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Besital Suits (PVP)

Discussion in 'UHall' started by virem, Dec 4, 2011.

  1. virem

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    I would like to know if anyone thinks that bestial suits are good for this game. As far as I can tell, in the 14 years of playing; they are the worst addition I have ever seen. They let complete newbies survive in PVP for much longer than they should. They encourage running. They discourage team play and heals. Someone please explain to me why a suit like this should be relevant in pvp today.
     
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    The worst thing for PVP is all the third party program hacking. As long as a game allows people to use illegal programs through its design pvp is worthless anyhow.
     
  3. Cetric

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    oh enough...

    Virem is right... the bestial suit is a joke
     
  4. Mervyn

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    I express nonchalance on this issue, they're good for certain templates, but i wouldn't say they're OP, otherwise i'd use it.
     
  5. CovenantX

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    I don't consider it OP either, because it acts as if the person has more like 200hp (with damage absorb instead of more HP,) this effect doesn't kick in untill the person is at 40% or lower hp, meawhile at 40% hp and lower, the targets stamina regen is lower, so macing weapons and possibly Hit Fatigue? if it will ever work properly... would be more useful, of course refresh pots still come in so stamina won't always be an issue. but you run them out, and they won't beable to run and then it should be easy to kill em.

    they cannot heal for much at all (it basicly reduces healing to berserking target by 90-95% it seems.)

    with that said, this siut is really amazing for stealthers, but imo anyone without a way to instantly get away, it's not very effective.
     
  6. Cloak&Dagger

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    Just thought I would say this point is not exactly a bad one. Really if they are so terrible you would make this comment here then the suit doesn't help them much in beating you, only in staying alive longer to help them learn a little more.
     
  7. virem

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    You know how I learned? Getting killed a thousand times in 1998. Not running around invulnerable in a useless suit. It is bad for the game.
     
  8. Cloak&Dagger

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    Hardly invulnerable, kill people in it all day long. If its useless then you should not have a complaint. As for if its bad for the game or not, *Shrugs* I am of no opinion on the matter. It barely, if at all, has an affect on my game play.

    Also can't really compare 1998 game play to today's game play, it is no where near the same.
     
  9. RL'S pker

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    It's not so much the suit, but the templates that rock the suit.

    IMO it's the stealthers rocking the suit that ruins pvp. They get low, smoke bomb, stealth away and never die.

    At least if someone is a stand up rocking the suit you can still kill them.

    They should make it if you have hiding on your template the beastial effect doesn't work. That's my opinion at least.
     
  10. CovenantX

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    This is the only issue i see that could be a little rough, but imo its not the siut that causes this problem, its the smoke bombs.
     
  11. red sky

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    Yup, dread mares let complete newbies survive much longer than they should too.

    P.S. Virem is a dread mare mystic mage.
     
  12. SixUnder

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    :thumbsup::thumbsup:
     
  13. SixUnder

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    why do you not share how people are "hacking" the game? the capped server side speed so you can't move faster than the server. Period. If people are jumping around on your screen, buy a new system get modern.

    on the other hand are people doing things to manipulate their clients sure, but you do not hear them on here, or anywhere posting anything because they can not post screen shots.

    the whole cheating thing is getting old.


    P.S. If you can't kill someone in a beastial suit, who cares. They are not gonna kill you. If you play the game with it's mechanics no ninja deathstrike/dp should be able to do anything to you. Worst case scenario is they run off and hide. Woop di do. Kill them when they return.

    Those suits are Yew gate fighting suits, other than that total junk as we speak. You can heal yourself or be x-healed might as well put a big X on your forehead outside of a stupid gate fight.
     
  14. Cetric

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    The problem with the suit is the style of gameplay it promotes. Typically you have to try to do enough damage to kill someone before they can run away. The suit makes it so that is impossible. A newbie in the suit is still not very good, but anyone who knows how to use it will never die unless they get in a real bind with several people on them
     
  15. red sky

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    Solution: Bring back WOD archers with no cap on AI. :banana:
     
  16. virem

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    I don’t understand how mystic can allow something like this in PVP....

    Ideas for NERF.

    1) Only let players walk in highest tier of rage
    2) Reduce timer that person stays in rage
    3) Let rage be purgable
    4) remove bestial suits from the game
    5) retroactively un-imbue all bestial suits and make them unimbueable
    6) remove bestial suits from the game
    7) make it so the suit doesn’t give you infinite stamina redlined
    8) do not allow a player a stealth in rage
    9) do not allow a player to get into felucia with a bestial suit
    10) remove bestial suits from the game!
     
  17. SixUnder

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    I hate to agree with virem.

    he makes a simple fix to the people abusing the suit.

    very easily.

    make it so if in rage, you cant hide or animal form.

    that fixes it all.
     
  18. virem

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    I would like the nerf to be more extreme than that... Not being able to run in rage would make me more happy.
     
  19. Sprago

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    ya forgot the one about, 11) nerfing the tamer mysic template {these templates are OP imo}
     
  20. pgib

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    One hour and fourty minutes to kill a crazed mage and you want to nerf me even more? For god's sake, show some mercy!
     
  21. Mook Chessy

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    I am lmao

    This guy plays two templates I am aware of

    Msyt Mage Tamer and all he does is bola...splell plague, dump and say all kill...he uses a pet in pvp and then complains the he cant kill people because of their suit..sorry your no longer getting you insta kills. To come here and ask for a nerf is too funny...whaaaaa

    His other toon is actually a stealther, dser...so wow he doesnt use a beastie suit, his first move in combat is disarm...his whole template is based on disarm and if you disarm him poof he pops smoke everytime.

    The reason for the beastie suit is becuse of the massive amout of damage a mage can do atm, it leveled the playing field. You want to kill a guy wearing a beastie suit,

    DROP TAMING AND GET TRACKING/REVEAL INSTEAD!!!

    Otherwise stfu you cry baby!
     
  22. Goldberg-Chessy

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    Wtf are you talking about? Trying to justify your issues with a suit by saying it discourages team play? That is pathetic & insulting.
    I hate to keep bringing this up but all you do is play a sleep/bola tamer. You think that character is fair 1 vs 1? Give me a break. Where is your team play and heals there?

    If you cant kill a "complete newbie" in ANY suit on your tamer you need to just quit son. Seriously.

    Based upon your other post crying about Splinter it is quite obvious that you have no idea what true pvp balance is or should be. You simply want everything other then your template nerfed. Kinda sad :(
    And the worst part is that you constantly come here petitioning & begging the Devs instead of just adaptng and playing like the rest of us.
     
  23. Wizal the Fox

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    You can't heal in rage, if you can't run either then the bestial suit would be completely unusable at all. I know that's what you want but this ain't going to happen that easily.

    Besides, as many people say, the ridiculous Dread Horses are far more OP in PvP and should be taken care of first. The very minimum would be to make them unmountable for a few seconds after they have taken damage, or to force walk speed on the tamer if he mounts a redlined pet.

    Shame is NOT a tamer friendly dungeon, and I see no problem with the fact that tamers aren't the best template for just EVERYTHING in the game. If you want to kill Crazed Mages faster just use an archer.
     
  24. pgib

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    What about just reducing the damage that the pet can do when the target of his damage is a player? You know, balances pvp (if that's the issue, i don't pvp) and, most important, doesn't screw up pvm! In principle, admittedly noone uses dread warhorses in pvm - save for a guy i met a couple of days ago... poor horse, was more gray than black...

    For the "use an archer" part, it's not totally wrong but if i were to play an archer i would play another game. Unfortunately UO is the only game i know (and i tried many) that has what's left of a proper tamer. So be nice, think of us when you ask for nerfs: just pvp.
     
  25. virem

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    The issue isnt pets in pvp... It is me posting about anything because I kill so many people.. Most of these people flaming me are in fact complete pvp failures and have no idea what is good or bad for the game.

    Couple things about me:

    I play a mystic tamer very very well, I hardly play the character anymore as no one fights me these days.
    I play a deathstriker and have never lead with disarm to a mounted target and have never worn a bestial suit.
    I play different types of pure mages... better than every person who has flamed on this post

    Thanks.
     
  26. virem

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    Oh and... if someone was to make a post about nerfing dread mares in pvp I would gladly explain why they arent overpowered... and why tamers are actually one of the harder template to play...
     
  27. virem

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    You guys dont think that something is overpowered when 1/3rd of the people in the pvp community make a DP deathstriker in a bestial suit a WEEK after they are added to the game?
     
  28. Mirt

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    You mean like every temp suddenly becoming a mystic or suddenly having nox? I see it as something that you have to deal with and adapt to. Things change and you have to adjust over time its the UO way. Its also what means that nothing is forever in pvp.
     
  29. Goldberg-Chessy

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    Huh?

    2/3 of the pvp community play a Mystic. Whats your point?
    And Mystic is offensively overpowered ofc so it kills people. A Bestial suit is defensive and not killing anyone the way you have been describing it yet you are still all worked up over it lol.

    In your own words you play a Mystic tamer. Hrmmm...

    2/3 of the shard switched to Mystic & a decent Dread horse is so overpowered and desirable that it sells for upwards of 100 million. You combined the 2 for your template and you are complaining about the Bestial suit? Are you kidding me?
     
  30. puni666

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    Honestly a skilled player will be more effective in a well modded out non bestial suit in the long run. Unless you're on some cowboy ninja/bushido/I have no way of healing template. But then those characters are honestly a hindrance to a group because they can't x heal/resurrect/cure or do anything beneficial for a group besides massive damage out put, but really in a group.. massive damage from one character is easily negated with teammates x heals.
     
  31. Orgional Farimir

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    There fixed it for you.
     
  32. Mystics aren't overpowered... lolol and neither are dreads. Bestial suits are basically a second chance for noobs to run away. I agree. Keep 'em for tram. Fel usage is just stupid.
     
  33. puni666

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    Must be poor pvp on Legends..
     
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    Any item that basically makes someone almost invulnerable should not be allowed in Fel.

    Or there should be a cool down timer on them.

    As some people posted its more the templates using them. And yes Goldy if a person with one on doesn't run, you can eventually kill them. but the issue is they always run so you can almost never kill them. i've seen people live in a 1 v 5 with the armor. Keep in mind I said live, not kill anyone.

    As for Dreads (spellcasting pets in general) there is absolutely one thing that should be nerfed about them. that is their ability to hit with spells well beyond line of sight, 3 screens away.
     
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    I agree with you about the pets spellcasting.. but don't forget the breath weapon also. Hmm... is this the same virem that plays the mystic Tamer on TC ?? LoL.... I take him & a buddy on with Sa-Vok & when I've slaughtered his pets he bails heh...
     
  36. virem

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    I have never played on test center. Someone made a character that looks like me on atlantic and could of transfered it though.
     
  37. TBH

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    Nerf built in, duh

    Before you start crying nerf take a minute and realize these suits are not permanent, they only have 125 durability. True some players will spend a ton of time and resources to ensure they have several of them imbued and ready to go but they will eventually disappear.

    So instead of coming to forums and whining about it, you should probably spend more time wearing down their durability so you can have your happy little world back, virus I mean vermin, I mean virem...
     
  38. virem

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    Re: Nerf built in, duh

    LOLOL, Not permanent? I have had the same LT sash for a year. To think that there aren't enough suits in the game for the players to get a replacement IF they lose their first suit is seriously naive. Bestial suits will far outlive this game.
     
  39. puni666

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    Re: Nerf built in, duh

    The turn in system to claim these armor suits hasn't been turned off, and they have no plans of ever turning it off since they're releasing new rewards for it every month... That is pretty much permanent.
     
  40. chad

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    Bestial suits do require a tweak. I think an effect like the one they give isn't that big of a deal, but it should certainly be on a cooldown. IMO...

    You enter the state of rage the same way you do now. The state of rage lasts a maximum of 10 seconds, regardless if you take damage or not. After it wears off, it takes something like 90 seconds before you can re-enter the enraged state.
     
  41. Mervyn

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    I don't have a problem with them, in my vast experience, the negatives outway the positives. I've no problem with opposition using them on any template really.

    "The wearer of the suit dies slowly but more surely"
     
  42. virem

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    I am good with that... if you make it so they can't form or stealth in rage.
     
  43. Goldberg-Chessy

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    Just re-read the entire thread and no offense Virem but you just dont make any valid points as to exactly how the Bestial suit is bad for pvp(or bad for anything else in general for that matter)

    The only thing at all that you say to back up your hatred of the suit is: - "They let complete newbies survive in PVP for much longer than they should"

    Wtf is that? Besides offensively superior sounding ofc.

    I know for a fact that the bulk of your Atlantic playing time is spent ganking at the gate on your mystic/tamer with a dread.

    So you have issue because some poor slob getting ganked by you, your dread, and your 2 buddies is living a little longer? Thats quite pathetic. You can no longer get insta-kills while ganking so you are raging?

    Or is it something else? I mean your posts in this thread have shown your complete hatred and lack of tolerance for these defensive suits. Are you by chance dying to people in these suits? Is that it?
    Dont understand how but who knows...

    Just saying...

    Bottom line is that whatever you want to say about Bestial suits IMO you cannot deny the fact that one positive is that they help lone players survive ganks. And that is always a good thing.
    But I realize that you cannot understand the concept of someone attempting to pvp solo and/or 1 vs 1 other players. As evidenced by your sad attempt at nerfing Bestial suits by saying this: "They discourage team play and heals" Are you kidding me?
    What you actually meant was that they discourage ganking(which is what you prefer to do)
     
  44. virem

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    You are a player vs. player idiot.

    You just quoted two of the best fighters in the game and said we don't know what we are talking about.

    Any player that argues FOR bestial suits being good for pvp is just a bad player.
     
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    LoL, how many times now in this thread alone have you personally stated how great you are?

    You have done nothing in this thread except say that Bestial suits are bad for pvp because you are great and dont like them.
    No valid points or facts. Just your personal distaste because in your own words you now have problems finishing off newbies. Thats kinda ironic no?

    You say you are one of the "best fighters in the game" yet you also say that you cant kill a newbie in a Bestial suit. Whats up with that?
    No other way to interpret your words son. You obviously wouldnt care at all about the suits if you were able to kill newbies in them.

    As I said earlier; IMO any with any issues at all killing a "complete newbie"(your own words) maybe shouldnt be pvping or calling himself one of the "best fighters in the game"

    How about next time you learn how to kill a complete newbie before you come here begging the Devs to help you?

    Just saying...
     
  46. Zero Day

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    Bestial suits make players harder to kill but doesn't make them any better at killing. If anything its made bad players a bit more annoying but not any more threatening.
     
  47. Cetric

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    People die pretty easy in berserker suits unless they are ninja stealth dexers


    that temp is made to attack and run away, and the berserker suit just preserves them. Chad has the best suggestion IMO.
     
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    Pretty much what I've been thinking all along. Think people are just upset that they need to put a bit more work into killing off anyone who thinks they're better off with one of those horrible suits.
     
  49. virem

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    Hello!

    Bestial suit stealthers are still running rampant! Please fix this!

    That is all.
     
  50. CovenantX

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    I like Virem's Idea of making it so you cannot hide,stealth, smokebomb or use animal form <- my favorite, while in berserker rage.

    At the same time, Pets in pvp are OP...

    Maybe they should bring the faction feature from siege (If it still exists?)-(Invoke evil/good powers) 2 mins? of monster/pet ignore (like honor) consumes life force points. (which you get from killing enemy faction monsters).

    There's other things you could get from invoking good/evil powers too though.

    Edit: The monster ignore lasts for 1 hour.... might be toooo much of a nerf to tamers maybe? =p