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Banned account question??

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Uriah Heep, Aug 1, 2014.

  1. Uriah Heep

    Uriah Heep Crazed Zealot
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    Curiosity has been killing me. (and no, I've not been banned!) But if they ban an account, does it ban all the accounts tied to that email?? Would seem to make sense, since they other accounts are most likely the same perpetrator...

    Anyone know?
     
  2. Longtooths

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    Throught the years I have heard of it happening both ways. Im sure severity of the nafarious act would play a role.
     
  3. James Moriarty

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    Depends on the crime. If its a dupers account I have heard of them going as far as banning people on their house friends list too. I have heard them banning a full guild for duping. But on lesser crimes its normally just the single account.

    Edit: On lesser crimes you can even open a new account with the same banking details.
     
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    I've known bots who have only had the account tied in with the crime banned. They were even at their house on a different account when it fell to regain as much of their belongings as they could. I'd have to agree that it's the severity of the offense which would determine how they handle it, but without going out and trying to get banned I suspect I'd never know.
     
  5. The Zog historian

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    Properly done it would include any accounts recently accessed by that IP, should someone be using a family member's billing details to minimize the effect of a ban. Yes, this would affect friends that lend accounts, but it's a strong incentive to refrain from actionable things, and to choose friends better.

    As you said, James, entire guilds and sometimes accessed friends get banned too. Duping and overt sexual harassment (e.g. MDK) used to be dealt with severely. The two people banned due to my paging (let me just say one founded the Sonoma guild that my handle sarcastically chronicles) rightfully earned theirs for a particular racial slur, and each bitterly complained afterward about losing his multiple accounts. It did not affect their guilds or friends, though, or one's father's accounts (same house and thus the same IP).
     
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  6. Uriah Heep

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    So I gather there is no firm policy in place then, it's up to the whims and which way the wind is blowing at the time.
    Got it.
     
  7. Lady Storm

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    Well................
    GM's made judgement on many situations at the point of time when the crime happened.
    They have set rules of conduct and how to deal with what ever comes up.
    Many went knowing they were guilty, some returned with new accounts, while others who felt they were innocent, challenged with journals and logs to the review board.
    Some things in UO are beyond speculations such as harrassment by verbal abuse, sexual inuendo, or uncontrolled language or deed to cause their accounts to be banned.
    No one system is perfect...
     
  8. 4gregu

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    I know back in '01 when my brother was banned for unattended macroing, they banned my dads account as well because they were both payed using the same credit card. But I would think the rules have undergone many changes since then.
     
  9. Smoot

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    accounts dont get banned anymore. maybe a 3 day but never permanent.
     
  10. kelmo

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    I do not agree with Smoot on this.
     
  11. Captn Norrington

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    It seems like the ban system "resets" every so often to, a few people noticed that their accounts that were banned 10+ years ago are now unbanned for some unexplained reason.
     
  12. CovenantX

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    /sarcasm?
     
  13. Viper09

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    Tell you what, go in game and violate as many ROCs as you can, repeating after your temp bans clear up, then come back here and report your findings, lol.
     
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    Yup, I've seen an entire guild get banned for duping - it happened years back on LS, HAX. Not everyone was involved in the duping, but they were banned just for being in the guild (the duping was pretty bad. Bunch of Doom Arties got duped, chests full of them: Orny, HoM, Inquisitors, etc)
     
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    They wiped out mmo.sc last august... accounts upon accounts that were banned... It really does depend what you are you doing... for most things no they aren't out to ban you and take a player away from the game.
     
  16. James Moriarty

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    Back in the early days you would have got a ban and a letter from their legal team for the avatar you have on here. There was a zero tolerance of their branding in the early days.
     
  17. THP

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    pretty sure there was once a memo stating that because they cant stop the acts....then we have to live with and tolerate the afk gold /item /loot farmers and the dupers amongst us...[shrugs]....maybe it was a dream...no idea....

    ....afk gold/item/loot farming deffo exsists and goes unpunished most of the time as gms dont seem to appear when people report them......AND pretty sure duping still goes on.....aka unique items coming on sale multiple times even on these boards

    .....and NO the dupe detector/vendor checker thing still dont work properly....just seems to flag up xsharded items more
     
  18. Captn Norrington

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    Yep your right THP, wasn't a dream. a few years ago one of the devs said if they devoted a ton of resources toward catching all the afk scripters and farmers they would only catch about 40% of them, most of who would end up coming back later on a new account anyways. So they just left it at the "police your own community" type of situation.
     
  19. azmodanb

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    which you can yet in trouble for leading ...

    hell you don't respond to me
    . i kill you
     
  20. Petra Fyde

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    Since their banning policy is not public knowledge all we have to go on is heresay and rumour.
    We do know that there have been whole guilds banned
    We do know that Draconi very publically set fire to houses of some banned accounts.
    We can suspect that a few people who post 'I quit' threads may not have quit voluntarily.
    I wish that their policy allowed them to say 'We banned x number of accounts that were doing y'. Without names of course.
     
  21. James Moriarty

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    I have known people to get banned one day and be right back in the game the next day with a brand new account. Within the space of 2-3 weeks AFK macroing they have all their skills back up on 3-4 characters and then they go straight back to work doing the same thing that got them banned in the first place. Banning an account solves nothing at this point in time unless they ban the account used by IP address
     
  22. Smoot

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    The last account i heard of being banned for duping, Mesanna let idocers keep all the duped stuff, mostly imbue reg deeds with millions of each item. So what was really even the point of banning? The guy can just come back on another account to continue duping if he / she chooses. Leaving the contents of a banned account in the game is more damaging than if the account wasnt banned at all.

    Sorry im still bitter on that one. Mesanna should have deleted the contents of that Castle.
     
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    I agree Smoot, I think her explanation was that all the duped stuff had been shard transferred so technically didn't count as duped anymore...but still there must have been something she could have done about it.
     
  24. Lady Storm

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    Not too far back in time I overheard a person of intrest who was in the middle of talking of his exploits in UO.
    They were very boastful of how he set up his accounts, safe from the GM's and Dev's fingers.
    I was courious, he seemed to want to be caught.
    No one in their right mind, talks as if the Dev cant find you routine.
    I kept reading his boast to this friend of his, who was marveling at how fast he had returned after being banned.
    He told him it was so easy.
    He had duped his whole suit so many times(number is not said at this point).
    He bought a cheap house to restart up and would be back up and running in a day or so.
    He also said quite brashly to the other who was marveling at his friends thinking ahead.
    How he didnt care about the Dev getting that last house full it was not the main stash anyhow.
    Now mind you my character is at the bank hidden.
    So this pair feel free to jabber, brit had been a ghost town for ages.
    So here is this guy telling how he kept his real main accounts seprate from his "business" account.
    Gold and items of real worth were never anywhere near the business account except the first dupe session and that was to make the master copys only.
    The dev got the dupes and business account and could never link his play accounts to his business account.
    I am sitting there thinking how the hadies coud he be doing all this.
    IP, CC, and all the name and addy stuff you have on your accounts and all that....
    Before I coudl get the thought out of my head to read more of his text... the friend asked what was on my mind as well as his!
    This person had a answer I was shocked to hear... and the Dev delighted to know too.
    (you see I had sent in a s.o.s. to the GM's and sent my logs...)
    All I know of the end was I never saw ether person again in game.
    I was moved to another town bank still hidden.
    I do know alot of house plots became open.

    Look the GMs we have are few... nothing like we had. EA has seen to that.
    It really is judging apples and oranges when you say Mesanna didnt or did something without knowing the full story.
    The guy above washed the gold, and items multi times before his "home " accounts got any of it.
    What might have seemed alot of duped items just might have been done just the same way.
    I dont know I was not at this IDOC.
    Nor do I have the whole story and cant judge it.
     
  25. Smoot

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    yeah i know that was the eplanation, and not a very good one. They really messed up. If the house on the banned account had been deleted it wouldnt have happened in the first place. Instead, it ruined the entire SA dungeon and one of the biggest / most valueable ways to make gold for a newer player.

    Thats not to even mention the sphinxes, which many an unsuspecting rares collector got ripped off on.

    Point is, we dont have the GMs or the resources that the game used too. It takes very very long time, and a very serious offense to even be at risk of a ban in the first place. We all remember the mythic token exploit. it took them 3 months to realize it was even happening.

    Legit accounts used to be banned for simply having too many val hammers. Now "recieving stolen property" is no longer a crime. So like others have said, its really up to the person doing the banning.

    P.S. Although the imbue resourch thing was messed up and bad for the game, ill admit i love never ever having to hunt in SA again because the resources are so cheap now.
     
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