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Can we help bards yet?

Discussion in 'UHall' started by BardMal, Jan 13, 2009.

  1. BardMal

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    Do you think maybe we could have a code for tram provokers to save us from the effects of other players peaces?

    It's hard enough with archers two hit killing one side of our provokes before we can get our timer up to re provoke.

    But when I constantly have to deal with a crowd of aggros and reprovoke the same pairs as players lure more into the mess and someone thinks peacing will solve their invissing the kite....

    screw it, I'm going to go do something else.
     
  2. I agree.

    I also want discord to only work for me seeing as it's 240 points of my template invested in it.
     
  3. Pink Dragoness

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    I agree with you also.

    My bard is a provoker, 120 provoking and 120 music.
    Once I have something provoked together, there should be a system check to see if the peacer is high enough to over-ride my provoking. The peacing prevents me from getting credit in certain area's, and as a mage provoker, it is very hard to gain credits and damage. This is speaking on PvM side.
     
  4. jelinidas

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    or...a small percentage of everyones disco'd damage should be credited to said bard.
     
  5. Maggie

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    If you get a percentage of everyones damage from discording said monster then I want percentage from corpse skinning or cursing something.
     
  6. jelinidas

    jelinidas Guest

    Deal. Devs, make it happen.
     
  7. Warpig Inc

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    The funny thing is those few that ask you to leave with your discorder. They have no clue and think your getting something of theirs in the end.

    And ya I'm fed up with the area peacers. Just need to make the range of an area peace about the same area effect as a firehorn and targeted as such.

    On the provo there need to be a fix when a creature is provo paired ......... a pet or summon that was in combat don't wander off clueless.
     
  8. rockytriton

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    fine, I want a percentage of your kills whenever I cast str, bless, nightsight, etc. on you.
     
  9. Turdnugget

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    What about an area provoke/entice special for provokers?

    Give bards the ability to provoke, say a 7-8 tile radius, and all the creatures w/in that radius become enraged w/one another and attack each other? Make it difficulty based. So at like 120 music/provo you'd have a 100% chance to provoke all the slimes/rats within that radius. Ratment/wolves 85% to get all... etc etc...

    Say at higher levels there are 10 rat mages/hell hounds, at 120/120 you only succeeded to provoke 5 of those onto each other.

    Have it a mana based special, or not, and give it the same timer as provoke.

    I think that'd help make bards a lil' more useful at spawns.

    I agree that bards need love. An area provoke would be sweet.
     
  10. I'd be happy just to get a Disco gain, much less anything else....
     
  11. *Agrees*
     
  12. Xclio

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    I think the idea of giving the Discorder a percentage of the damage dealt is an awesome idea, I don't even have a Discoder simply because it is so difficult to train up but I think it toally fair that the discorder that makes my life soo much easier when fighting something should get a little bit of my damage to make it worthwhile for him to sit down there and keep discording for me.
     
  13. Tom_Builder

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    I would like to see some jewels with faster playing, so we can get the delay down some. Or better tie the delay in to dex, the more dex, the lower the delay. As it is now, the delay is to long.
     
  14. kinney42

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    discorder gets % of kills
    /signed
     
  15. ColterDC

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    The way it should work is if 2 creatures are provoked into fighting each other and then peaced, once the peace effect has worn off they should resume their fight.
     
  16. Gheed

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    I am all for anybody getting credit for anything they do that makes the fight a success. I dont know about corpse skin though. I have a pretty nice set of slayer weapons but one all phys damage. Corpse actually causes me to hit for less.
     
  17. Azmira Zalof

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    Consecrate weapon, much?
     
  18. Wenchkin

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    I don't want any percentage of the kills or anything if I disco and someone else kills something. I got a lot of gains discoing swoop while others killed him, and it's nice to help someone out without snatching a percentage of their loot. Just do some of the damage too, then you'd get loot.

    I do find peace bards a royal pain at times though. Area peace can lead to some deadly retargetting, especially if you didn't realise that person was a peace bard. I would say that if mobs are already voked by bard 1, the second bard area peacing shouldn't affect the fighting mobs, only those around them which aren't yet voked. Does that make sense? lol. In which case that peace bard would be useful, not causing a lot of mobs to suddenly jump someone. So 2 bards could form a team rather than play bard wars.

    Wenchy
     
  19. Laina

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    /signed

    Great ideas by Wenchkin and Colter...Peace should not work on already voked mobs or if it does, once its worn off, the voked pairs should go back to fighting each other.

    It is very frustrating to have someone come in and undo what you have spent time on working to control. I don't mind if someone helps with the kill - just don't undo all of my hard work.
     
  20. BardMal

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    Nicely put I think.

    I like to provoke, and I like to assist in large groups at spawns, taking things off of peoples' dragons when they are over run and in peril, turning away targeting critters from other players.

    A peace tamer makes my bard useless, specially on a boss.

    Maybe I should just go back to playing tamers, like I have virtually since pub 16, but I like my bard, and I like provoking.

    So I am kind of wondering, have we bards waited long enough to have our skill set honestly looked at and befitted/fixed?

    I don't want a peace nerf, a "sampire" change, or archer "balance".

    I want to play my bard without someone undoing my provokes.

    I would also like tamers not have to re command their dragons "all kill" after I provoke, it is interfering with increasing my friendships in the multi player community.

    I play to make friends and have fun, not to create friction because of broken game mechanics.

    I know the developers have a lot on their plate, but the provoke end of the bard spectrum has really taken it hard for quite awhile now, in both popularity and functionality.
     
  21. jelinidas

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    Some nice ideas here! Think any will actually happen?
     
  22. Warpig Inc

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    Covering some of those just out to add to your number of post. As soon as your nightsite/bless cost as much as my bandaid does to rez your deadass.

    Reading on and to be in realization the code it takes to do something........critters that have been effected by a bard effect. Their immunity to barding should go up. Peacing without a target should have a reduced skill level effect. So after that area peace/"All Kill" macro runs a few times even a monbat will agro your sorry dragon unless target peaced. And at a higher immunity now. And a failed peace should have the same agro fail that provo does. Give those min.skill area peacers something to think about on an area whiff.

    For my favorite way to over GM train..............Bedlam. Not visited much so you go there on your smoking hunter and kill off the spawn. Get it to respawn in the graveyard. Pull the lifebars of those that are the named undead. Now you can walk in and out of targeting range just like you trained at lower level at moonglow graveyard. But at Bedalm for those none mage/invis template bards you can just step out the door till all that barding wears off. Retune and hit those cords again.
     
  23. Snakeman

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    The time factor needs to seriously be cut, & not Dex Based or of the kind. Straight REAL skill based. There is too much relied on with Dex, Int & Str now. it's like Healing, you can be a p!$$ poor in the healing Skill but still be able to pull off 3sec sub heals on your self, where a 120 heal person because his Dex is high enough (@ 150) might be at 6 sec's (His dex being 100). Should be skill based, not Dex based on healing. Same on barding, Lower times the higher your Real Skill is.
     
  24. Warpig Inc

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    Ya there is a real timing issue when an archer can wax the two you provoed before you can provo two more. Wanna see some real dex hosing of the bard try using the fire horn. Worse is in the last week this new crap using the firehorn is overlapping with using a skill base action. Trying to use the firehorn you get a must wait to use another skill message.
     
  25. Tina Small

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    A solution that could be implemented very very quickly would be to educate the bards that use peacemaking as to what a mess they can make of things when they area peace (e.g., the retargetting). It very well could be that some of these folks just simply don't know what kind of grief they are causing their fellow players. They may be doing it with the best of intentions but are mostly clueless.

    Make it a topic of discussion at your guild meetings. Confront the blatant area peacers and TELL THEM what their "drive-by" peacing does. I guarantee you that the ones who have never been on their dexxer when someone nearby area peaced or who have never tried using provocation do NOT realize what they are doing.

    Perhaps Joanne could also address it in a FoF, since a lot of folks don't bother reading forum postings.

    I just hate to see another skill nerfed when the solution could be as simple as educating players to properly use the skills they've trained.
     
  26. Warpig Inc

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    Its more they don't care or use the saving my butt excuse. KISS would be to add the visual effect of the peace potion. Some effect to give others an ideal area peace has gone off. Only one person has heads up and time to react to the downfall of others. And while on the visual the discord effect should be an option like mining tools window thing. Nothing like the Archer "shoot me!" sparkles going on. I know the only time I use area peace is when someone is just being lazy and riding my wave without asking. I never area peace in a group. Its like sounding off to others that "Ya I brought a knife to a gun fight" skill. Common offenders are the peace tamers that refuse to get with the times. Unless your tamer works the zoo a lot, peace has as little place in a combat as lumberjacking does now. There is no longer a market for selling pets but the rare colored Cu. And those tamers ride the para-tame-invis method. And why between the three collection for rewards points is the zoo the worst. Hardest most time consuming for the crappiest rewards. Some ****** decided to reward board/ingot scripting with the library and museum, And then the dillweeds forgot where all the frost/valorite location where to bann the scripters. This same scripters later ruining the economy and doing even more dumbassed things in the game. Whats more effective in stopping speeders? More cops or road spikes activated when a vehicle reaches +10MPH. Some people just need to be made to pull their head from a dark place. This is coming from someone with a nonfactory 84 RS 5.0 Capri.

    Archer/Chiv/Tamer...........Disco/Tamer/Mage.............Weaver/Tamer/Mage