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Bards for PVP!

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Coragin, Feb 18, 2010.

  1. Coragin

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    After seeing the above post on discord, it got me thinking.

    Discord works on human npcs.

    Peacemaking works on human npcs.

    Please have these skills work in pvp and give a bard a reason to pvp.

    The only reason current pvpers would not want this is it would cause them to have to work harder and it will give bards a chance to play in pvp.

    Have resisting spells be able to block discord/peace or lessen the effect. That would make resisting spells a bit more viable for pvp too.

    BARDS FOR PVP!!
     
  2. Smokin

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    Wow, heh sorry but I think you need to go to bed then come back and read some of your ideas today. Usually you think better then this.
     
  3. A Rev

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    Come on it would be funny...Not to the full intensity of PvM

    But imagine taking a person from 120 to 108 (10%) with the chance that resist spells can lessen the timer it stays in affect. It could work like curse, with a timer but not able to be rid by an apple...remove curse/cleansing wind would work apples wouldn't.
     
  4. jfkeach

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    Seriously, do you PvP? Anyone that PvP's without Resist is going to get poisoned/paralyzed by mage with 120 Eval and Magery, so most already have it.

    This would be used to SKILL training to get one of your buddies to discord you then you fight or cast spells.

    I am not against your idea, I have a 120 Disco Bard and I use her to train pets. Just be sure that what you are asking for will be used for a different reason not for the one intended.
     
  5. Cetric

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    Does this guy actually play uo?
     
  6. A Rev

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    Which one??

    The one who thinks all templates or even most people run with resist??
    Same person who thinks that both the things he mentioned [poison/para] arent being broken with simple easily available consumables called pots and a trap box??
     
  7. Kaleb

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    In group PvP they do have a great role in todays PvP, Just that very few players run one. With all the tamers in PvP, I am almost shocked that there is not at least 1 bard in a group during spawns, and field battles.
     
  8. Coragin

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    I detest to be forced to carry certain things. I do carry a trapped box, it goes off instantly when I am para'd no big deal there.

    I detest carrying regs and pots, why most of my weapons have HSL and I use Confidence/Chiv ect to heal. Which leaves me only having to carry cures or petals.

    Since I am usually running a Sampire and have thus adapted to pvp in such regards, I am usually out of vamp/wraith form when pvp hits. If spawn is around and heavy its near impossible to kill me one on one. Granted para mages are gimp to me as if you para me I will continue to charge you, it is annoying to have them run on and off screen using last target hotkey. So leads back to my long ago idea that if you run off screen, last target should be wiped since your last target is no longer in the area.

    But on the the original topic. Bards as it sits have no place in pvp at all, a pure bard that is. And this is a damn shame.

    Discord: Like someone suggested, 10% reduction. Remove curse wont work and will stay active while you are on the same screen. 11 seconds to be off screen. Invis will not work if you are still on screen.

    Peacemaking: Work just like the dryads, unable to cast or fight for a period of time.

    Provoke: Provoke a monster on a player or even a pet. Or provoke a player on another player thus AI taking over. But have this be time based and not based on one of the two combatants being alive.

    Yes this is a good idea to make the bard template viable in pvp. And no I didnt even think about discoing a friends to train more. But I see mentality of most UO'ers is how they can exploit something to work as not intended. So have dico on a player work like stat does. You cant go into stat and train skills, have it the same, problem solved.

    Anyway you look at it, bards are gimp in pvp and they need to be able to use their skills. It makes no sense why their skills effect a human npc and not a human pc from a logical standpoint. The other thing I can think of is the d00dz whining about a change they have to adapt to. But if you have a true bard, with all the skills...

    120 music
    120 discord
    120 provoke
    120 peace

    That only leaves 200 leftover for any other skills, which most would require 2-3 skills to be complete.

    Could go Magery+Med but no dmg from most spells
    Could go Magery+eval but no med for recover mana
    Could go necro+ss but need to be wraith form to get mana back, thus no mount

    Weapon+tactics but no way to heal

    A full out bard would be the suck without skills to compliment and keep them alive. Although one can argue that most bards would only use music and disco or peace or two of the three skills, that is fine by me. Imagine provoking that Gdragon onto the tamer. Peacing that dismount archer or mage, making them useless for 5-10 seconds. It would add a whole new way to pvp...and i nthe process give bards a way to actually compete, I hate that they cant do anything in battle.
     
  9. I think he's made it a personal goal to try and catch up to popps.
     
  10. Yen Sid

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    Bards would just be the newest way to Zerg Gank. Send in a few bards for disco/peace and provo any GDragons back onto tamers, send in the rest of your Zerg friends to spam armor ignore and moving shot and disarm and dismount and mortal and whatever else you can throw in there. Doesn't sound good to me.

    *This is not directed toward anyone or their tactics, just an observation and my thoughts on what would happen.
     
  11. I have a necro peacer I use for spawns, her suit is ok pvp wise, but I have to say peacing my way out of a raid or zerged pvp situaion is almost impossible lol.
    It's only worked once on Chessy and I think it's just cause the "PvP' guild was horrible lol Peacing 10 running shot archers allowed me the time to run and heal, I lived a couple of times, but they learned and got me the 3rd time and kept targetting me after that.
    Peacing is effective if they have a lot of pets and same with discord, but if they outnumber you 2v1, then it doesnt matter anyway.
     
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    Being able to discord a player will probably never happen just because people would use it for skill training like they use the sayters. Except now they could do it in their houses in fel. I would be nice if your musice/provo was higher than the tamers taming/lore then you have a chance of provoing it back on the tamer. Should be able to have a chance of direct peacing someone as well, and maybe the results would be them going out of war mode and slower movement for a 2-5 seconds (sort of like the sleep spell).
     
  13. Splup

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    I PvP:d with a bard waaay back in the days when Firehorn did some serious damage in PvP.
     
  14. Tinsil

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    No this would help the guilds who win only by numbers even more.. It's bad enough they have dragons, not discord too.
     
  15. Llewen

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    I'd like to see bard skills work in pvp, as was posted, maybe the actual effect levels would need to be tweaked. But if this were to happen at least discord would have to be made an aggressive act that flags the bard in the same way any curse does.
     
  16. Lynk

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    :lol:
     
  17. I would love to see some type of pvp for bard be implemented, it would open up a ton of new templates that would be really interesting. It wouldn't have to work the exact way that bard skills work in PvM, but it would be nice to see another layer added to uo's pvp "system"

    :)
     
  18. jtw1984

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    This would greatly interrupt mages who carry a mage weapon. If you dropped from 120 magery to 108 you would get hit alot.
     
  19. G.v.P

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    :p not sure about bards for pvp but can the Devs please make it so peacekeeping does NOT WORK ON OTHER PEOPLE AND THEIR PETS?!!!! lol some ass is always area peacing. I mean, maybe that's cool in Fel though ... but in Tram it is so lame.
     
  20. Maximus Neximus

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    Doing it quick too
     
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    discoing people in stat loss would be hilarious.
    and should never happen. maybe for just a day.
     
  22. Merion

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    How on earth do you do that without resorting to illegal 3rd party programs?
     
  23. have to be quick with the macro? *shrugs* not that hard to do if you know its coming
     
  24. Merion

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    Of course, but he made it sound like he doesn't have to do anything, but that it goes of instantly - which I translate with automatically and I know of no way to do that with either client.
     
  25. Poo

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    Lord Hunter (Sonoma Forum Mod) has a red bard.

    but that was from back in the day.
    waaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyy back.

    i do enjoy ticking off pvp tamers if that counts.
    sit at the gate and disco all the pets that are there.

    thats allways fun.

    I dont think i would know what to do with myself if my bard skills worked in pvp.

    i do recall we use to have one bard skill that was kinda usefull in pvp, that was the skill disco before it became disco.
    Enticment.
     
  26. GarthGrey

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    "It goes off instantly" and "I hit my macro key instantly", are 2 entirely different statements...and only the former was quoted ..
     
  27. Lythos-

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    Disco would be bad in pvp.

    Imagine a disco running shot archer mowing you down because your mage or healing was below par for fighting. It would be like fighting in stat all the time.

    So i say no.

    Direct peacing might be viable and they could actually do that to work like sleep. Area peace already works and is annoying if you're playing a dexxer.
     
  28. Coragin

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    Actually, I worded it that way on purpose to see how many people if any would pick apart the wording of my post. And thus, it has happened.
     
  29. GarthGrey

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    Of course you did..and your wife is ummm, Morgan Fairchild...Yeah...that's it...
     
  30. I'm not into just accusing someone of doing something, unless I know for fact they use it. =/ and I can instantly get out of a para as well, its called a trap box macro and paying attention to whos casting what.
     
  31. jtw1984

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    If I get poisoned I drink a cure pot instantly.

    I got your back Coragin. haha
     
  32. GarthGrey

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    But you didn't say "I'm instantly cured" :p
     
  33. jtw1984

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    Ah, you know how it goes Garth. lol

    I speedhack. Well, what i mean is I use the Enhanced Client. Which has a built in speed hack.

    Just saying.

    :)
     
  34. Coragin

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    Believe me, dont believe me, it dont matter to me either way. Its not like it will make me lose sleep.