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Best multi purpose archer template?

Discussion in 'UO Siege Perilous' started by kelmo, Apr 29, 2010.

  1. kelmo

    kelmo Old and in the way
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    It has been pointed many times that I am not taking advantage of all UO has to offer in skills and techniques.

    How would you put together an all around archer for PvP/PvM? Soul stones should not be an issue. Slealth is not a desirable skill for this character. Please include discussions of equipment as well.

    Thanks for any help, and flames...
     
  2. Chardonnay

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    No such thing because a PvM template would be for PvM and a PvP template would be for PvP...and then theres the gear you wear to...PvM gear is for PvM and PvP gear is for PvP...

    Now you could make a Chiv/Archer BUT the gear would be for PvM or PvP not both...
     
  3. Vortex

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    Bushido archer or Necro archer.

    Either can be used for pvp or pvm. It's all how you suit them out.
     
  4. Speedy Orkit

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    For a multi purpose archer, this is all you need:

    120 Archery
    110 Tactics
    110 Bushido
    100 Magic resist
    80 healing
    80 anatomy
    70 chiv
    50 med

    To suit for PvM, play it as an ABC archer, you will use a bow that looks something like:

    HLD
    SSI
    DI
    ML
    SL

    For PvP non faction which I am guessing you're wanting something more like:
    Balance
    SSI
    DI
    HCI
    Fireball

    One of the most OP templates in the game, but no one knows how to do it proper ;(
     
  5. Scuzzlebutt

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    Necro Bushi Chiv Archer.
    120 Archery
    120 Bushido
    120 Spirit
    110 Necro
    90 Tactics
    70 Chiv
    90 Med - with as much MR and mana/int increase as you can get your hands on cause you will chew some mana
     
  6. Black magick

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    120 archery
    95 healing
    81 anatomy
    120 bushido
    99 tactics (the extra 9 can be put anywhere else, just not med)
    90 meditation
    75 chivalry
    40 spellweaving (spawns) / necromancy (particular targets)
    Gear you'd need resists, dex(to at least 150)/stam inc, some mr and lmc, and of course hci with some dci. Perfection gives 1000 luck so no real need to change gear, except your bow, for pvm.
    For pvm, I'd suggest hld, ssi, di, ml, and either fc1 or slayer
    For pvp, hla, ssi, magic arrow or fireball, di, and either fc1 or hci
    *edit* oh yea, 4/6 too
     
  7. Vortex

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    I've played that for pvm. It was really nice. Only downside was the necro killed your karma which effected your chivalry. But deadly combo for spawning!
     
  8. Speedy Orkit

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    If you're going that route... just go sampire. I can solo spider/coon spawns with mine.
     
  9. Freelsy

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    The only necro spells you'll cast are vampiric embrace and corpse skin...You wont lose that much karma...
     
  10. Vortex

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    I used Wither a lot at spawns.
     
  11. Bo Bo

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    nice pvm temps, he is lookin for something for pvp also. Sure your temps are good but whats he gonna do when he is dismounted?
     
  12. Bo Bo

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    Bo Bo's super temp, isnt cheap to run you need lots of good gear. But you can pwn face with it. Still working out the kinks with it too. Bo isnt 100% if this is gonna be the finished temp or not. So far works great for both pvp and pvm

    100 archery 20 headress
    120 myst
    120 focus
    120 tactics
    120 bushido
    80 ninja
    60 chiv

    2/6 or higher casting, balanced hit velocity weapon with as much ssi as possible, primer, heart, stormgrips, feys, orni. constantly cast enchant, stone form for pvm, eoo, honor, and rising colussas for pvm.

    Bo currently doest have this temp finished, still working the skills, and during pvp if you forget to cast enchant you are screwed if you cast a myst spell, because you lose your weapon, than your oppenent hits you non stop making them think they are good. When infact you just unequipped your weapon like a doofus.
     
  13. Sunchicken

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    THIS....
     
  14. Speedy Orkit

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    It could always be run more smoother if you used faction arties, but those are base suits. As a full geared out goon I would run like

    100 Archery(+Head dress)
    110Tactics
    110 Bushido
    120 Magic resist
    80 healing
    80 anatomy
    70 chiv
    50 med

    Jewels with:
    30HCI 50DI 20 heal 20 anat and the rest in LMC/DCI. DCI is a moot point though, isn't totally necessary. The ABC archer is insanely fun to play and can take down everything from Stygian Dragons to Medusa. And in PvP with the right bow you can moving shot people for 35+ if both hit spells go off. 0.0

    I'd recommend for your suit:
    Headdress
    Jewels above
    RBC
    8 Stam Gloves, sleeves, gorget, with 150 dex. I'm pretty sure you can get a comp bow down to 1.5s with this.
     
  15. nightstalker22

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    Switch to heavy Xbow and dismount them too.
     
  16. Chardonnay

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    Ever tried to fight a dreadhorse and archer on foot?

    FAIL...

    Without ninja in his template he'll be dismounted and ganked not unless he only PvP's with others...

    But honestly if you run with others it don't matter what your template is...
     
  17. nightstalker22

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    Run protection and invis. Remount while invised and continue on.

    Besides, the question was for PvP, not tamers who yell "all kill"! :D

    I consider PvP to be an equal number of players on each side, if its not relatively equal, it is a gank, not PvP.
     
  18. Chardonnay

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    Guess you've never ran into someone who carries conflag pots huh? Not to mention how is he gonna invis? Drink a pot? LOL

    We are talking about SP PvP not made up fairy tale pretending...

    9 out of 10 times you run into tamers or ganks on SP...
     
  19. nightstalker22

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    I just assumed UO Assist would handle all that pot drinking for you, since it basically plays the game for you and all! :stretcher:

    Respectable PvP and SP PvP are not the same I know, but thats why everyone uses the crutches!:gun:
     
  20. OldAsTheHills

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    Without using Hiding and Stealth skills, I would use Archery 120, Tactics 120,
    Magery 120, Evaluate Intelligence 120, Poisoning 80.0+, Ninjitsu 90.0+, and
    Chivalry <any remaining skill points>.
    Use Magical Shortbow with Spellchannelling, np, Lightning hit.
    Use Poison and Poison field spells along with other other useful spells.
    Armour must be have mana regenerating with stat bonuses in Intellegence,
    Dexterity, and lastly Strength. Resists should be in the 40 to 60 range.

    Of course, this fails to all Stealth based attackers.

    Really, you can not ignore the hiding opponents on Siege Perilous.

    Are you planning to talk the developers to remove Hiding from the game?

    *stares*
    Yahaxithonix
     
  21. Black magick

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    Fail of a template. Magery/eval without any kind of mana regen skill? The only use for your set up is low end monsters.
     
  22. kelmo

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    I do have up to 11 soul stones I can use to swap skills on this particular character. Would you have two different levels of Chiv, etc...

    I suppose I was not clear with the question. If you had this many stones what skills would you have available? Heck, I might even have enough to add hide and stealth in the mix. *chuckles*
     
  23. nightstalker22

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    It depends if you use UOA or not.

    If using UOA, you can use trapped boxes and potions with the press of a button, so your template will change.

    I run my archer with:

    120 Archery
    120 Chivalry
    120 Bushido
    120 Meditation
    120 Tactics
    120 Magery (PvM) or 120 Resist (PvP)

    Magery for utility spells and EV's or Daemon, poison fields, etc... Easily solos Bone Daemon in Doom for Golden Skull. Healing by Cleanse by Fire and Close Wounds. Resist for PvP to negate poisons and paralyze ( no trapped boxes ). I'm sure with UOA my template would change, but whole people don't need crutches. :D

    If I had UOA for pots and trapped boxes I'd run:

    120 Archery
    120 Chivalry
    120 Bushido
    120 Meditation
    120 Tactics
    120 Ninjitsu

    Animal forms, Mirror Images, and the ability to throw DP stars, is all you'll get out of Ninjitsu on an archer template without Hiding and Stealth.
     
  24. OldAsTheHills

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    Failure to understand that I use 12 mana regeneration with bonus mana on
    my armour. The bonus in Stats adds to the Mana supply...
    I can do two EVs and still have Ebolt if needed.
    If I have a problem in the game, it is timing of actions... I use some macros.
    I use few FCR or FC items. I not aware of Factions items, they just not in the
    equation for me.
    Mediatation skill I stoned a long time ago...It was never a real help in active
    stituations. It is better to move, or hide and wait...
    Kelmo smarter than us both... will adjust to his own game.

    *stares*
    Yahaxithonix
     
  25. Freelsy

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    Wow....two EV's and an ebolt?? Whew, I think that can take out a Lady mel. The template you suggested would be destroyed. It has no defensive, nor offensive capabilities... Non of the skills compliment one another.
     
  26. Black magick

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    Lets consider for a second that pvpers use MORE than 12 mr and add 70+ med on top of it and can still run out of mana with 125 minimum. Also while pvming I use 14 mr and 120 med and also run out of mana. So again failure. Kelmo wants an archer that can do both pvp and pvm, yours can do neither at a decent level. As Freelsy already said, EVs and Ebolt ain't gonna do jack against anything high level, can that even kill a demon? After that, the rest of the post is just pointless. Everyone has given good templates so far that are meant to take on anything, you come in and give "advice" with a template that is terrible.
    Btw, I grant that Kelmo knows much more about this game than you do, whether he knows more than me is unknown. So please, for the sake of everyone, refrain from giving people template advice. Its "templates" like yours that make pvmers cry about how OPed faction arties are.
     
  27. OldAsTheHills

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    I do as I please on this shard and on this forum...I will keep typing here.
    I do kill renowned Fire Daemons solo...among other high level monsters in the
    Abyss... Lady Mel is not my cup of tea. I leave that place to the Faction ppl
    with Greater Dragons in tow.

    Frankly, I think Kelmo is better off looking for two templates...one for PvM and
    another for PvP...and just switch back and forth...

    *stares*
    Yahaxithonix
     
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    dude you forgot to tlist the most importent part of your template....have kage on screen...

    lol...just a joke!

    woot!
     
  29. kelmo

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    I believe I will stone the GM Chiv, and work Bushido and Chiv to 60 to have two levels of Chiv to work with. That will keep me busy for a while.

    I have a fairly decent heavy, it does not deal damage quickly enough. Even with the 50% lightening. What are considered some of the best bows/specials for PvP? I know it really does not matter (much) for PvM.
     
  30. Black magick

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    crossbow or composite bow if you are running solo, regular bows are very good if you have others around you.
     
  31. Vaelix

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    Double Hit Spell (Velo / Spell) On a Yumi for Double Shot (Requires Bush or Ninja) With Chiv (Concencrate Weapon) Is Highly Deadly in the right hands.

    However you will need a secondary bow to run along with it, because people will run the instant you Double Shot em, Comp Bow for the Moving Shot after Yumi Hit, or (What I prefer) Regular Bow with Double Spell for..

    Conc Wep > Para Shot *Switch* > Yumi Double Shot.
     
  32. Freelsy

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    those two previous posts are good for pvp. For pvm, if you suit up with maximum stamina you can use the Crossbow for optimum results. The heavy is good as well, but most people that run that also have every ssi enhancing item. I believe crossbow is the best for pvm.
     
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    like you know anything about pvp loser....
     
  34. Chardonnay

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    I was PvP'in when you was still in diapers son...
     
  35. Aye! necro archer is good id say,Ya you would need to switch up the gear, but that comes from a person who never played any thing but an archer/thief for the most part.
     
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    I have a fairly decent heavy, it does not deal damage quickly enough.

    I think ya just need a gm tinkered hatchet, & no combat skills, to pvm the sheep in Iantown. I had Hughes once summon a Circle of Flame fire ele on em but that seemed like overkill and it left the sheep meat a bit dried and scorched up, for cooking em up right.

    I find if I just stealth up to em and shout 'BOO' the sheep all just keel over and DIE like ants ! Maybe ya need a couple of good shetland sheepdog shelties, like my pupdogs, to herd em in for ya better, to take aim on em all, to pvm on em, out there in Iantown, dunno ! rolleyes:
     
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    Is that why the sheep in Iantown keep running away from me? I had to soul stone stealth on just to get close enough to sheer them. I let them live after though... I am not much for lamb chops.