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Bum deals

Discussion in 'EA Land/The Sims Online Stratics Forums' started by mpn, Apr 19, 2008.

  1. mpn

    mpn Guest

    Store owners, TC3 or EAL, ever have somebody come in and try to make a bum deal with you for something?

    One person came in and sold me the pet canopy bed, which they said was for $300. When I checked the retail price, it was $114. I was out $187, especially since i don't sell anthing at retail price (this bed is now priced at $113).

    I've also had at least five other people offer me junk for something. One in particular tried to give me $200 worth of furniture for a $684 jam table. Thankfully, I've wised up. I mention to these people that they can make me an offer instead, but then I get ridiculous offers (same person offered me $150). When I kindly tell them to be reasonable, they "take their business elsewhere".

    I've had one good deal, where I got $400 worth of random stuff for $390. I can at least make a profit on these things. Who else has been confronted with these kinds of offers?
     
  2. ah. People used to try that stuff all the time with me in TC3. As a shopkeeper though, I had a much better knowledge of actual value and resale value of objects. In trade window, you can check information on any item in the trade window to check its current retail price and wear. I would always pay much less for objects that I knew were difficult to resell. I find it's much better to be in the driver's seat when making deals. They can take it or leave it.

    Edited to add..

    I also noticed a sub-culture of entrepeneurs that would shop in resell shops and buy cheap objects then take them to another resell shop and sell it for more than they paid. [​IMG]
     
  3. DGLita

    DGLita Guest

    Thats business for you. Buyer beware
     
  4. Shop keepers have to be knowledgeable in many things.
     
  5. Guest

    Guest Guest

    <blockquote><hr>

    Shop keepers have to be knowledgeable in many things.

    [/ QUOTE ]That is important, not only in game, but in real life. If you want to be successful, you need to do your homework and really know your business well.
     
  6. Guest

    Guest Guest

    <blockquote><hr>

    Shop keepers have to be knowledgeable in many things.




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    That is important, not only in game, but in real life. If you want to be successful, you need to do your homework and really know your business well.



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    Yes, we store people must:

    Be so alert to the everchanging prices.

    We must not hide or go afk even to go to the bathroom or answer the phone.

    We must greet every visitor and be understanding when they do not respond.

    We must feed ourselves hundreds of simoleans a day of food when not hiding so we are not accused of cheating. We must take this in stride since it is expected what we are superhuman.

    We must be understanding of the customer who accuses us of cheating them when we tell them that one bookcase that used to cost $475 is now over $8000 because the customer cannot see the catalog.

    We must not copy or resell custom content or any images on the internet.

    We must be perfect.
     
  7. Guest

    Guest Guest

    <blockquote><hr>

    Yes, we store people must:

    Be so alert to the everchanging prices.

    We must not hide or go afk even to go to the bathroom or answer the phone.

    We must greet every visitor and be understanding when they do not respond.

    We must feed ourselves hundreds of simoleans a day of food when not hiding so we are not accused of cheating. We must take this in stride since it is expected what we are superhuman.

    We must be understanding of the customer who accuses us of cheating them when we tell them that one bookcase that used to cost $475 is now over $8000 because the customer cannot see the catalog.

    We must not copy or resell custom content or any images on the internet.

    We must be perfect.

    [/ QUOTE ][​IMG]

    Overact much?
     
  8. Guest

    Guest Guest

    <blockquote><hr>

    <blockquote><hr>

    Shop keepers have to be knowledgeable in many things.




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    That is important, not only in game, but in real life. If you want to be successful, you need to do your homework and really know your business well.



    [/ QUOTE ]

    Yes, we store people must:

    Be so alert to the everchanging prices. <font color="red"> * </font>

    We must not hide or go afk even to go to the bathroom or answer the phone.

    We must greet every visitor and be understanding when they do not respond. <font color="red">* </font>

    We must feed ourselves hundreds of simoleans a day of food when not hiding so we are not accused of cheating. We must take this in stride since it is expected what we are superhuman.

    We must be understanding of the customer who accuses us of cheating them when we tell them that one bookcase that used to cost $475 is now over $8000 because the customer cannot see the catalog.

    We must not copy or resell custom content or any images on the internet. <font color="red"> * </font>

    We must be perfect.

    [/ QUOTE ]

    Gee, sarcastic much? Only three of those are even close to correct, as noted by the red asterisks.

    Yes, as a customer service agent (as is anybody who works in a store in RL or in-game) you have to be somewhat understanding of people who do not respond to greetings, and yes you must be somewhat understanding of those who are leary of the fluxuating prices, for just the reason you stated. They can't see the catalog, and scammers abound, so can you blame people for being caught off guard if those prices really fluctuat from day to day as much as you say they do in EA Land? If you went to Best Buy and a DVD player was $150 and you went in the next day, or even a couple weeks later and that same DVD player was now $500 when the previous price had not been advertised as a special sale would you not at least have this expression on your face [​IMG] if not

    [​IMG]?

    You might not scream from the rooftop that Best Buy was scamming people on DVD players, but if it were me I'd at least be interrogating that salesclerk or store manager pretty hard. Putting players names on profiles as scammers is a violation of both the RoC here and the ToS of the game, so other than putting up with a bit of rudeness, and given the option to boot, ban and ignore that player, what is the big deal except a few minutes of aggrivation plus however much time it takes you to get over it?

    As for being alert, yep, with prices fluctuating like they do every shop owner should go over the catalog, at least the popular selling stuff, to know what the current going rate for it is. That's just part of the duties.

    And for the 50th time, afk'ing for bathroom breaks is not, nor never has been an issue, but why would you NEED to hide your sim if it was just going to be for that 5-10 minutes. If I landed at a store lot I'd be a whole lot more inclined to believe that the owner or roomie had just gone on a standard brief AFK rather than an extended one if he/she was out in the open and not hiding...I dunno if anybody else has that thought process or not, but that's the way I'd view it.

    As for the food thing......seriously, do you realize how long you'd have to be sitting on that store lot to consume hundreds of dollars of food? One buffet set at the beginning of the day and then put into inventory when you finish so you could continue to use it when you needed to green would give you 6 greening cycles. If somebody's trying to keep a store open longer than that per day with no roomies there to keep it open while you take a breather, then its no wonder people get burned out so quickly and resort to cheating to keep up the pace.

    I'm beginning to wonder if there's not a reason to set a time limit on the number of hours a day a store can be open. It seems that doing so would serve to 'level' the playing field some, in spite of the cheaters. Say, I dunno, somewhere like 4-6 RL hours. Then when that time limit was up you'd get a notice that would allow all the sims who were not hidden and actually shopping to allow them to complete their last minute purchases (just like would happen in a regular store....at closing time they usually don't kick late shoppers completely out before they've had a chance to go to the checkout counter), and then after an additional 10 minutes has gone by the store automatically shuts down and can't be reopened till the next morning's maintenance. Those 4-6 hours can be taken at any point in the day.....the choice being the owner's or the roomie's whoever, but by doing this those lots that are currently unseen would not remain unseen, they'd have a chance to cycle in and at least get into the top 50 if not higher up on the list. Without the afk cheating being such an unfair advantage, players might not get in such an uproar about it, which would then in turn cause alot less drama here on the boards and in the game. It would still be somewhat of an advantage, but not as much of one because players could only do it for 6 hours a day instead of 22. Maybe it could also be said that no more than 2 sims can be hiding on ANY lot simultaneously to avoid somebody putting 10-20 sims in for that 6 hours RL, which would decrease the unfair advantage even more.

    Anyway, there's really no reason to go to the opposite extreme to make it seem like people are encompassing cheating to include stuff that it so obviously doesn't include like having to take care of RL greening needs. Going that far with it doesn't make the actual points that *were* made look any more ridiculous, it just undermines your own credibility further, IMO.
     
  9. Guest

    Guest Guest

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    Gee, sarcastic much?

    [/ QUOTE ]

    I 'got' it.
    If you read every other post on these forums, you would probably come up with the same list of expectations as Angele.

    Since this thread wasn't started as another conversation about AFK stores, let's not confuse the original topic. If anyone wants to discuss AFK/Hide-n-seek stores (again or still), please see the other appropriate thread.
     
  10. Guest

    Guest Guest

    <blockquote><hr>

    <blockquote><hr>

    Shop keepers have to be knowledgeable in many things.




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    That is important, not only in game, but in real life. If you want to be successful, you need to do your homework and really know your business well.



    [/ QUOTE ]

    Yes, we store people must:

    Be so alert to the everchanging prices.

    We must not hide or go afk even to go to the bathroom or answer the phone.

    We must greet every visitor and be understanding when they do not respond.

    We must feed ourselves hundreds of simoleans a day of food when not hiding so we are not accused of cheating. We must take this in stride since it is expected what we are superhuman.

    We must be understanding of the customer who accuses us of cheating them when we tell them that one bookcase that used to cost $475 is now over $8000 because the customer cannot see the catalog.

    We must not copy or resell custom content or any images on the internet.

    We must be perfect.

    [/ QUOTE ]

    Applauding loudly..

    But lets not forget.....

    We must be polite when rude players come in and call us names... and our store...

    We must bow to what they feel is a reasonable cost to the item.. even though it costs more....

    We have to to go below our discounts to make some happy if not we are overpriced...

    We have to keep loosing money on items that go down in price and not try to make a profit.... even though we paid more for it even with discount

    We have to take trades or we are losers... hmmmmm

    Im sure other shop keepers could add .....

    If we there are now going to be suggestions of limiting store open time.. then it should be suggested that it go thru all categories... I'm so tired of the shop keepers getting the bad end of the stick.. Why not pick on another category for a bit.... Like money houses, skill houses... There is plenty to complain on them too yet all I see is complaint after complaint about customer service... well heres my rant... Half the time I say hello to a new customer.. they poof.. half the time I try to start a convo they ignore.. so now.. I wait.. if someone talks then I respond.. other wise its a waste of my typing ... really there are two sides.. and its about time others listen to the shop keepers.. since if it wasn't for us being open you wouldn't be able to get your catalog needed usable items like replacement toilets....

    Or maybe we can talk about the lazy shopper.. the one that tags all stores for items to see if they carry it.. yet its to hard to click the bio to see if they even carry those items.. My friend owns a flower shop.. says right on it what it is yet him and his roomies gets slammed with DO YOU CARRY ... How I look at these type of shoppers is this.. If you can't take the time to stop by and look around.. then guess its not worth my time answering your question. It used to be something I did all the time.. but now.. when I feel like it I will.. just like when they feel like really touching down at a store to look. who knows what you might find other then the item you were looking for... Or those that just like to HI and you respond and nothing .. what a test to see if someone is there.. well come on in check it out have a convo other then HI... and nothing more... each side has their points..
     
  11. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Where is Trooper Cooper when you need him? Remember they guy that "practiced message board brevity?"

    Yes, thanks, Milton, it is a compilation of several other threads and some is off-topic, but thanks for understanding.

    I forgot to add that we must also explain the game mechanics to the new free players that land at stores because the welcome lots can't afford the food and the free people can't get into the skill and money lots. We also must be able to communicate with them in 5 different languages including Portuguese.
     
  12. Guest

    Guest Guest

    <blockquote><hr>


    I forgot to add that we must also explain the game mechanics to the new free players that land at stores because the welcome lots can't afford the food and the free people can't get into the skill and money lots. We also must be able to communicate with them in 5 different languages including Portuguese.

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    And in between teaching the game to someone in Portuguese, thou shalt understand exactly which table I want when I ask for "the brown one".
    Thou shalt also price up my order of 15 traffic cones, 4 hula lamps and 23 flamingos - which of course I will decide I don't really want after you have set them all out for sale for me.

    [​IMG]

    Polly
     
  13. I get it. [​IMG]

    As a store owner you must make sure to price any item for sale at the exact same price or lower as other stores, so that you are not accused of price gouging and scamming, even if you must take a loss on purchasing these items to put in your store. [​IMG]

    As a store owner you do not have the right to refuse service to anyone. Your store is a public service and you must remember the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one.[​IMG]