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Armor Ignore (1h) vs Double Strike (2h)

Discussion in 'UO Warrior' started by Duncan Drake, Jul 13, 2013.

  1. Duncan Drake

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    Ok testing some things right now.

    I always wondered if AI is the nonplusultra regarding single target damage. I think its not: Right now I fight peerless and champs with a combination of broadswords and / or double axes (with CW).

    Sure AI ignores armor. But you only do 70 % damage. Double strike does one thing. it hits twice. And this does more damage to most enemies. There are few exceptions that have no weak points.

    So... using a double axe i have:
    - Increased Damage
    - Better Life and Mana leech
    - Increased Parry chance
    - Enemy goes down faster.

    Here are some pictures:

    Fighting Dreadhorn
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    Down in 7 minutes:
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  2. Duncan Drake

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    Here I went for Paroxysmus with a double axe. Even Putrefyers no real problem_:
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    Paroxy
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    Paroxy down
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  3. CorwinXX

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    Add here:
    - Ability to WW without switching weapon
    - 4% DI from JOAT for humans
     
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    Unless I missed a nerf, I thought AI was 90%
     
  5. CorwinXX

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    Yes, I have read this number (90%) as well. But it's definitely reduced before the multiplier cap calculation and since you usually have multiplier over 3 you do full 3x damage (there is no difference between 100% and 90% if you have super slayer + eoo or honor + eoo or super slayer + honor).
     
  6. Duncan Drake

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    Hmm yes 90% my mistake. Dunno how i came to 70
     
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    It's simple Math.....

    Double Strike if your Targeted Resist < 55% (because of the 90% of Base Dmg from AI)
    AI if your Targeted Resist > 55%

    The benefits of 2 hits (Faster perfection / More leech chances) can definitely make up for SOME loss of damage output, but how much just depends on your suit / char / situation etc..
     
  8. CorwinXX

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    The really math is slightly more complicated.
    If you have 84 chivalry you do DMG * 3 * 0.9 with EOO + SuperSlayer (where DMG is the damage in you stats window).
    If you have 95(?)+ chivalry you do full damage: DMG * 3 with EOO + SuperSlayer.

    You could think that Double Strike doubles your damage but really it is not. You can miss with the second hit. For example, if your Hit Chance is 50% (equal combat skill, you have 0 HCI/HLD and your target has DCI/HLA) and you don't miss with the first swing about 40%(?) of times you hit only once. But if you have 45 HCI and some HLD and your target haven't DCI/HLA Double Strike gives 95% to damage (Hit Chance for the second hit).

    So if a mob has 50% resist, your hit chance is high and you have 95+ chivalry (or honor+slayer+eoo):
    with AI you do DMG * 3
    with DS you do DMG * 2.925
    The difference even more if your hit chance is not very high or mob has 55% resist.


    P.S. (?) means that I'm too lazy to calculate exactly number.
     
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  9. Vexxed

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    Hmm.. Quick question...

    Publish 81.. Double Strike.

    Double Strike/Double Shot, now have a 15% hit chance increase on the second hit attempt

    Anyone know how it functioned before? I could read that statement 2 different ways..

    1) Assume your character has 45% HCI ... and that they are now adding 15% HCI on TOP of that for effectively 60% HCI on the 2nd hit.
    2) I guess Double Strike might not have had ANY HCI applied to the 2nd swing & now it's got 15% ??

    Which do you think it is?? or is there a 3rd option someone sees?
     
  10. Duncan Drake

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    Hmm i think it increases your hit chance. From my fighting peerless i can say that the 2nd blow hits very often.

    Yea this might be true but one thing to mention. Double strike i can usally spam very often while with ai i often am out of mana.
     
  11. CorwinXX

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    As I understand now you get additional 15 HCI bonus for the second hit. So if you hit chance is high enough (45 HCI + HLD in PvM) you may count you have 95% hit chance for the second hit (95% is cap for hit chance).
     
  12. CorwinXX

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    Non boss mobs usually have 10-30 in their lowest resist. So you do about 50% more damage with DS.
     
  13. Duncan Drake

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    Yea with ww anyway.
     
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    Are you using any weapons other than a double axe for your testing?
     
  15. Duncan Drake

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    So far i only compared d-axe with broadsword because they both have swingspeed 3,25.
     
  16. CorwinXX

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    If you want I can give you a Bladed Staff and a Daisho for tests. They have almost the same damage.
    13-16 Daisho
    13-17 Broad Sword
    14-17 Bladed Staff
     
  17. Duncan Drake

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    Well there wont be much differenc they swing at max speed. Double axe is just a bit stronger with 15-18