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Discussion in 'UHall' started by Manticore, Sep 2, 2012.

  1. Manticore

    Manticore Babbling Loonie
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    Does anyone know if the new slot machines at the casino on fire-island give items as jackpot prizes or gold?
     
  2. Promathia

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    Slot machine? Where?
     
  3. Lady Storm

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    Not sure Manticore I'll ask my son Yanaki2 he was there this morning checking it out. He might know.
    At the west side of the Fire Isl entry of Abyss. Promathia.
     
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  4. Manticore

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    I also noticed each shard is at different stages of the construction, while the slots are not set up yet on Atlantic they are set up on Napa. i wish they would bring in Texas Holdem tables where it seats 12 and the dealer is NPC and draws % from each bet and players can play against each other. May be build houses with multiple floors, low to high tables. I think I'd spend 5x the amount of time in game then lol.
     
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  5. Promathia

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    That would explain why I couldnt find it.
     
  6. sablestorm

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    I would love to see hold'em poker in UO!
     
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  7. Kylie Kinslayer

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    Umm NO!! :eek:

    I can barely keep a halfway decent balance due to my pixel addiction... I don't need another addiction to drain me wor... err ummm *thinks.. I could win* Yeah, bring it, it's only fairly easily obtainable gold after all ;)
     
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    +1
     
  9. Petra Fyde

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    To the best of my knowledge the games referred to in the books are EM run. The permanent, full time, content is the dice games, the cashiers and the drinks girls.

    I would be very wary of proper poker game gambling. I know someone went to a freeshard to pvp, got so hooked on the poker games he spent all his time farming gold and then losing it at the tables. pvp went right out the window.
     
  10. Nimuaq

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    They're not active or as Petra already said, will be used on EM events. I'm more interested in robbing the casino though and one thing is certain, when I can find ten more interested players, that check will be gone for good:

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    You would think they would have made the casino out of stone and not little tents... one slit on the side with a knife and that 1b check would be gone.
     
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    Im loving the casino, i just turned 100k into 10mill in like 30 minutes :D

    This is compleltly the opposite of a gold sink lol, gona give it a day see how many billions i can rack up

    Thunderz
     
  13. Nimuaq

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    Even when a game pays even (2:1), the odds are less than 50%, so it is technically a gold sink with a uniform rng. I suspect that if you keep playing, you will lose the gold you won, so take what you won and leave :).
     
  14. Sir_Bolo

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    Chances for the "Chuckles' Luck" dice game:

    0 dice guessed: 57.9%
    1 die guessed: 34.7%
    2 dice guessed: 6.9%
    3 dice guessed: 0.5%

    If you lose you get 0 chips back, while if you win you get back the chip you bet plus the number of dice guessed, so the average return for each chip is:

    0*57.9% + 2*34.7% + 3*6.9% + 4*0.5% = 92.1%

    In other words, if I did my math correctly for every 100 chips you have when you walk in, on average you can expect to walk out with 92 chips, losing 8 chips.
    So - assuming that the RNG is working properly - it's a mild gold sink, as expected for any casino game :)
     
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  15. Nimuaq

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    These are the odds we've calculated, so in the long run, it will only remove gold from the game.
     
  16. Thunderz

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    They might be your number crunching but theres is sure fire stratigies to gambling, this one has been around for nearly 200 years and its working fine for me (Martingale) ;)

    Thunderz
     
  17. Nails Warstein

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    No matter what features are added or not added to UO, its up to a player to decide how they want to play UO, some like to craft items, some like to PvM, dungeon crawl, go to events, PvP, some like to vendor their wares, make unique designs with their houses, and YES GOD DARNIT, some like to gamble (not me personally), some collect rare pixels (like me) and its up to the players to decide what they want to do. The more features UO adds to the game, the more reasons a person will choose to play. Lets stop this NANNY STATE mentality, and let people choose from themselves what they like to do in UO. There isn't any feature they can add to this game that will ruin this game. UO is a game that players make for themselves. Its the only medieval fantasy (second life) of its kind.
     
  18. Sir_Bolo

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    Now for Hi-Middle-Lo:

    - Betting on Hi or Lo, the chance to win is 105/216 ~ 48.6% and the payoff is 2:1, so the average return is 97.2% (on average, you lose ~3 chips if you walk in with 100)
    - Betting on Middle, the chance to win is 102/216 ~ 47.2% and the payoff is 2:1, so the average return is 94.4% (on average, you lose ~6 chips if you walk in with 100) (note that AFAICT the chances for Middle on uoguide are incorrect).
    - Betting on Outside, the chance to win is 36/216 ~ 16.7% and the payoff is 5:1, so the average return is 83.3% (on average, you lose ~17 chips if you walk in with 100)

    Again, the house wins on average (as always ;) )
     
  19. The Craftsman

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    Let me know if you need a grease man.
     
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  20. The Craftsman

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    Whats to be wary of? He gave up murder (with a virtual weapon) to take up gambling (with virtual gold). Seems like he just changed his pixel addiction thats all.
     
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  21. Nimuaq

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    Fixed, it seems I removed 2 odds for three of a kind two times.

    I know the void pool creatures can destroy those bars for good, so if I can convince Cora to give us one of her daemon mongbats, maybe disguise it as a gambler, it could disable the security. But she hasn't accepted my offer yet.
     
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  22. Martyna Zmuir

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    Nim,

    Unless they changed it, you can teleport into the Casino's bank behind the desk.

    If you want to stage a Fortune's Fire 11, count me in! :devil:
     
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  23. Phoenix_Mythic

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    I think your calculations are off. The correct values are here:

    The expected value on High / Low is 0.946.
    For Middle it's 0.895.
    For Outside it's 1.0.

    Yes, there is a betting option that has no house edge. It's also the betting option with the highest variance. :)

     
  24. Phoenix_Mythic

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    Oops, I messed up. The numbers I gave are not expected return but instead the odds ratio.

    For Hi / Low the odds are 105:111, for an expected value of 0.972, for middle the odds are 102:114 for an EV of 0.944. You are right about those.

    But Sir_Bolo's calculation of 83.3% for Outside is incorrect. Remember that when you win, you win back the chip you bet as well as the 5:1 payout, so the value I gave in my last post is actually correct.
     
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    Isn't expected value of net winnings determined as (Chance of Winning) * (Amount Won) + (Chance of Losing) * (Amount Lost)? If so, then aren't the expected values of net winnings the following:

    High: 105/216 * 1 + 111/216 * (-1) = -0.02778 (In the long run, expect to lose that many gold pieces for each gold piece wagered)
    Middle: 102/216 * 1 + 114/216 * (-1) = -0.05556
    Low: 105/216 * 1 + 111/216 * (-1) = -0.02778
    Outside: 36/216 * 5 + 180/216 * (-1) = 0 (In the long run, expect to break even)
     
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    gets my vote too..id soon get richer than richy rich
     
  27. Cetric

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    i logged on last night for the first real time in a little while. Checked out this new casino....

    promptly lost 20mil on the dice game FML.
     
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