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Can we get an Auction House system similar to World of Warcrafts please?

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Eric Ravenwind, Oct 26, 2011.

  1. Eric Ravenwind

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    This would be a one-stop-shop for all things on vendors. It would help get smaller shops more action. Also, would give people without a house or vendor contract a way to sell stuff.

    Thoughts?
     
  2. Dermott of LS

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    We don't need an auction house per se, but we do need an shard-wide search system ingame that includes all player vendors.

    As for people without a house or vendors, there are PLENTY of housing spots available for people to place a house and open it up for vendors.
     
  3. Luvmylace

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    no was the consensus last go round for this
     
  4. Cogniac

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    No is always the consensus, because supposedly an auction house or in-game search system would destroy the community that apparently doesn't exist because everyone has posted about how they've quit.
     
  5. Salivern_Diago

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    Can we NOT have one of these please, there is no need for it in my opinon. The Vendor system is fnie as it is. Although a vendor search system might be a good idea.

    Please do-not add any WoW features to UO, thank you.
     
  6. hen

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    No,no and thrice no.
     
  7. Viper09

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    I think it's a bit late for this given that we've had vendors for about as long as this game has been around.
     
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  9. Ricsreturn

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    with the bazaar vendors in mag having an option to set up one as an auctioneer would be a great idea. BUT no one wants it if they can't exploit it. The community doesn't want a legit system because they want the option to scam and exploit others.

    Their scripts don't work with'em nor will the vendor search sites.

    GREAT IDEA but players are scared of legit systems
     
  10. aarons6

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    exactly, its really hard to buy everyone out and sell for a really high price and corner a market if its an auction.
     
  11. GalenKnighthawke

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    Well this is clever.

    "If you disagree with me clearly you either exploit or support exploits."

    I'd submit, however, that there's other reasons to oppose this system, as have been articulated the last dozen or so times the idea's come up.

    I have long-considered myself neutral.

    But that doesn't mean I'll disparage someone who argues one way or the other.

    -Galen's player
     
  12. Capn Kranky

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    UO != WoW

    I enjoyed wandering around looking for stuff. I would not recommend doing this ... community is already isolated. This would do more damage.
     
  13. LordDrago

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    Shard wide vendor searches...yes

    WoW auctions...no
     
  14. Kayne

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    Love the use of scripting operators there Capn Kranky.

    No to an auction house.

    Stop being lazy and just get a rune book (or more than 1) and go round looking for what you want.
    This game was meant for exploring and visiting towns and people so go do that not sit at the auction house all the time like in WoW. Heck I've played WoW and I know people who had a char SOLELY for auctioneering.

    Heck It'd be nice if we could have the community feeling back where you run off to the forge and find crafters to repair stuff for you and buy new weapons from.
     
  15. Capn Kranky

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    :lick: Okay ... just for you I'll reword it a bit:
    UO <> WoW
    UO .ne. WoW

    Hows that? Thirty-eight years of IT and I can do 3 "not equal" structures! <laughs> There are more buried somewhere ...

    Back to topic ... I can't tell you how many runebooks are in my bank right now - all for interesting landscapes or vendors or something. I made a scribe simply to make my books for me.
     
  16. Kayne

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    Kranky I like it. Must admit I wouldnt have known the other two but I've used !=

    Personally I said already I would favour a return to crafters being a center point for the community like they were at one point before
     
  17. Pinco

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    The people who says no is just blind...

    Vendor search already exist, so the question is:
    Do you want an official vendor search able to include ALL the vendors or you prefer that illegal shops grows up?

    You like to wander around and open all vendors manually, do that!
    But let's people who don't like this kind of activity to have a legal search tool :p
     
  18. Salivern_Diago

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    No I'm not blind, having an auction system would destroy so many of the mini communitities that have been created in UO. It would also bring the death knell to all the player auctions. There is no need for it and its an rubbish idea peroid.

    As for a vendor search... yes that is a good idea but then you'll only have the 'capitialists' making money from it while the normal people have to pay huge prices.
     
  19. pgib

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    I really don't see how traveling from point A to B in an environment that is totally static and not very pleasant to be looked at can be seen as a purpose of the game. Especially considering that UO never had any purposes other than be played the way you like more.

    Yes to both the auction and an official vendor search system.
     
  20. Terrible.
    Would simply let me gouged the system and 100's of other's would do the same.



    What would I do...
    Turnins coming in a week. Hmmm. Let me by all the AOS stuff, Roses, deeds because I found the information out before everyone.

    Bingo.
     
  21. Keep the community that exists. I agree.
     
  22. A Thought Elemental

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    Implementing a means to in-game search for all the player-sold items on vendors across the server is an important tool/step for decreasing the pull that gold-sellers have in the game, and, is the first step of a process which increases the revenue that comes into the company from the players. This is a positive thing, ppl, if you want this UO thing of yours to stay alive into the future.

    The most powerful opposition to this will come from people who are involved with certain gold-selling sites (which, right now, do this indexing and searching of items for players).

    At the point when players are no longer regularly visiting these sites for these basic database searches, the process of taking revenue back from the gold sellers can begin in earnest. As long as the new in-game search function works well enough, this will be the point when gold sellers no longer offer a service that players absolutely require and the game itself does not have.

    With that problem out of the way, the next step would be determining exactly where the company is losing revenue to things which are empowered by the effects of gold-sellers and excess/duped gold. The big question being - which services are players utilizing which are empowered by gold, but shouldn't be. Things could then be adjusted around to intelligently accomodate the situation.

    For example, when I think about the present state of things. This is totally off the top of my head. I could see changing how Transfer Tokens work. I could see lowering the price of them at the EA store, and, making them account-bound to the account which purchases them. Additionally, you would make an NPC which sells this exact same thing in-game for a certain, large-ish amount of gold, and that price is, specifically, for more gold than would make sense to buy from a gold-seller (gold sink ftw, btw..)

    Things like above shouldn't be done until the in-game indexing and searching of player vendor items is up and working. Once things like this get underway, they'd have to watch what's happening in the game to ensure that they are meeting the needs of players (for example, players who want to server transfer, or use some other service, the pricing (which will be meaningful to individuals for perhaps the first time) needs to be proper for the percieved value, and any other aquisition means needs to agree with players' sensibilities.
     
  23. Eric Ravenwind

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    I'm going to explain how I'd like this to work:

    I don't mean "Auction" like a regular auction; i couldn't think of a better term at the time. Maybe call it a "Vendor House".

    It's supposed to be a system where people can post an item then set a buy price. All items in the system can be accessed from NPC Vendors placed in towns, a bank maybe, or a seperate building all together. Any item posted into the Vendor House will be available from any NPC Vendors in Any Town.

    Example:
    I just killed an Ogre Lord and got an Undead Slayer Lute. I would then go to an NPC Vendor in Jhelom & post the item with her: the sale price i entered would be 5000gp. Tim the Bard Dude is in Vesper, and checks the Vendor House there & notices the Undead Slayer Lute for 5k & purchases it. I am then notified that one of my items has been sold. I go to one of these new NPC Vendors & select "Collect Gold".

    Hope this helps explain things.
     
  24. tuuvaak

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    i made hundreds of thousands even millions of gold through WoW's AH. there was plenty of ways to 'script' it and autobuy items under a certain threshold all day long. trust me, it was even easier to control the market there and exploit poor players than it is here with our vendor system. we even had charts and graphs and essays and studies and all kinds of information about how to run the AH. whole communities sprang up that never left SW or orgrimmar. all they did was control the AH. you don't want everything in a neat little searchable package for the min/maxers. our current search options are decidedly limited in scope by comparison.

    you'll never find cheap crap again if we get an AH here.
    players like me will see to it =P

    at least now its still viable to spam chat to buy/sell and find little niche vendors in the wilderness at your own accord. those benefits will disappear completely if you introduce an AH.

    fair warning... introducing an all encompassing AH system is just going to widen the gap between the haves and have-nots.
     
  25. Kayne

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    I oppose this auction/indexing idea and I can assure you i never have enough gold for me much less to sell to others

    EDIT - as tuuvak just said above the AH on WoW was stupid. There was a whole add-on to sit and search the AH and give you the min/max prices of any item in game etc. So when you came to put it on the AH you already knew what you could get away with charging
     
  26. A Thought Elemental

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    Remember that what you're talking about can be done in UO today, except that it takes more footwork. Presently, the people who manipulate the market in UO have to use the gold sellers' web databases, and then personally go to each vendor to snatch the low priced items off. I have known people who do exactly this - - taking 120 scrolls from lower-priced shops outside of Luna and re-vendoring them inside Luna's gates.

    But at the core of this issue I agree with you - - IMO it would be for the best to cause such a search function to disallow an increase of the behavior you're describing. It is just an opinion though, and some people think differently. Some feel that a few mogul-like turds controlling the market is the positive result of a presumed "free market". In reality I think this is an unpleasent side effect of the economics of a designed (not real life) economy.

    Retaining the need to physically locate and visit the vendor in-game could be one way to help thwart this. There are other ways, though. Complete disallowing of script-type operations is actually NOT a fix, because you would get some retired person with literally all day to sit around and manipulate the market in a way which isn't in the overall game's best interest. You'd have to have some real, physical controls in place.
     
  27. Ned888

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    I'd like to see the current system changed and updated. Something that keeps the current flavor but is much more 'shopper friendly'.
     
  28. Salivern_Diago

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    I'm against anything that makes tokens and whatnot account bound. Its a bad idea and would stop alot of my game play. I cant afford to buy stuff from the gamestore so I buy it using gold in the game. I vote a no to that completely.

    I cant help but shake my head at people who try to make UO what its not. UO is the orginal, its still going becuase it was original. I may not agree with alot of the issues in the game post pub16 but I certainly would be agast at any effort to bring the mainstream shopping for dummies into UO. Most of the players whom have been playing for a few years are aware of the various scams/exploits etc that are used to gather as much gold as possible. yes 'those' search sites to cause alot of the cheaper items to be bought up quickly and sold for an extremely high profit. But then, people pay it! I often spam at luna or in general for the items I'm after and I never pay Luna prices. If its for sale at lune for 10m, then I wont pay more than 8m... and the thing is people sell at those prices are are happy with it. Simularly if I sell something then I also undercut Luna prices heavilly. Having an auction house thats anything like WoW's/Aions whatever is bad news and would bring more harm than good.

    Just look at the posts on thos thread, the majority dont like it so really that should show everyone what the state of play is.

    UO is unique, orginal and in my eyes one of the best MMORPG's out there. What it lacks currently is graphics, bug fixes and a major major advertising campaign. Not a rubbish general auction house, we have vendors for that and for that I'm happy with.
     
  29. WoW AH - no thanks !

    However, I would love to see something similar to the way vendors could be searched through Bazaar terminals in SWG.

    Only a limited number of items could be posted for instant sale and if you found the item you needed on a vendor, you had to travel to said vendor tp pick up the item.

    Nice system that still gave playervendor houses and playertowns alot of visits :)
     
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    Forum kooks like to pretend that "normal" people spend hours roaming the forest looking for random vendors everytime they want something, when in fact the exact opposite is the case.

    Vendor search exists. It's not some hypothetical thing. It exists, the vast majority of the playerbase uses it, and people are shopping Luna, not random vendor houses in the wilderness. That's why Luna gets away with charging so much more.

    So do you want a real vendor search that applies to everyone, or the current illegal one that only benefits certain super-rich people? You people who roam the woods with half a dozen runebooks and call that "shopping" need to realize you're the weird exception and representative of nothing.
     
  31. Cirno

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    I'd much rather see a trading system like in EVE :)
     
  32. tuuvaak

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    Yes, but as other players have stated it is imperfect. The site owners filter and manipulate results, have bugs in their systems that cause items to not show up, purposely omit many vendors from search results, etc.

    Plus, they only cover Luna, some of Makoto and whoever else submits their vendors manually. So really they're very incomplete and mostly just a price guide. Right now, if you need an item NOW and will pay whatever for it (like the 55 million gold blessed HOTMs on Atlantic Luna right now, LOL) you can use a search site to find it. Right now I can also pick up runes on the floor around the gate to random off-luna shops and find a HOTM blessed for 7m, like I did this morning. They sell almost instantly for 10-12m on Atlantic in Luna right now ie. seconds after the vendors get re-indexed.


    For this post I'm hypothetical Luna jerkass merchant xyz.

    Right now if I get lucky, I (as luna merchant xyz) can find some of the cheap hats around by shopping and resell for profit in luna as a gouging *******. You can find some too. If we have an official AH, I WILL have all the cheap hats and resell them for profit and you will not get any except from Doom or by bank/chat spamming (which my robots will also be doing most assuredly). Right now, you can find them before me by picking up the right runes. With a complete AH, assuming I am a dishonest ****** as virtually all opportunist merchants are in this game, I will be buying every single HOTM on the AH under a certain price as soon as it freakin' appears with some 3rd party program.

    See the difference?

    yes, there are search sites.
    no, they are not as damaging as a real AH would be.
     
  33. Ricsreturn

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    Not an Auction house like WOW

    But a vendor system like the mag bazaar vendors. Something more legit then these player ran auctions. This wouldn't destroy w/e community is left in UO but build a more secure trading and appeal to newer players.

    They are on the right track with the mag bazaar I love it. A safe auction system there would be the best thing that happened to the market.
     
  34. tuuvaak

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    am i the only one that thinks the mag bazaar kinda sucks ?
     
  35. iamSnippa

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    No to auction house... Mag. Bazaar did indeed bomb imo, I find that a bit sad.
     
  36. Zosimus

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    I would prefer UO had its own search engine that covered all of UO facets. Not controlled by sellers themselves but controlled by the devs.

    UO vendors have their own unique place in MMO's. Closest thing that comes to them is DaoC usage of vendor (AH kind of system) and NPC's in the house.
     
  37. Eric Ravenwind

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    Another reason this would be good to have:

    People keep putting my shop runes in the trash! WTF is that all about?
     
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    Gah I had hoped this topic was buried :(

    For some reason people like to grief in that way, really irritating.
     
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    one thing that does need upgrading is the max cost of items on a vendor.

    In game Inflation has made some items not able to put on a vendor without lowering its true cost.

    +100 million gold item seems rather common now a days.
     
  40. A Thought Elemental

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    This poster is pointing out one of the real problems with the present system.

    I've seen what he's talking about before. I agree with his protesting of the behavior and pointing to an in-game item indexing system as being one source of a solution.

    It works like this. People go into Luna and lay down runes to a non-luna vendor. Then, someone who presumably runs vendors in Luna goes around and removes all the runes he can find, often throwing them in the trash.

    I recall one server where someone made a character which was named in a fashion that was intended to mock/grief the people who had placed runes. This griefer would go and collect the runes anyone had laid down in Luna, sometimes making an appearance of following a victim around to do it.

    When approached, the griefer would either ignore the victims, or laugh at them. The griefed individual is helpless to do anything about the problem. Anything at all.

    The problem is in fact bad. It's yet another one of those many individual and seemingly small things which piles up in your mind, and in the end, it makes the whole thing look uncared for, and makes you wish for better.
     
  41. I agree with this. A shard search for an item you are looking for would be great. Heck even an in game mail system. So you can mail trades to other players, or items to your own toons.
     
  42. Eric Ravenwind

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    This ain't a bad idea either; at the least if this is all we could get.
     
  43. A Thought Elemental

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    In-game mail for UO is somewhat screwed by the fact that UO does not require unique character names per server :/

    It's not impossible to make happen.... but it is definitely awkward to make it work.
     
  44. Eric Ravenwind

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    Heck, I'd even be happy with a shard-wide vendor search function; where the shop keeper could have the choice of posting his/her vendor contents in the search program. I hope that it could provide a recall/sacred journey button so we could travel there.
     
  45. Sevin0oo0

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    Let's get their Customer Service (in/out of game) first
     
  46. all that...and when a new item hits the market, like the pigments for example they took like 2 days to show up on search ....to me this lets the owners of that site buy all those priced cheap for the sockpile they sell on their website and it also lets them set the going price for items, like say if its under 2 mill it will never be shown to the public anyway because they are buying anything cheaper......now i dunno what the going price is i just said 2 mil as an example....but i think thats something that ea needs to stop.
     
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    I use the illegal search sites and do not need this feature. I would prefer it be a feature in UO but the people against it have too much at stake to see it implemented. Or...
     
  48. Sevin0oo0

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    ditto, It could be done in-house, not a biggie if zones were added. and agreed, i think there's more to this picture than what's currently known. i wouldn't Dare suggest corruption or favoritism.
     
  49. Woodsman

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    It is odd how the most blatant of scripters have been ignored for so long. They were reported by name on Stratics earlier this year, they were reported to the devs.

    Nothing done.

    Very odd.

    I'm not meaning to imply anything either, I'm sure they were just too busy.

    Maybe somebody should send a twitter message to Skalski about them.
     
  50. Zluka

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    Lol they are often mentioned in general chat when people ask how to find that LRC suit or "a common item X".

    These sites get better and better and show more and more results every month. I guess they update their search bots and increase their number.