to use fire rubies.
    At 40 - 41 the guide advises rpd on leather caps! Daggers or skinning knives at 50 ish.
     
  7. Uvtha

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    It is a nice skill though. And a good skill for the game overall. Give people more reasons to get out there and hunt. Now if they would only drop the ingredients on old world monsters too.
     
  8. MissEcho

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    It is no more expensive to train than any other craft skill, as for the lesser gems all are available for nothing as are all resources in the game if you just go and gather them.

    I got to GM without spending a single gp on gems and or items for residue.

    It is only 'expensive' for those who prefer to 'buy' their training materials rather than get off their butts and go gather them for free.
     
  9. Considering that it takes upwards of 50k+ gems, if you try to farm that many, you might make 120 Imbuing before the next expansion comes out, but only if it's another 4 yrs.....:wall:
     
  10. Silly Seadog

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    Arrrr, be that the over/under?
     
  11. Silverbird

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    Nope .... I can get around 350 gems/hour farming if I 'concentrate' on gems (those are coming along with about 120 items to unravel). So after around 150 hours of gem-farming, I would have enough. And that is not counting that it usually should take less than 2 years for a 120 skill, if you only concentrate on GGS. (Btw GGS uses way less resources than powergaining a skill. *g*)
     
  12. The Fallout

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    Residue and essence I do hunt for, because it is feasible..... gems on the other hand, I have gained 20 points so far (50-71) and used a couple thousand gems..... no way I am hunting for that LOL
     
  13. Dermott of LS

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    Imbuing SHOULD be expensive to gain and use. It's about time the game had a decent, consistent gold sink.

    Secondly, if you're using Fire Rubies at 40 - 41 skill, you're doing it wrong.

    Should need only Residue and Citrines and getting the citrines is EASY if you know how to handle your resources.
     
  14. Dermott of LS

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    "Hunting" for enough gems is easy enough, just follow below:

    1. Determine your target Gem (Say for example you just bought up to 40, so your current target gem is Citrine)
    2. Get the Raptor quest (just to have an extra quest running)
    3. Go do the Farmer Nash quest as many times as possible until you are FULL of loot. (The Farmer quest spawns Raptors, which is why you take the Raptor quest above)
    4. Put all magic items looted in one bag, gems and gold in one bag, and Museum quest items in a third bag.
    5. If you have max Strength as a human, you should either hit the 125 item limit or the 612 "cannot carry more weight" limit. At this point you should have about 12-15k in gold, around 20 of most gem, and a load of items.
    6. Dump the items back at tyour house for your imbuer to unravel
    7. Take the gold and gems to a Jeweler. Sell ALL the gems EXCEPT your "target gem" (in this case Citrines)
    8. Use the 20-25k gold you should have to buy as many Citrines you can afford. This should net you close to the entire 500 count stack.
    9 Repeat from step 3 until you finish the Raptor quest, then turn in the Raptor quest and repeat from step 2.
     
  15. guum

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    Yeah. I've gone from 40-114 on just Residue, Amber, and Rubies. Granted, I've used a *lot* of Residue, Amber, and Rubies, but nothing any trickier than that.
     
  16. Basara

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    612 isn't the carry limit - it's 550 stone weight in your backpack. You just weigh 62 stone, with your worn equipment, Dermott.
     
  17. That would be 50 days worth of doing nothing but farming for gems, IF you play 3 hours every single day, 7 days a week, doing nothing but hunting for those gems.
     
  18. Pawain

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    Just carry the unraveling bag with you and place the items to be unraveled in it. When full, your warrior can drop the gems and money off at the bank. Then go unravel the items in the bag. 0 skill will unravel most of the items in the bag.
     
  19. Ender

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    The gem cost is ridiculous. You just can't deny it.
     
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  21. Ender

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    The residue cost isn't exactly great either, but I guess I can kinda deal with it. I gained like 4 full points off a little over 2000 residue. And I'm only at 87.5 :/
     
  22. Green Mouser

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    You must be the player spending their life killing Earthies. I compliment your desire to be a "purist" but to spend months to gather a resource just to train I think is beyond most player's patience levels. Goodluck to you and 120 during the next Presidential Election.

    Also; if you wait much longer it will take the loot off of one Elle just to buy one gem. Just incase you were counting on the gold to increase your pace.
     
  23. Dermott of LS

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    There are faster ways to get gems than Earth elems... just sayin'.
     
  24. Silverbird

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    *giggles* No ... I dont ....
    Besides that ... I doubt that there is any earth ele spawn fast enough to bring up 350 gems/hour. (Considering every earthy has only one gem.)
    Ppl seem to get really silly when it comes to imbuing. It is a truly powerful crafting skill (my opinion) but it is a funny thing to see so many players working on something when it looks like they are not really interested into.
    I was only commenting the guess of someone, that it make take 4 years of hunting, if someone wants to train imbuing on hunting results.
    There was another thing, I was wondering about .... I have seen Petra's guide for imbuing and I know, that she choosed some of the properties to train on, becourse they use the cheapest gems (ember & citrine). Have you realized that prices on them from some NPCs became higher than those of other gems? (NPC rise its price per 1 gp for each 1000 gems sold.) Instead of changing to the next expensive gem (and the need to exchange the property to work on) and reducing the costs, most simply tend to still follow the guide even thought it would be cheaper to rethink of the methode? (Actually the methode is fine ... it only needs to get adopted to changing gem prices.)

    Ah ... and between ... now with gems beeing an aftersought resource .... anyone remembers some of the rare jewelrys? Like a pair of 10k-diamonds ring&bracelet? I always wondered how (long) someone might have worked onto to collect so many diamonds.
     
  25. Beastmaster

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    Alot of folks can't think for themselves, hence all the threads here begging for a simple solution, or a link to one since they admit they are lazy, too lazy to even find the stickied guides on their own.

    In summary, don't come to UHall with the expectation of finding much intelligence around. There are some brilliant folks here too, but they get outnumbered and outshouted by the rest.
     
  26. Drawde2

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    There's also treasure hunting, fishing, and mining for your gem needs.
     
  27. Ender

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    Mining the gems needed for imbuing? LMFAO



    You can mine for an hour and burn the gems in a couple sets of 10 imbues.
     
  28. Drawde2

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    True, but if you're mining you probably want the ore as well, so you might as well get both.

    The point is that you can get the gems while doing other stuff, not just hunt for gems only. Not to mention that you can use ALL gems you find, not just one, to train with. Especially if you save previous imbues (if you have room) to add more to later.
     
  29. Beastmaster

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    Come back and talk to us about gems when you've trained imbuing over 105.
     
  30. kaldera4

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    where do i get the raptorquest? didnt find the questgiver
     
  31. No one said they weren't interested in the skill, just that the cost is astronomical. Since the expansion just got released, now is the time to get any changes made that need to be.


    "Most people" would not continue to pay prices for gems that were higher than others. They'd go with the lower priced gems and go from there. You must think the average UO player is an idiot if you believe what you wrote above. Personally, I think most people would find that insulting.

    Besides, there are places to buy gems that the price resets on a regular basis, so you're always paying the low price, without having to worry about it being raised by other players. THIS is the smart way to do things, not continuing to pay inflated prices to town NPC's that every other player is also using.


    Nope. It's good just the way it is right now.
     
  32. Fink

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    I trained the "expensive" way:

    I spent about 2m buying up regular gems and sundry items such as unraveling bags. I still have more gems than I'll need for a long time and enough bags to go around all my characters. Didn't burn anything above residue, didn't need mined gems. Used up a bunch of dull/shadow/copper hammers making more difficult things to imbue. Took me all of two days' worth of play spread over 3-4 days. I made 4m on my first sale, have lost track of how much I've made since.

    Even without the remarkable return, which I'm sure will diminish as time passes, I consider it a cheap skill to train. You can go fast or cheap, you can dial in your own difficulty level, and gains are steady right through to 120.
     
  33. pgcd

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    If you have some time on your hands, the "cheap" way seems to be effective: I hunt Miasma with my sampire and loot everything until i'm almost overweight then go home and drop the bag - repeat three times, end up with 150 items or so - then start training with the would-be artificer.
    The system is very simple: I check every single object, imbue if I can have a 60/62% chance by using a single residue and gem, unravel if the chance is too low. When the chance is too high, I'll see if I can lower it with a single gem on a different property (say, adding some LRC), otherwise unravel.

    For the sake of argument, here's the numbers for my last session:

    Start 16:16 - end 16:47
    Skill 71.6 -> 75.1
    Residue 165 -> 6
    amber 2234 -> 2195
    citrine 2143 -> 1878


    All in all, to gain 4.5 skill I used 159 residue and 304 gems. Roughly it's about 340gp for a .1 - which means, if the gains remain like this, that you can train all the way from 40 to 120 spending less than 300K gp and in less than a couple days. Not that bad, I think.
     
  34. Beastmaster

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    I have had streaks of 100 SUCCESSFUL imbues without .1 gain and this is while staying within a 52-58% success rate.

    I am NOT complaining about the skill gains or cost though. I think they got it right. My only complaint is the tough time folks will have getting relic fragments for even simple imbuing tasks.
     
  35. UOKaiser

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    HeH wait till after gm. You gonna see major resource use or you can train it slower with less resource and be finish in a month or more can'ttell how long doing it the slow way. Just know I used as much resource from 110 to 120 as I used from 40 to 110
     
  36. UOKaiser

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    I stood in the 48-60 range always found my sweet spot at 53 or so but faster gains with more resource loss at 48. You still gain after 10 attemps on a item but to maximize gains 10 times per item is best. I actually enjoyed trining this skill. I like the concept of gaining at accelerate speeds whithin a 10 try radius and then gaining at regular speeds after that. It was interesting.
    Expensive but for some reason I didn't get bored as fast.

    I agree relic fragments are gonna be tough to get but thats where the runic hammers come in and I hope high end drops. Got 9 relic so far but got plenty of more to unravel for them. Sadly tried in test center and didn't see the high end material needed for max property. Even though maxed out property weight and it still don't coompare with my current equipment too bad.
     
  37. Shamus Turlough

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    Using barbed kits as an example, I burned 2 barbed runics on gorgets. That is 30 gorgets. Out of those 30, 14 of them were high enough to unravel into relics.
     
  38. Thats roughly how I'm doing it also, only with a different character and a different named monster :p, I went over GM last night (101.2!) and its still working very well, I seem to get 1.5 for every 4 Unravel Bags. As far as gems, at first I was looting them (& hunting somewhere else) but it really isn't worth it imo, you can buy 500 for 20-30k (at least the ones I'm using Amber & Citrines - cover Hit Dispel/RPD/Luck/DI - for Weapons/Armor/Shields/Jewlery) at the NPC and its a lot easier to farm 30k (if you needed to) than 500 gems. It's also much easier on the clicks/macros as you can do the same item 10x, I still get the occasional 5 gains in a row. I'm using the range 50-70, consentrating on 60 if the item allows, though always above 50 and below 70.

    I also used my Crystal Vollem on my mule (which is basically a Nightmare anyone can use) to get Noble status for the Queens Forge.

    Also, a few times while gathering I used a luck suit for higher mod items, and have had a few Relics. Which I wish I'd known before I unravelled most of a set of Arties for the 120 scroll lol, but oh well.
     
  39. Endrik

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    Im at 120, and I think that its just fine the way it is. The guide is great if you dont want to think for yourself. If you're not too lazy to get of your mental @$$ and put a little thought into it you can find a few ways to train at a fraction of the cost.
     
  40. MorganaLeFey

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    The range I'm using is between 43% and 55% and I seem to be hitting gains ok. Of course, I'm only at 91.9 (I'm not terribly in a hurry) and I expect I will have to make some adjustments when training pass GM.

    Petra's guide is a very good reference for those that don't want to use up brain cells, this is true. Personally though, I'm doing slightly better by imbuing slightly ahead of her numbers. Even though it may cost an extra gem or two. Soon I will have to rethink my strategy as I get into the upper doldrums but that is half the fun. The other part is finding the cheapest jeweler in all of Sosaria and buying my gems (amber and emerald) from those. There aren't many of them but it does give me enough for the days imbuing routine.