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Can Siege get together about being able to undye Faction-Dyed Items?

Discussion in 'UO Siege Perilous' started by Sweeney, Aug 18, 2009.

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Agree or Not?

  1. Yes

    35.3%
  2. No

    64.7%
  1. Sweeney

    Sweeney Guest

    I am wondering.. this would be very nice for the shard. I'm thinking named-faction items should stay dyed (Although in a separate issue which was brought up before we should be rid of these)..

    But, any unnamed faction dyed item should be able to be undyed, for a price.. say 50k per item? This would benefit the shard.. returning it to less of a faction-or-lose scenario when it comes to rare items.

    Thoughts? Can we get together on this?
     
  2. Duke SP

    Duke SP Guest

    Then what would the point of dyeing them be then?I'm new so educate me please.
     
  3. id be for something like this.

    faction stronghold have a vendor outside, that will undye items for silver.

    how non faction characters get silver is up to them
     
  4. Sweeney

    Sweeney Guest

    In essence, there would be no point aside from looks, and to screw the eventual 'other-type' owner into paying to undye them.

    This isn't prodo, people can't insure their items.. hence the buybacks and crap. Faction-dying was never meant as a Siege-only thing.. this way faction dyed items would have a market beyond fellow factioneers.
     
  5. Sweeney

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    FYI it doesn't cost silver to faction-dye an item.. only for those named-faction-bought items (which as I said is a separate issue).
     
  6. Righty

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    actually they don't even have faction dyed gear on prodo
     
  7. Sweeney

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    Hmm well then my ignorance shines through.. but the intent still stands (I only lasted 3 weeks on prodo). The way I see it, any unnamed faction-dyed item ends up staying faction-dyed until the end of time, and I don't like this.
     
  8. Ole Cheapy

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    Absolutely not. I vote no.
     
  9. Sweeney

    Sweeney Guest

    Speedy and Cheapy, post your reasons.. noone likes an uninformed (uninterested) voter.
     
  10. Sweeney

    Sweeney Guest

    Please elaborate..
     
  11. Ole Cheapy

    Ole Cheapy Guest

    Well the factioner that made the decision to dye it, did it with the intent that the item would NEVER return to normal again. I think the items should stay as the original dyer intended. I guess I'm just old fashion and miss pub 16. *shrugs*
     
  12. Sweeney

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    But with faction-named items.. does your argument really make sense? The best items pre-pub 57(or 59) became pathetic once factioneers could buy it for silver. It is time to return some power to the non-factioneers (or to opposite factioneers).

    I am not asking to be able to un-name named-faction gear.. just to be able to undye the un-named faction items out there. This would unbalance nothing.. in fact it would add more balance.

    [edit]That is what we all want on Siege isn't it?[/edit]
     
  13. Mr.StinkyPants

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    theres always those free shards that rock pub 16
     
  14. Sweeney

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    :postcount:

    Did you have anything to offer or just useless trash?
     
  15. Freelsy

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    I would not mind seeing artifacts and named items (crimson, totem..) not be able to be faction-dyed. But i like being able to dye my UBER pieces of armor and jewls so only one other faction can utilize them (thus ehancing the odds for buy backs).
     
  16. Duke SP

    Duke SP Guest

    I'm still trying to figure out why faction items get stamped with someone's name?Isn't that what this poll should be about?
     
  17. Sweeney

    Sweeney Guest

    Read my first post.. that is a separate issue. As I have already said.
     
  18. Mr.StinkyPants

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    i was replying to cheapys plee for pub 16

    such an *******........
     
  19. Sweeney

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    But that is the problem.. on prodo such items would be insured forever, on Siege they are in essence half-insured forever (only faction people can use them).

    But how about cursed artifacts.. do you agree that these should stay in circulation forever as was intended?
     
  20. Sweeney

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    PS: If you have voted without an opinion, you're pathetic. State your reasons, even if it's just "so and so said it best."

    Either ignore the thread or participate.. your voiceless opinions only say how defeated you have become, and afraid of confrontation and debate.
     
  21. Freelsy

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    No I completely agree with you on all arty's, be it cursed or real and named minor artifacts. All should be undyable. But items crafted by themselves should be able to be dyed...in a sense, its my item, i made it i want to keep it.
     
  22. Mr.StinkyPants

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    well my reasons for voting no is that u sweeny are a ****face and this poll should be shut down cause well i'd rather not get into it :p
     
  23. Sweeney

    Sweeney Guest

    Good reason for a child. A lousy reason for someone who can think for themself.
     
  24. Duke SP

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    Another thing you should have put on the poll was whoever is voting are you in factions.Because i think non factions are gonna vote to be able to undye them and faction people are gonna vote to not be able to undye them.
     
  25. Sweeney

    Sweeney Guest

    Anyone who has played this shard for an amount of time knows I am not in factions.. I seek balance, and beyond balance among factions, balance among all players.
     
  26. Duke SP

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    If you don't mind me asking, who are your characters in game?
     
  27. Sweeney

    Sweeney Guest

    A silly question, for a different thread. You must be new. ;)
     
  28. Duke SP

    Duke SP Guest

    Why is it silly?Yes, i'm very new. (4-5 weeks old):blushing:
     
  29. Sweeney

    Sweeney Guest

    I am my name. But let's keep this on topic please.
     
  30. Sweeney

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    Speedy and Troop vote without an ability to voice an opinion.. are they just parrots to their masters?
     
  31. HoldenCaulfield

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    I agree with Sweeney in his 2nd paragraph of initial post.

    I believe there are many faction dyed items that are were dyed prior to the faction arties being implemented and are 'weak' compared to the faction arties. They may no longer be of use to those in factions but might be of use to the general non-faction population.
     
  32. Sweeney

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    Speedy and Troop.. you both voted without speaking your mind.. like worthless robots to your masters. Are you slaves to a master or do you have an opinion?
     
  33. Sweeney

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    Congrats Speedy.. you voted hours ago but can't find the words to say why. The whole shard admires you. You are a true blue Sieger. We should all aspire to be you.
     
  34. FrejaSP

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    Why not remove factions all together with the factions dye?

    I miss the time before Faction messed up the shard, the time where most PvP guilds was red and their enemies was the anti PK's.
     
  35. Sweeney

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    Yes I want that too.. but I feel one step at a time is all that has a chance to happen. I figure being able to undye non-named items is a good first step.

    Unless Speedy has something to say against it.. of course he is voiceless like a monkey to his master. Good job Speedy, you'll speak your mind on UHall but won't voice your opinion here. What a pathetic parrot.
     
  36. Sweeney

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    If you didn't voice your opinion you may as well not have voted. This is a pathetic show of Siege. It's no wonder nobody pays attention to the shard when posted on other forums.. nobody wants to defend their beliefs.

    (No offense to those that did voice an opinion.. I'm just disgusted at those that didn't.. they're as bad as Trammies on UHall voting in things they don't care or know about).
     
  37. Mr.StinkyPants

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    says the guy that never has been in a faction
     
  38. archite666

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    No way, its completely in the spirit of Siege that I dye my runics so my opponent can't use them.

    Seriously, no way.
     
  39. RichDC

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    Ive not voted as i only VERY casually play siege, about once every month.

    But it does sound like another kind of insurance to me;

    First of faction arties are name stamped so only that person can use them...this should go, its insurance under a different name.

    Second, every piece of armour(correct?) can be faction dyed so only 2 groups of factions can use it(correct?).

    Both of these combined basically guarantee you will get most if not all of your items returned to you everytime.

    I thought siege was about risk, i fail to see the risk at the moment. In old, if you died didnt you lose everything(save1item).
     
  40. archite666

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    Sorry you are incorrect in all of that.

    Insurance gets your items back, I HARDLY ever get my runics back unless i'm friends with the person.

    The dye system is ment to deny your opponents the use of the items.

    Also 99% of all pvpers here are factioneers. So it really forces people to go factions to use this gear, which is why you guys want it changed.

    Just because someone can't use something doe not mean you get it back lol.

    Thats like saying just because I don't use GM armor means I wouldnt loot it, your crazy.

    Sorry but you still lose everything, your making dyed items into something they are not. Your opponent still loots the items.

    The only thing dyeing does it prevent certain people from using them. Which is awesome, if I'm fighting someone and some blue loots me, i'm happy as hell that he can't use them
     
  41. kelmo

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  42. Draxous

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    I'm sorry, but you couldn't be more wrong.

    The hero/evil system has been on Siege since day one. The problem with the new faction items is the "owned by" because it takes away from us the control we once had over our hard earned stuff. It was OUR choice to dye the items.

    I will never support this ridiculous idea to remove something that's been a part of our entire shards history.
     
  43. Wulf2k

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    What Drax said.

    Do something about the faction arties being name-stamped (or get rid of them completely) and let faction dying continue to remove the top-end items from circulation.

    I swear, two steps backwards, then people start asking if we can turn 180 degrees before taking the next step forward.
     
  44. Kat

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    I voted no as well and the following posts summed it up quite nicely.


    I'll also agree that something should be done about the named faction arties. The name and price should be dropped. Siege faction arties = 5x the cost of prodo faction arties, they get to insure theirs and keep forever, we lose ours repeatedly. That makes zero sense to me.

    Reduce to 2x the cost and removal of the name stamp so they work the same as evil/hero faction dyed items. I'd also support complete removal.
     
  45. Mook Chessy

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    I vote no...

    If the devs have free time, please fix a few of the many bugs.

    I don't know about the rest of the shard, but I know I get pretty pissed when I can't even walk into a gate!! (yes I wait a second)

    We can put a man on the moon but...
     
  46. Kael

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    I voted no

    Regardless of whether I agree or disagree with Hero/Evil armor it would be a complete waste of time for the dev's to work on this when we have serious bugs that actually effect the enjoyment of the game for people.
     
  47. OldAsTheHills

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    The idea of dyeing unnamed faction items is so that only Faction people can
    use them and only by the proper hero/evil relationship inside Factions. The reason
    for this is to increase the pressure upon non-faction players to join Factions.
    The otherwise looted dyed faction item would be useless to the looter who is
    non-faction player.

    Sorry, but not even if there was 100% on this poll for Yes...it not going to happen.

    *stares*
    Yahaxithonix
     
  48. TigerDyr

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    I voted yes.

    I did that for one reason, I dislike the named arties mroe than the evil/hero dye and would have that removed more than this.

    But with the named arties of factions which are better than those not faction, I think its fair that those not in faction have more of an oportunity to be wearing arties, that may Balance out things just a tad.

    So as long as the named arties are here, I dont think that the factioneers should have any more advantages over those none faction, which it is to dye all the good items a factioneer might find...

    So I voted yes.
     
  49. Wulf2k

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    I know that was English, but I have no clue what you just said.

    I'm not even trying to be a jerk, I really have no clue.
     
  50. Wiffle Dust

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    i vote yes to hue change to another factions hue. actualy enjoying the spoils of war over spoils of buyback would be more intertaining. what better way to fuel rivelry than to try to get your lost item back through combat than a check. would make it more fun.