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Castle Basements......

Discussion in 'UHall' started by jack flash uk, Sep 26, 2011.

  1. jack flash uk

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    Can I pls bring this subject up again?


    nice to have a basement where we can enjoy customising a 31x31 floor layout with walls etc, so we can enjoy the personal touch like custom home owners, but without impacting on the outside appearance

    just imagine..........

    PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE
     
  2. Martyna Zmuir

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    Yeah, because castle owners desperately need more space, right? :talktothehand:
     
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    a basement would make an awesome display area....yes i likey!!!
     
  4. Larisa

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    I don't think it's about needing more space.

    I for one LOVE to customize homes, I live for it.

    When I transferred all my stuff back to Origin last week, I had the option to either place an 18x18 or a castle.

    While I LOVE to customize, I know that in a short amount of time I will have too many things to fit into an 18x18 so I placed a castle.

    I do love decorating castles, I have owned several in the past, but I wish there was a way, without Goza's! To do a bit of customization to them.
    Basements, while very cool, would be too hard to implement in my opinion, and making the entire plot customizable would be a bad idea....I see no other option to make them even semi-customizable unless you were able to move the walls around and that's about it.

    Basements would be rather cool though :)
     
  5. Assia Penryn

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    I'd like to see them come up with some alternative floor designs and allow castle/keep owners switch between them. I could see a plantation, farm house with "land/fields", mansion, etc. Be nice to see some variety in some areas of the world where we have tons of keeps/castles pressed up against one another. No changes to storage size, no customizing, just new buildings for that size plot.
     
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    A basement would be really nice. Then again if there were a couple castle designs that might be nice too :)
     
  7. Mirt

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    Housing customization is one thing UO offers that nobody else does. While I understand lag could become an issue I think this is a wonderful idea and it would highlight the creativity that separates UO from other games.
     
  8. jack flash uk

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    Wilth a basement, everyone wins, no borg cubes or 4 storey horrors, but a place where castle, and keep owners can enjoy wall times a large place for raised flower beds for example, and not having to worry about the floor layout as it is now
     
  9. as long as all houses get basements.
     
  10. Bobar

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    I agree. Whilst I would love a basement in my castle as I have no end of stuff I cant display it would be unfair unless all home owners had the same option.
     
  11. Mirt

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    I don't own a castle, but saying they should not end up with the same level of usable space for their size just seems unfair. All other houses have more levels and since its so hard to get a castle they should get the same size and customization options as the rest of us.
     
  12. MalagAste

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    I still don't think Basements would be that "difficult" to code... grab a server... make a large black blank... Then SELL the basement option package... This would include a "teleporter" that would be like a floor tile resembling a hatch of some kind or just a hole... This would teleport you to your new basement plot.... Placed in the vast black nothing...

    Basement size would be dependent on the size of your plot. Castles would get a very large basement... which would be a customizable plot with pre-installed perimeter of "dungeon" walls.... What is within those walls is customizable. Each Basement would then have lockdowns based off of the corresponding house size... say roughly half what your home has. Increased of course if you have the increased storage expansions.

    Of course you wouldn't be able to place trees or things like that down there that would obviously not fit... No two story objects... But I think it would work fine for adding the ability to have a customizable plot... as well as added storage.

    Either base if off house size or allow EVERYONE who buys one to have a 32x32 customizable plot... would be neat if it came with new wall tiles and floors to use as well from the already available dungeon style walls... that are already in game... Perhaps even ones that come with chains... carvings and the like...
     
  13. Mirt

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    Sounds like you just came up with the next booster pack MalagAste. One that I would buy too if it was for every home who doesn't need another level.
     
  14. MalagAste

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    I could come up with a dozen or more booster packs... I've given idea's for at least 3 so far... This one and adding a new peerless/champ area to the Underworld are two of my favorites.

    Though the Underworld idea would take a LOT of work on the part of the DEV team... While this idea about basements wouldn't be that difficult.
     
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    Yes! I vote for basements
     
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    After all those years I still live in a 18x18. I just don't like to not be able to customize, and let's face it I plainly hate the current Castle layout.

    While a basement seems like a good idea, it woudln't solve the entire layout issue, and more importantly it would prolly be very hard to code. That is because the way the game is designed you can only have underground/basement on buildings that are on elevated terrain, even if sometimes you don't really see it because the entire area is elevated. If the house is already at ground level the space under it just does not exist in the game so you can't put anything there.

    Adding a 20x20 customizable plot or something with same number of lockdowns as a Castle seems more realistic.
     
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    Wouldn't a basement for a castle be called a dungeon? maybe I have played dnd to long lol
     
  18. Danpal

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    Basements would be nice. But if they are going to do that it would have to be for every house spot.

    Maybe have to have a miner and crafter to do it. The miner digs it up. The crafter builds the walls and surports.

    Just think of all the empty pits around if the place goes idoc
     
  19. slayer888

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    It will be nice to have more space on the castle.

    But then I have a castle that has 7500 storage and only have a trash barrel inside... Arr...

    complicated
     
  20. G.v.P

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    rofl

    I'd like a keep basement, I no haz castle :(
     
  21. G.v.P

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    but yeah, like Wizal the Fox said, the problem with basements is how do you do it...i'd think the easiest way to do it would be to create basement space on a separate sub-server, otherwise the terrain could be sorta funky in some places...and separate sub-server space wouldn't be aesthetically what people want
     
  22. Viper09

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    In a way, yes. The way castles seems designed, an 18x18 actually offers a lot more space for decorating. The castle is just spread out over a bigger area with small compact rooms/hallways.
     
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    Sure a basement would be good, or perhaps a customizable 31x31 plot.
     
  24. Roland Of Gilead

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    -i think its a cool idea but since only the insanely rich can afford a castle it seems like its just a reward for being super rich unless they give all houses a basement.its not like u cant get a customizable house if u want one but of course that doesnt show off your uber richness...i understand there not as much storage ofc in an 18x18 but if u want to customize go get one and maybe some poorer player can finally get that castle they always dreamed of.
     
  25. AzSel

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    Basement for all houseplots. And have entrance-strairs on the east side not just on the south. Yes yes!
     
  26. Viper09

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    Incorrect statements. Castle owners are not always insanely rich. A lot of them are just insanely lucky to get the spot. Be it through someone being incredibly generous (there was a recent post about someone just like that), through someone quitting, through a spot opening up through IDOCs, etc.

    A more accurate statement might be "only the rich can afford to buy placed castles at full market price."
    Although I think Luna spots are actually more expensive.
     
  27. Lady Michelle

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    Im not insanely rich I'm just insane. besides I have with the help of friends, have placed my castles, keeps, and helped friends place castles, and keeps by getting on their accounts to place them.
    See you dont have to be insanely rich to own a castle, you have to become a Idoc, house placer, and learn the ropes.
    Don't judge a person by their castle.
     
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    Just make castles and keeps customizable. BUT, you have to place it as a keep or castle FIRST, and then you can't have anything inside the courtyard in order to make it customizable. This way, people still have to get the mil or 500k to place a keep or castle first. Which isn't that big of a deal but when Origin first began, the land rush for castles was amazing since everyone began with 0 gold and no way but to go and get it themselves.
     
  29. Larisa

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    Surprisingly the want for Castles on Origin was huge when it first opened!

    Me? I got me a luna house :)

    Though it's funny when I transferred back to Origin from ATL I placed a castle, plenty of spots open here :)

    So it's true that you don't have to be rich to own one, just lucky or live on Origin!!!!!

    (Yes I'm shamelessly trying to get ppl back to Origin)

    And it's true Castle owners do not NEED more space, but some of us have a NEED to customize!!!!
     
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    Good grief...this topic gave me a good giggle once again. No. I prefer my UO without the side order of lag. :D
     
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    I would like this too. :)
     
  32. DevilsOwn

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    fully customizable castle plots would be a nightmare, imho... a few preset designs? hell yah..... here's mine.........

    first floor

    [​IMG]


    second floor

    [​IMG]


    top floor

    [​IMG]

    barely alters the outward appearance, the courtyard should be part of the house and lots more opportunities for deco.... and this design could benefit from another staircase or two

    looks larger, doesn't it? same footprint
     
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    The big problem with altering the floor plan of castles and keeps and including the courtyard or wasted space in keeps, is that many many would become improperly placed and if demolished could never be replaced.
     
  34. Larisa

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    Okay I want that....I WANT THAT!!!! ^^^^^^^^ UP THERE!

    I've been too lazy to come up with something of my own but THAT!^^^^

    Ohhhh pleasepleasepleaseplease if there is any way on God's green earth that this could happen PLEASE!!!!!

    I really like that design, can you tell? :)

    Very well done :)
     
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    Devil's Own for UO president ! :danceb:
     
  36. wanderer1origin

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    way game is going you should forward to new developer head he might bite!!!!!!!
    hint for him link it to twitter lol!!!!!!!!!
     
  37. MalagAste

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    DevilsOwn....

    I would love to have a castle like that... FAR more useful.

    But dreams are dreams...
     
  38. Larisa

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    QFT x 14!

    Seriously....give him a nudge about it...*Psst..hey Jeff..check this out..you know you wanna put this into the game*

    *whistles innocently*
     
  39. RawHeadRex

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    Heffeh ... what they said
     
  40. /false

    sure ... easy to see how things MIGHT fail ...
    I can stand on any corner and get 10,000 reasons to not do something ..

    :thumbsup: THAT design would be EASY to safely incorporate into the options list.

    check "new.footprint"
    IF case of improperly placement: msg unable to redesign
    /simple

    now ...
    if TS would be so kind as to show how a BASEMENT type area could look ... *grins*

    after all
    BASEMENT areas are at least ten years over due ...
    game evolution wise
    A CASTLE should be able to lap 30% INTO a mountainside
    We got gargoyles from the Stygian abyss fer crying out loud ...
    WHO needs a bat cave ???

    SURELY there is ONE OTHER ROCK that could be quarried to build castles from
    do we not have mallets? chisels? >sculpture<?
    NO "artisan" has figured out how to square a block of granite ?
    if so ...

    the race is terminally stupid and deserves to die off.

    can't stack two stones on top of another
    can't nail two boards together
    can't dig a hole in the ground/mountainside and cover it with a castle
    [​IMG]











    .
     
  41. DevilsOwn

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    thanks for all the kind words, I had a ball building that thing

    this wasn't the only design...... a few years ago Kurgan held a contest and there were lots of really great ideas... sadly it was all lost in the board crash, wish I'd thought to save the pictures of all of them

    maybe I'll dig out that HouseBuilder program and see what else comes to mind :)
     
  42. Merion

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    tl;dr

    but basements ... I wants them!
     
  43. Mirt

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    Devils Own your probably right about the lag and coding nightmare. But with your new preset design I don't think most people would mind. It looks much much better. Could you do a few more so we can all push them?
     
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    DevilsOwn, I´m gonna dream about that castle tonight heh.

    I definately would want my castle to look like that. The courtyard feels so more alive and open and useful (especially if plants and such could be locked down). And the castle areas themselves also feel bigger and more useful.

    Send the devs your design and "allow" them to use it. :D

    It looks great!
     
  45. Baghdaddy1

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    /Signed

    Could make this for all housing.
     
  46. yorky

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    Hate to bump an oldish post but did anyone actually twitter this and get a reply? or has there been any recent word from the devs or producer regarding either castle/keep basements or some kind of new castle/keep presets?

    I did read through all the recnt posts on this subject but couldnt see any 'official' reply.

    Considering the amount of new keeps (and a few castles) that have gone up in the last few days, maybe they might be worthy of some attention.
     
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    While I don't own one, I would really really really like to see a dozen or so decent preset designs for keep and castle owners to pick from if only because I think seeing three or four identical castles next to each other looks awful.
     
  48. Woodsman

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    Not the best topic, but not worth opening another thread.

    I wonder how many people would be willing to drop their house sizes (like 18x18 down to something quite a bit smaller) if they could retain the same item count or maybe not lose a floor.

    Looking at a bunch of the IDOCs I attended, and when I was scouting out IDOCs, I came across a lot of interesting spots that I would be tempted to move to, but the problem was that I would lose item count. I have a couple of houses, but they are not side-by-side. Some of the places I saw, I would love to move to, but I would be going down in item count or number of floors. It would be great because I could have two houses side-by-side, but at the same time I would lose a lot to move there.

    I know, I know, if I wanted to move bad enough I would make the necessary sacrifices.
     
  49. goldenpower

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    good idea.

    to further this, let any player without a castle have 2 houses. and castle owners can only have the castle and a basement. good compromise.
     
  50. yorky

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    As long as castles have thier storage double that of 1 18x18 :p

    But personally I would much rather have some preset castle layouts instead, with the drawback of having to replace the castle, this will make sure any courtyard obsticles dont mess anything up.