K, heres my long awaited rant: you trammies are basically ruining this game. This is all I see you people doing: 1. Farming 2. Complaining 3. accusing 4. paging 5. demanding 6. an overall unwillingness to learn anything from anyone they didn't meet in tram. 7. a general assumption that because someone is red, they are cheating. 8. because someone likes to pk, they are automatically a jerk irl. 9. the assumption that because someone plays well, they cheat as well. 10. that we are all terrible people who DO NOT pay our 12 a month to help keep YOUR game alive, who do NOT burn 300mil worth of hammers to provide equipment for new players, who do NOT give away every decent piece of armor to someone who needs it, who live with our moms, who get off on being mean to lesser players (you). Rather than accusing us of cheating/hacking (which, you cant hack this game client side, so wise up), why don't you try treating us without bias, and unwarranted accusation. This is TRULY the ONLY way you will ever learn to pvp properly, and thus enjoy the game in its entirety. It is TOTALLY arrogant of you to think otherwise. Give us some credit. We have worked hard at what we do. To think you're just going to come to fel, with your suit which is probably better than ours to begin with, and a finished template of your own design, you're going to be able to own us. It doesn't work like that. Yeah, you can solo Lady mel, but can you solo me? I doubt it. I really doubt it. It took me years to get my macros down, and even longer still to actually utilize them. I will gladly fight any one of you whiners WHILE running a video app, with taskbar in full view. The only thing you will see is UOassist, automap, and ' ______ gold has been deposited to your bank account', and sometimes, 'you have been reported for murder.' True, theres a few out there that do fit your description, but its a generalization, if not a form of UO racism. We're not all zit-faced stoners who live with mom and get off on being jerks to people. Most of the best pvp'ers I know do not cheat, they just know their macros, and they use them well. Furthermore, 4/5 of the best pvpers on PAC are some of the most generous and entertaining people I have ever met. I can remember trying to get help from trammies when i myself was one.. 'go away' and '#$@% off' were two of the most common replies. The trend i notice is that the hacker/speeder types are isolated groups who generally don't get along with other players. They usually exist in small packages, that usually self-destruct with time due to an over-abundance of ego within their ranks. Their usually in it for themselves, and thus, they usually end up BY themselves.. I have always said it is arrogant to think that ANY trammie can't learn to pvp. The same can be said in reverse. Its arrogant to think that you can just teach yourself without our help. Thats my two cents. Wanna learn? ask the proffesionals. You may find yourself pwning faces sooner than you imagined.. -welcome to cosco, i love you.