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Casting 'Create Food' -- In Mani Yelm in PvP? Am I missing something here?

Discussion in 'UHall' started by ohmyGED, Jan 12, 2011.

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  1. ohmyGED

    ohmyGED Visitor

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    I noticed the other day that several dexxer templates were casting "Create Food" at random times. Does anyone know why?

    It seems to be an odd technique.....and i'm sure there is a logical explaination.
     
  2. Cloak&Dagger

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    Regain stamina if you run out of refresh pots? I know I would use it to regain stamina...Can't think of any other reasons.
     
  3. Risso

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    Its a faster disarm method for switching weapons.
     
  4. Cloak&Dagger

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    I guess this might be true in the classic client...been awhile since I used it.
     
  5. Lynk

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    Its the only fast way to switch to a different weapon if you use more than 2. If you use 2 you can just do equip last, but if you try to bring in a third you have to disarm, wait for the timer, rearm.

    Casting the spell disarms the wep and you can rearm right away.

    This is a feature the EC client does without needing to cast a spell. Kind of a patch-work workaround for CC users.
     
  6. ohmyGED

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    Faster than the "Switch Last Weapon" macro? (or whatever the macro is called)

    I guess I could understand that if you are disarming and want to rearm a different weapon than your primary or secondary weapon.
     
  7. [JD]

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    although the weapons switch instantly in the EC, there still seem to be delays relating to specials and dismounting from your horse. this thread has given me some ideas to test later.
     
  8. ohmyGED

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    I concur --- it's actually a feasible tactic now. I typically only used two "main" weapons because of the delay....I think I can now do some interesting combos by adding in a third weapon.....MWAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAA.

    THANKS!
     
  9. UltimatePower

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    There used to be a bug involving those spells, that would get rid of the double mana cost for chaining special moves. If i remember correctly.

    That was fixed long ago, but might be back.
     
  10. Lynk

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    The bug you speak of never existed, was just speculation from people who didn't understand why they saw players casting the spells in game.
     
  11. Cloak&Dagger

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    I see no delay with specials, in fact my specials stay lighted no matter what weapon macro I hit...and they perform as well. The dismounting of course, since equipping a weapon and dismounting are two separate actions they require a wait between them.
     
  12. Lefty

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    This is how I make weapon macro's in the EC.

    Create a Macro

    Equip Item "drop weapon in box"
    Delay .4 "dependent on connection"
    Drop in your Primary special move

    Make another Macro

    Equip Item "drop weapon in box"
    Delay .4 "dependent on connection"
    Drop in your secondary special move

    And make these for each weapon.

    The only time you will need a disarm key is when you switch from a one handed to two handed or vise versa.

    You will be able to arm your weps and special moves via one key, so you will be able to have every special move at a moments notice just like a mage macro's
     
  13. Restroom Cowboy

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    Create food works is not only a fast switch but also creates the opportunity for improved chance to hit on the next shot. It is not just a workaround but also a part of a larger bug within the system. Anyone that tells you otherwise is full of poop.
     
  14. Lynk

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    1.) You're full of poop, and your post is incorrect.

    2.) You have no way of proving that, and it doesn't make any sense.

    3.) If you were right, which you aren't, you're in violation of the Stratics ROC for telling people how to use a bug to get a better hit chance.
     
  15. ohmyGED

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    :thumbup:
     
  16. Restroom Cowboy

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    Actually it DOES work, but I am not going to go into the rest of the process because I WOULD be in violation of the RoC. However, seeing how you are such a stickler for the rules...go ahead and be a ******bag and report me.

    No way of proving it? Keep thinking you are aware of every bug in the game...
     
  17. Cadderly

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    Depends on your definition of bug I suppose. But what you said is only partially true in my opinion. I got into a heated discussion about this a few years ago. As you mentioned it allows you to switch weopons faster but it also disrupts the 3 second cool down timer between special abilities but in most cases the second it takes to cast create food, re-arm, and fire usally takes 3 seconds anyway

    The players that complained that creating food would allow somebody to fire 20+ armor ignores in a row I believe is a myth. They just had there ssi timing figured out and damn good suits.

    Play around some doing a special ability, using equip last weopon, then directly do another special ability. Then try using create food to disarm and see if you can do two specials in under 3 seconds with two different weopons and come to your own conclusions. Very difficult to do... but some players have figured it out.

    All a matter of having good timing with your specials imo.
     
  18. WarUltima

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    create food weapon arm never gotten rid of double mana cost for me.
    I use it to quickly switch between more than 2 weapons in CC.
    Also another advantages switching weapon this way and not relying on "equip last" in CC is in the event someone disarm you. In this case your other "weapon" would be unarmed until you rearm each weapon which will work fine until the next time you are disarmed.

    In EC create food weapon arm technique is obsolete.
     
  19. WarUltima

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    I can do more than 40 AIs on my sampire without casting anything :p

    I wish someone would have recorded it in video...

    Another possibility is if the player is in wraith form and his weapon has capped mana leech on. And each RNG roll on the mana leech he would leech close to max mana back every swing... which is mathematically possible.

    But again I've never seem it happen in PvP and I use create food arm technique all the time.
     
  20. chuckoatl

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    Create food does nothing but drop your weapon so you can arm one of your other 3. If anyone listens to cowboy (whom never plays dexxers) about how to play a dexxer you need smacked with a stick.

    It never lowered mana cost, the 3 second delay did that. and its not a bug (which he will say it is)
     
  21. Vaelix

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    I was always under the impression that dexxers were using this specifically to avoid that little delay when switching weapons.. To use the special on switched weapon.. (Not really to Arm/Disarm, more to Bug out the timer that is unavoidable in any other way [I believe])

    Aka there is a little delay before you can use a special when you equip a weapon, This spell allows you to "Bypass" that.

    {Which is why dexxers will be defending it}

    :dunce:
     
  22. G.v.P

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    One thing that hasnt been mentioned -- and would be painfully difficult -- would be to use create food to avoid a para attempt, lol. If you try to para someone who is already paralyzed by casting a spell you can't para them, but it's a pretty rare thing to encounter.

    Hey, I'd just like to see people out there trying it, that's all, lol.

    Curious though, why create food? Why not night sight, etc.? Same difference, no?
     
  23. chuckoatl

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    No annoying targeting cursor. Thats the only reason I use it.
     
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    Good point. Makes sense.
     
  25. Satana

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    I remember UOA doing this for you, not sure of the exact delay but I would sometimes get a message like - UoAssist attempting to complete the action for you - which was pretty handy since you wouldn't get the annoying must wait to perform another action message.

    Anyone know why this has stopped working in UoAssist?
     
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    Because it does not require you to target anything.
     
  28. Petra Fyde

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    Time to call a halt to this one.
     
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