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Discussion in 'UHall' started by jaraxlebaenrae, May 18, 2010.

  1. jaraxlebaenrae

    jaraxlebaenrae Journeyman
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    Is there a bug where area effect spells such as wither can now be cast by a blue char and damage another blue?

    The reason I ask is I was on my thief in fel despise and hidden and a guy ran by and cast wither and it revealed and damaged me...

    This is the second time it has happened in the last month or so and both times it was the same char that did it.
     
  2. chuckoatl

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    wither does not reveal.
     
  3. Konge

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    Is your thief in the thieves guild? if so you're not really blue, you're really perma gray, it just doesn't show unless you stole from that person.
     
  4. Yen Sid

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    He was probably an elf so you got revealed and he happened to cast wither as you were being revealed so you got hit? Idk throwing ideas out here lol.
     
  5. Barry Gibb

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    Are you a member of the Thieves Guild? If you are you are freely attackable by anyone, which might explain why this happens.

    Stayin Alive,

    BG
     
  6. Beer_Cayse

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    While you could be permagray ... I know AE has always affected blue/innocent in the area. Example: Paladin Holy Light ... try it in the area of a blue Wandering Healer. Seriously.

    The description of targeting valid foe in the area forgets to tell you ALL mobiles in the area are valid.
     
  7. jaraxlebaenrae

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    Not a member of the thieves guild, only even use the guy to stealth around and steal spawning rares and the occassional monster loot..this is the second time this has happened, both times it was the same guy...also i wasnt moving around when i was damaged and revealed...On a side note it doesnt say "so and so is attacking you" or anything.

    edit: just ran into the char at Luna and he is not an elf either...
     
  8. Konge

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    Blue healers are different than blue players you know... -_-
     
  9. Tina Small

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    I just did an experiment with two "blue" elven chars while in Fel. The necro character is in a non-faction guild and the other character is in TB but not in a guild. I cast wither and earthquake and various types of field spells with the necro mage character while standing right on top of the hidden TB character, both inside the house and outside of it, and nothing happened. The hidden character took no damage of any sort. She also didn't take any damage from the same spells while not hidden.

    I'm assuming what I just experienced is normal.....nothing buggy about it.

    Going to try some potion-throwing next.

    No effect on the hidden blue nonguilded TB character when I used a different blue character to throw explosion and conflag pots on the tile where she was standing while in Fel.
     
  10. jaraxlebaenrae

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    as i said earlier, the only time it has ever happened to me, it was the same char that did it...my char has never been guilded or in factions..so I dont know what is up..I will try to duplicate it again later if i see that char again.
     
  11. G.v.P

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    And like Yen Sid said, you probably were passively revealed and are perma gray.

    Some forms, however, will get you withered even if you aren't perma gray, like for example, if you go into Reaper Form through SW, you are freely attackable in Fel by anyone ... while visible, at least, haha.

    Were you in any forms while traveling?
     
  12. jaraxlebaenrae

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    char has never been in the thieves guild..so perma gray is not viable

    char was in animal form..
     
  13. jtw1984

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    If you are in animal form and someone casts earthquake you will automatically turn grey to them.

    Actually let me edit this. I know this works when someone in animal form is hidden because I use this tactic. I'm not sure if it works when not hidden though.
     
  14. WarUltima

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    Blue wither only hits gray reds and oj.
    If what you said was true you didn't flag him and you are not perma gray and you are not red and not in faction then its a bug. However I am leaning towards you've done something to cause you to become flagged or maybe your character is ****ed. Next time it happens get owned and see if u can count him or kill him and see if you turn gray.

    Or if you aren't doing anything illegal call a GM and see a canned msg... I mean ask the gm and see if your char is ****ed.
     
  15. Konge

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    You were perma grey because you were in animal form. There, case solved.
     
  16. jaraxlebaenrae

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    So animal form makes you perma gray? Since when? I have been playing a ninja for over 2 years now and never had that happen until recently...


    Not trying to be a smart aleck, sincerely asking when did that happen.
     
  17. Konge

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    it's kinda obvious, area effect spells don't affect blues unless cast by a red or gray, was the person gray or red? If they were, then that's the reason

    So if you're blue, and they're blue, and you're not in the thieves guild. Then the only thing not accounted for is Animal Form

    Yay deductive reasoning.
     
  18. G.v.P

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    Ah okay, not sure then. Hm, sorry if I missed you saying you aren't in thieves guild.
     
  19. WarUltima

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    I am pretty sure there used(?) to be a bug that making animal form player perma gray. I dont know if the bug current but I killed plenty of stealth archer thats running away in animal form... They are OJ to me but when I kill them their corpse shows gray for some reason. And THIS i have seen it happen TODAY.

    Maybe that's the reason.

    Also you play ninja for a long time doesnt mean you will catch the bug especially you are probably hidden 99% of your time when you play it in Fel. :thumbup1:
     
  20. Viper09

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    First thing: Perma-gray is no longer in affect. Thieves can no longer be perma-gray. This went out with the introduction of AoS or sooner.

    Second: Being in a thief guild does not make you freely attackable by anyone. It just means you cannot report murders.

    Third: To my knowledge wither no longer affects hidden people.

    Fourth: The only reason a blue person can hurt you with an area spell is if you are flagged to them.

    Fifth: Being in animal form no longer makes you gray or freely attackable. They fixed that quite a while ago (unless it's bugged again)

    I have played a thief for a long long time. I hide a lot and pretty much know the ins-and-outs for the whole stealing in fel. Still play one.

    To the OP: Are you sure you just simply didn't get reveal by walking onto a trap? Are you sure what revealed you simply wasn't just passive reveal? It could be possible that the person who ran by you set off a trap and it was really the trap that damaged and revealed you.
     
  21. G.v.P

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    I don't know. I know I've seen blue thieves get killed post AOS, in guardzone no less (Yew Gate), repeatedly (ie not the result of a theft). Maybe it's a carry over. Then again, last time I ran a thief it was to get a lantern, haha.

    However, another example of thief buggery happened at the Magincia invasion. Thieves who died trying to get blood tiles were freely lootable. And that was post AOS. Heh, so I don't know about that.

    Either way, OP says he isn't in the guild, so it's a non-issue as far as OP is concerned. Back to task, I don't remember when wither ever hurt hidden peeps. So yeah, either it's a trap, passive from a monster of player, the OP accidentally ran out of stealth, or a bug of some sort. But you'd think the OP would see either the damage/trap explo or the reveal words if it wasn't a bug.
     
  22. Viper09

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    Well, maybe it was a bit after AoS when they removed perma-gray. I don't remember precisely when it happened, but I know for a fact it is no longer part of the game. But yes, I didn't mention that, but thieves in the thief guild are 100% freely loot-able, even in tram (unless they changed that, I don't typically play my thief in tram :p )
     
  23. Tina Small

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    I did some experimenting with this tonight:

    I had an unguilded blue character use one of the ninjitsu animal forms (bake kitsune). While hidden, my necro mage could stand right on top of the character in bake kitsune form and wither like a fiend with nothing happening to the hidden character. However, once I had the hidden character come out of hiding while still in animal form, as soon as the necro started withering, her spell attacked the character in animal form.

    Same thing happened when using an unguilded blue character that first went into reaper form (spellweaving) and then polymorphed into a chicken using magery. As soon as the unguilded blue character came out of hiding, using wither spell in her vicinity caused the necro mage character to attack her. While hidden, nothing happened.
     
  24. Viper09

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    Was the cast of wither red?
     
  25. Tina Small

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    Nope. In all scenarios, both characters were blue as blue can be. The necro mage was in a guild and the other characters were unguilded and have never belonged to the thieves guild (neither victim had any stealing skill of any sort). And with the victim character that tried out reaper form and then chicken form, I made sure that her bar went back to blue (as far as the necro mage was concerned) after using wither on her while exposed in reaper form and before trying out wither on her in chicken form.

    Throwing conflag pots at a blue character visible in reaper form is interesting. Neco character pulled the spellweaver character's bar before she went into reaper form. Then I put the spellweaver in reaper form and as far as the necro char was concerned, the spellweaver's bar was STILL blue. However, as soon as the necro threw a conflag pot at the spellweaver in reaper form, bar went gray and she got the message about attacking the other character. Same story for chicken form. Blue bars all around until the conflag pot was thrown at the character that was in a form. As soon as the spellweaver is back in human form and flags have worn off (i.e., necro and spellweaver are blue to each other), throwing pots at each other does nothing. Something else that is worth noting is that throughout all this experimenting, the bar for the spellweaver's horse stays blue to the necro mage.

    Now for something truly bizarre. I pull out the character with ninjitsu and shuttle her off to the house in Fel. She jumps off her horse and I use the necro to pull the bar of the ninjtsu char and her pet before any shape shifting occurs. Both bars are blue. Now I throw a greater explosion pot at the ninjitsu character and nothing happens. Fine and dandy.

    Weirdness ensues, however, when the ninjitsu character morphs into a serpent. Necro throws a greater explosion pot at her and does major damage because the ninjitsu character is only wearing a robe. Necro character sees the message about attacking the ninjitsu character--HOWEVER the ninjitsu character's bar and her pet's bar STAY BLUE for the necro mage. The bar of the necro character that the ninjitsu character pulled goes gray and she of course sees a message that she is being attacked.

    I tried that experiment a second time and finally did get the victim's bar to go gray for the attacker by going off screen and hiding the victim and then coming back and becoming visible. Repeating the experiment again after all bars were blue again did the same thing and the victim's bar once again didn't go gray for the attacker until the victim was hidden and reappeared. There seems to be a delay or bug in refreshing the client in that situation. The bar of the victim flagged to the aggressor is staying blue while the actual character of the victim becomes "brilliant blue" for lack of a better phrase, so flagging is happening....sort of. (All this was done in the legacy client.)
     
  26. Babble

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    There was a message stating that animal form is bugged I think.

    It seems animal form flags now 'grey' again. Just wait until they fix it.
     
  27. Viper09

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    Huh, odd. I run in animal form a lot and haven't been attacked while in it. At least not freely. But it's been a little while since I ran around in it.

    Perhaps a bug with animal form is what's up
     
  28. I get this problem too, with my account and my sons account, were both in the same faction and he plays stealther and i play a necro mage. He is getting hit from my withers, while none of us are flagged so in efect were both blue and still doing AOE dammage to him