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Best Weapon Type for UEV

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Katrena, May 23, 2013.

  1. Katrena

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    Hi,

    With the ongoing discussion about sampire's, I thought I would try my regular Paladin on the UEV that has been mentioned. Stratics says to use an Elemental or an Air Elemental slayer. I will need to imbue a Broadsword and was wondering if an Air Elemental slayer will actually give triple damage against the UEV? Also, what material would be best for my Broadsword?

    Thanks, Katrena
     
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    I am not going to try and give you exact numbers but I will tell you that based on tests, air elemental slayer by itself = Enemy of One + Elemental Slayer.

    Broadsword is good. Longsword is good too. Leafblade is good. It's my understanding that some use a katana as well. Basically use a weapon you like to use and can be effective with. Every character, and player, is different.

    No idea on materials.

    -Galen's player
     
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    Personally I swapped off my swords and put on mace. I use a war axe with air ele slayer. Lots if damage with AI and LS, with the added benefit of reducing their stamina to nothing.
     
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    Well, the air elemental slayer will give you +200% damage modification, and elemental slayer will give you 100%. You start with 100% naturally, and 300% is the max damage mod you can get. So with air elemental you won't need enemy of one, with Elemental slayer you will need enemy of one plus consecrate weapon to get to 200% (198% actually if I remember correctly). Assuming your Chiv is at 120.

    I have a vampire paladin myself (Mace/Tactics/Chiv/Anat/Parry-120 Necro-100) and they were no challenge at all, and died pretty fast. Heres what I did:

    War Axe (3.0 base speed) with 30SSI, Air elemental slayer, Max Hit Mana Leech, 43 DI, and whats left in hit lower defense.

    Stats: 55% LMC 120 Stam, 85 Int, 42DCI, some bonus hps... and thats about it. I don't even have HCI. I use Divine Fury to for the +15% SSI to get my war axe swinging at 1.25, and chain AI all the doo-dah day. They dropped fairly fast, but its boring work. Studded keeps your stamina at max almost always, and using DF a few times a minute guarantees it never drops below max.

    Since the broadsword is 3.25, youll need 120 stam +55ssi or 150 stam and 35%ssi. If you don't have 120 chiv youll have to find it on your suit someplace. Being on siege I have to rely on the chiv, but with insurance it should be a piece of cake to get your stats up there.
     
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    Use an Air elemental weapon, and keep up consecrate weapon. If you are using a weapon with Armor Ignore, then you also want to use Enemy of One for max damage when AI hits.

    For material type, 100% poison is best when CW isn't in effect, but 100% physical is not too far behind. DON'T use one with energy damage since UEV's have 100% energy resistance. And it hits against energy resist, so you want max energy resist on your armor.

    Resists and Damage
    TypesPhysicalFireColdPoisonEnergy
    Resistances 60 - 70% 65 - 75% 65 - 75% 55 - 65% 100%
    Damage --- --- --- --- 100%
     
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    This part is not correct. EOE will add to max damage on AI hits. Try it to see for yourself.
     
  7. Uvtha

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    I have. It's the same. EEO only effects it if you are using a super, not a true slayer. As per the numbers provided by Logrus, and my own testing.

    With EOO and air elemental slayer I cap out at around 175 for AI hits. With no EOO and air elemental slayer I cap out at around 175.

    Same goes for consecrate weapon damage mod (not the lowest resist effect).

    True slayers hit the damage mod cap.
     
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  8. Winter

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    Well, then I must be a special case. :)

    Damage jumps from 177 without EOE, to 189 with my war axe and EEO on. I was just down there, so I am not guessing on this. I'm not sure why the difference then.
     
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    I am using this on my Standard Pally/Parry Swordsman and getting UEV's down in avg 9 mins disco them with my tamer - which is fine for me - my char still isnt 120 swords or tactics still Training him on the UEV's ;)
    With enemy of one and cons wep and the mods on my armor and jewels i avg a discorded uev 75 damage a hit - i dont have max hit Chance but still hit pretty often ;)
    Highest AI damage i ever saw was 157 if i remember correct....
    Ist a nice dummy to Train skills and healing for not so bad loot...

    katana1.JPG
     
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    I use elemental slayer longsword. I might try air elemental next. My top hit I've managed so far was 203 with all the spell buffs and AI.
     
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    I use bladed staff with sampire built on armor ignore and honor. Honor him, chain armor ignore for 177 pts a hit and swing at cap (1.25) thanks to 180 stamina and 15% SSI on items.
    Using the weapon on the right....


    [​IMG]
     
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    Yup, my bad. I forgot AI drops your damage mod to 90%. So EEO does improve the damage of armor ignores. You are right!

    Casting Consecrate weapon at 120 has the same effect. Which leads me to believe that AI drops your base damage mod to 90%, so without consecrate, or enemy of one (or grapes of wrath) you will be at 290% when you armor ignore. Or something like that. :/
     
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    I also Train my Pets on UEV's while my Swordsman tanking it ;)
    Its nice to watch and i its not how fast i can kill it whats amazing me or the loot (which isnt to bad but not good enough for the time spent honestly) but the gains for my pet and my tank hehe
     
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    This! I use an almost identical bladed staff.
     
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    3-4 min each for me to bring one down with no 'interruptions' from other UEVs....
     
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    Hi,

    Thanks for all of the great information. I made two Broadswords out of Valorite. I imbued one with Elemental and the other with Air Elemental. Both have 30 SSI, 40DI, 55 HML, and 40 HSL. Just my luck, I got two UEV's on me, but it gave me a good chance to try both swords. To my surprise, I could not see any damage difference between either sword. My damage with CW and EOO was between 77 and 88. My damage with AI was in the 200 range and I even hit for 220 once. As a side note, I also tried the swords without HSL to see how the new publish worked with the stamina regen from plate. I went down slightly in stamina without the HSL, and with the 40 HSL, I didn't go down at all. I'm not sure in minutes, but it took me slightly longer than the time EOO lasts to kill one. I'm not sure what all of this information means, so if anyone reads more out of this, please post your comments.

    Thanks, Katrena
     
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    i use 100% poison air ele slayer,bladed staff while reading stratics :)
     
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    Sorry but what is a UEV ? I am looking for a new fight to get reinvigorated in the game.
     
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    I'd pick another. It's a really boring fight.
     
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    Bladed staves for Swords are the best DPS weapon to use in these instances. War Axes for Mace. Theo is spot on.
     
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    I use an elemental slayer longsword at 1,25 speed and chain ai. Dmg numbers are 201 max
     
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    It is a boring fight but it's where all the "cool" loot comes from right?
     
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    You mean while reading stratics on another Screen or Computer, right? ;)
     
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    If i monitored correctly, more cool stuff Comes from Covetous Level 4 Prison Cells - but some of These critters are even more harder because the all got 159.9 resist and sometimes 20k hp hehe
     
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    LOL - on my other macing sampire I have the same weapon only its a War Axe :)
     
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    Yes... they have good loot, but there are things that have similar loot that have less than 20k hps.
     
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    100% poison air elem slayer is the way to go if u can get one.
    I hunt them with a friend & our best time for a kill was 1 min 22 seconds.
    My hits top out at 270, normally around 235. When counter attack hits my damage
    can jump to 405 per hit (adding the numbers for a single attack) but usually less.
    Normal time is around 1 min 40secs per kill. I just unraveled our last hunt for
    171 relics, about an hour and half of killings :)

    I'm running 10 points over the luck cap.
     
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    Would be super awesome to get a total breakdown of damage modifiers and the cap now that all the chiv stuff got added it. Maybe we can get a rehash from someone?
     
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    Thanks for the info Ron. I can take down the UEV's ok but my main problem is luck (I think). My sampire only has luck from the statue thing and then 1000 bonus from perfection. What do you guys run (luck wise) to get un-cursed stuff?
     
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    Theres a stickied post on the warrior forum entitled "120 chivalry?" where Logrus explains it.
     
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    I am running ok with luck betwee 1000 and 1200 - if i wear more the Drops seem to be alot more "dirty" than in this range - especially at Covetous, all Levels...on the UEV i am YET to see a clean artifact...
     
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    Humorously the only clean legendarys I have gotten both came off of lizardman squatters. But the intensities were not great on either.
     
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    "Clean" legendary items are over rated. Sure - nice to have - but you can build a really great suit with cursed items - and really, really cheap.

    I just picked up cursed arms and gloves from the UEVs that brought my stats up to 145/78/172 with 55 SSI. But had to take a hit on LMC from 35 down to 30. I am wearing 4 cursed items, and have yet to lose anything.
     
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    I keep anything with good resists that isn't "cannot repair". Cursed means nothing on siege, since all but one of your items is essentially cursed. :p
    I am searching for a good ring or shield with +10% ssi that I can use my siege bless on to reliably get my swings to 1.25.
     
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    bladed staff or a char with a axe weapon that has lumberjack. air elemental slayer and 100% DI.
    With the upgrade to 2 handed weapons use them over single handed weapons. Use Counter attack to gain those extra hits. I run HLD, Stam leec, Air ellie slayer, Mana leech, and DI on my bladed staff. You can make awesome cursed suits; how often do you die in pvm and not get back to your body? never happens nowadays. Keep awesome cursed tems you can repair. Clean legendarys or majors will happen in time; just dont farm for them as they hardly ever drop.
     
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    Hi,

    I'm trying to digest all of the information here and I'm not real clear on why the bladed staff is the preferred weapon for a lot of people. Can someone explain the advantages of the bladed staff over other weapons?

    Thanks, Katrena
     
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    It has 3 second sword weapon speed with Armor Ignore special, and high damage at 14-17. This lets you get to max weapon speed (1.25 seconds) without adding SSI onto the weapon. However, it is a 2-handed weapon.

    My new favorite weapon is the Hammer Pick, a one-handed mace weapon with 3.25 seconds speed. AI special and 13-17 damage range. This lets me equip a shield with some pretty nice mods on it. But then, I have the mace skill instead of swords.
     
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    Thats what I'm working up to. Trying to find a clean shield with +10% ssi so I can get a pick to max swing speed.
     
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    I have one you can have a look at.
     
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    I was fighting them with a 100% poison halberd with stam leech, mana leech, life leech and air elemental slayer.
    The fight dragged on and on.
    Today I switched it for a 100% poison bladed staff with mana leech, life leech, 50 hld and air elemental slayer. It is almost unfair. You can chain AI after AI most of the time and HLD makes a huge difference. Poor things go down in 2 or 3 minutes.
    Plate plus divine fury once in a while makes stam leech is now totally obsolete nowadays.
     
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    The Bladed staff thing isnt complex.. It has Armor Ignore and beyond that its just a consideration of base weapon speed and dmg. You want to be at capped speed (1.25 sec / swing) and other than that its how much ssi do you need @ a given stamina etc.... If you think about it Double strike has the potential to do morensmg than AI on UEV's if you can corpse skin them & 2x the leech chances heh. Its all a number munchkin game.
     
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    I am going with 1.75 with divine fury and it seems to be going well enough for me. I won't crunch some SSI on my already poorly made suit if what I have is working pretty well to keep me alive. :p