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@ Calvin Crowner

Discussion in 'UHall' started by IceCast[AI], Nov 12, 2009.

  1. IceCast[AI]

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    Dear Calvin Crowner

    I love your ideas and your motivation keep it up,
    However i would like to argue about a quote you made

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    More importantly, something I know you have been waiting for – engineering has been working on speedhacking and 3rd party program detection. We’re closer each day to a solution, but are not publishing it until it’s solid.
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    I would suggest you work the problems out of The Stygian Abyss client. before random banning people for 3th party usage.
    Since currently The Stygian Abyss Client has a integrated speedhack far superior then any on the market

    Now i dont meen to be rude in any way. but if you wanna make uo Cheat free.. i would start at your latest developments.. Do a good Test between 2d speed vs Sa Speed, you will immidiately see the diffirence

    Sincerely IceCast
     
  2. kelmo

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    Do both.
     
  3. Viquire

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    oi

    If everyone migrates to the newer approved client then we will all be on a level playing field.

    Funny you choose to use one because it gives you advantage, you refuse to use the other when and even though you can still be advantaged, just in a different way.
     
  4. MissEcho

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    As far as I am aware anyone is entitled to use the Enhanced Client with its improved functionality and speed. If you CHOOSE not to that is YOUR choice.

    Unless of course you rely on 'other' things in the 2d client to assist you.

    Enhanced Client ftw!
     
  5. Mitzlplik_SP

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    Yea...what he said.

    Classic Client 4eva!

    :stir: :popcorn:
     
  6. Aurelius

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    But we'd also be on a level playing field if they unplugged everyone's keyboards and smashed their mice or trackball....

    Everyone 'equal' on something many of us don't like isn't an 'improvement'. So far, I plain dislike the new client. Some things in it are very handy, but it looks blurry, some things that look 'functional' at best in 2d look outright ugly in EC, it remains unstable on my machine (better, yes - stable? No).

    Do both is the right answer. Want me to switch to the EC? Persuade me by offering an EC I like.
     
  7. popps

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    I am just guessing here, but "perhaps" the developers would like to have players migrate to the enhanced client in large numbers so that they can finally stop having to maintain 2 clients which is a waste of resources ?

    And how can they achieve that if not making the enhanced client overly better than the classic client ?

    As I said, just merely guessing here but it would make sense to me that the enhanced client was to be far better than the classic client if the desire is to have players leave the classic client and use the enhanced one........
     
  8. Petra Fyde

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    Believe it or not, there are people who pvp perfectly well in 2D, without cheats, some of them without even uoa. How do they do it? They're better players.

    I envy them their ability, but I don't suffer from the kind of ego that requires me to cheat to match them. I am comfortable enough within myself to admit there are better players than I.
     
  9. Trevelyan

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    Firstly, i've not been around much for about 4 or 5 months. Second, i'm a 2d only person.

    So I don't know much about SA. The SA client = "Enhanced" client? And what is this about inbuilt speed enhancement?
     
  10. popps

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    Personally, I'd rather prefer to know for sure that some other player beat me in PvP because they are better than me rather than "thinking" that they may have beat me thanking to cheats, hacks and scripts...

    And the only way to make that sure, I think, is knowing that due to developers' and programmers' hard work and dedication it is IMPOSSIBLE to use cheats, hacks and scripts to gain an edge in the game.

    So, if they can make Ultima Online a cheat free game this is wonderfull news to me.
     
  11. Petra Fyde

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    As far as I know it doesn't have one. What it does have is infinitely better pathfinding, so you don't get hung up on anything. You can charge through the forest unhindered, which obviously makes you much quicker.

    Popps: Yes, I agree, it will be much better if they can stop the cheaters :)
     
  12. Winker

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    You are all living in a dream world.

    When they make cheats detectable the people who write the cheat software will write undetectable cheats. Then the UO team have to spend more time trying to detect the new cheats, and then we start to go round a merry-go-round. This will leave less resources for new content and will slow down the bug fixes. The UO team are bound by hard cash! They can only do what there budget says they can do. The people who write these programs do so free of charge, most of them enjoy the challenge of beating the system.

    All this is going to do is make them spend more cash on cheat detection and less cash on development. Remeber they have a budget to run UO and this has to be split up between departments.

    Best thing they can do is let the 2D client die out (I only use the 2d client and would hate to see this) and focus on the new client.

    A good example of this is Counter strike, every time steam updates with the new hack detection system the cheaters write a new hack within days. You cant stop them, there motivation is to beet the system.

    Our subscription cash would be better spent on fixing all the current bugs and flaws.
     
  13. Splup

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    Man you need to get rid of that AI tag haha.

    But to the topic. I'd start with getting rid of cheats. I'd bet that there's far more 2d speedhackers then EC users in PvP. Also we'r not just talking about speedhack here, but also usage of all kind of others scripts and cheats. These cause problems outside PvP... Like mining scripts, lumberjacking scripts, bod scripts etc. ruining the economy, or atleast making it waste of time for people to do those things manually anymore.

    Scriptings problems go far beyond PvP, so that's why I'd start with preventing cheats/hacks. And like I said, I think EC is causing less troubles in PvP then speedhack...
     
  14. lucitus

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    Ohh iam using the Enhanced client in PvP and i must say this speed you pay with a very high price!

    Lagging players, mirrors of players on screen, no movement sound of other playes when riding, no good mount macro.

    I would say they should first fix the Enhanced client at all, that includes the communication between 2d and the Enhanced client and then we can enable a protection of both.

    With KR the things were different, there the price was the permanent crashes and other bugs, but the itself was better for PvP compared to the state of EC now.