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Discussion in 'UHall' started by tiggertessa2007, Oct 5, 2011.

  1. question to the powers that be. are we ever going to be able to customize a castle? i mean its a ton of storage but no room, 4 tiny stone towers and some space in the middle. im personally getting sick of looking at gray all the time and id just like to know "before i go ahead and sell it" is there any chance at all that they will ever be able to be customized ?" or any chance that the court yard will be made a part of the house.
     
  2. AesSedai

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    - In case the powers that be do not have the ~power to reply:

    The answers have always been:
    ahem. While we would dearly love to pursue the possibility of doing such, unfortunately due to a lack of manpowers and so much on our proverbial plates we have to say: no and no; not at this time.
    And the courtyard portion has been answered, "no" as well because the code technically has it as not being a portion of your house/castle (hence trees and such in there that prevent castle placement).. at least not at this time.

    I find a common theme between manpower and the extended power of UO; it could assuredly be so much the greater but the former seems to be preventing the latter from happening.. ? - Without being endowed with deserved ~power I guess we all lose.. ~power; I supposit and wish uo were further empowered.
     
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    I cant find the actual quote but I believe the last time it was talked about the devs said it was too much work to code or not possible. A interesting idea another poster had was adding a semi-customizable basement.

    Ive wondered how hard it would be to add a few different blueprints for Castles. maybe add a style for each major facet (ilsh, tokuno, termur)
     
  4. i just dont think it could be all that hard for them to at the very least put an option on the sign that will let u change the color of the brick like you can a house foundation....
     
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    Seeings as it doesn't affect the masses im guessing it will never happen.
     
  6. AesSedai

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    - Trust me, I've heard the answer to such as this before. It is entirely possible. But due to the original clients "wombat" engine code, the answer has ever been akin to:
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    Yes UO fans, this is just one example of the restrictions that the original client's code undoubtedly causes to enforce UO to evolve with less ~power; I wish it weren't true.. but 'tis a oh-so-real happenstance.

    (by the by: I will always be a major fan of UO and its original code, codenamed wombat; but I aspire to go above and beyond and ever improve upon, just as RGarriott of Origin has seemingly done and just as I hope EA/Origin/Mythic/BioWare/whatever will do with our 14 yo UO. I will always look up to spaceboys, and hope that I will one day join them)
     
  7. Castles are gigantic land hogs that deny other players housing space.

    If you want to customize, downgrade. If you want to keep your landspace-leviathan and the extra space, you don't get to customize. Seems fair to me.
     
  8. claudia-fjp

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    Yes, denying other players housing space... because you know Sonoma and UO in general is so crowded these days...

    A better gripe would be that they should fix housing before they add anything new.
     
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    Not sure how long back but there was talk of House Paint. I do agree that the Castle and Keep are not everyones cup of tea..

    Keeps do waste alot of usable house space and were poorly designed, I mean come on the inner side walls have been known to trap spawns. Some have even gone to the great effort to get a rune for inside these areas in dangerous places and placed a mouse hole to get in!

    Castles do have more room then the ill devised keep and well.... could use a revamp or better yet give back the inner countyard for recall of the house owner. I for one wouldnt mind to change the stone color to perhaps sandstone or marble.. in different hues for each would be great to customize them with out going into a great deal of remaking the code.

    For that matter towers could use a little love as well, idk about you all but that downstairs wall could go away for a bigger room. Stone color here too would open up a great deal of diversity for players.

    I remember the imagination I for one had when they first started talking customizing ... my mind went wild on how I'd lvoe to remove walls here and switch stairs direction there, teleporter to this floor ... only to be dashed. Well we got tps... but its not the same dream.

    House customization dont need to be vast but stone shades and perhaps a addition menu for small changes would go along way.
     
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    Years and years and years ago, one of the more "shoot from the lip" team members back then let slip what I've always thought to be the real reason they wouldn't do something like this: It was, he stated, a mistake to ever allow player housing that large, and they weren't gonna do much of anything to make it a more attractive option. (I forget if this was in a post or in a House of Commons chat or something.)

    -Galen's player
     
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    Hail Folks,

    From the first moment I knew Castles existed, 14 years ago now, I purposed to one day Own one. Over the years, I have had several come into my Ownership, and I have Gifted several to Friends. Tho I enjoy many types of Housing and have Owned most types at one time or another, Castles remain my Housing of Choice.

    No one style of Housing is the 1st Choice of everyone. The "Powers that Be" have recognized this and provided us with a great wealth of Choices, to meet almost every reasonable Choice.

    While I do favor allowing Castle Owners use of their courtyards, as they once had, especially I favor restoring their ability to recall, Gate, or Sacred Journey into their courtyards.

    I do not favor however, allowing hue or structural changes to Castles. They are a Legacy of our earliest days and a Classic example and reminder of our early Greatness. House Teleporter Tiles allow Owners to magically move about their Castles as speedily and efficiently as they wish.

    Let us Preserve our Castles! We have lost far to many of them already. I for one mourn the loss of each and every one that ever Falls.

    Lord Elladan Faeryn of Trinsic / Baja
     
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    I think at the very least they should give folks the option of a few of the designs. I do not own a castle (I am not that rich) but it would be nice to see some variety. They are also horribly designed as they stand now so an update or redesign would be nice.
     
  13. longshanks

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    Some had voiced concerns in the past that being able to customize the space of a castle would result in a land of borg cubes.

    I dont see storage being an issue really. you can stack chests. at least for me who doesnt really save much space is not an issue.

    The only issue I had was entry but given the introduction of house teleporters and doing the ladder trick on the front steps these issues were
    easily solvable.
     
  14. Ned888

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    I fully agree with this Dev! It's a waste of space and they look like crud, cluttering up the open spaces and packed in as tight as possible.

    There are lots of places that you walk through and you can't even see the ground, because you are stuck walking between these massive player houses.
     
  15. Mirt

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    If there were some options or customization they could end up looking a lot nicer. That in and of itself is a good reason to allow it.
     
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    When Custom Houses first came to UO it was asked if Castles and Keeps could be customized and I am not sure which Dev (I think it was Wilki or Mr Tact or Draconi, not sure) said it but the answer was no they can not be. This was back when the Devs were more open to talking about what could and could not be none. It has nothing to do with the client you use, all a client does is to allow you to talk to the main system program. It is the main system program looks at and stores housing information. The max housing plot size is hard coded in the main system program is an 18x18.

    There are 5 Clasic House that can not be customized.

    Two story wood & plaster* 14×14 and Two story stone & plaster* 14×14
    These are refered to as L-Shape houses. These require 2 system housing plots to draw. Even though they say 14 x 14 it is not a true 14 x 14 plot because of its shape.

    Tower* 16×14
    These take 3 system housing plots to draw because of the wings that extend out from the base plot. The base is 16 x 14 but when you add the wings it over laps an 18 x 18 plot.

    Small stone keep* 24×24 and Castle* 31×31
    These both require 4 system housing plots.

    Because all of these houses take up more than 1 system housing plot they had to be drawn so the walls line up and there are no gaps.

    The only way to change these would be to redraw them and link them back together. A dev would have to do this and the most we could get is a few different styles but they will never be able to be customized by the player base. Yes I would love to be able to use all of the inside space of a Castle and a Keep but I do not see the Devs spending the time to redraw these at this time or any time in the furture.
     
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    Well to address the ownership of Castles by players, yes once a Dev team member in a chat did comment that in his opinion that castles should never have been meant to be owned by a player is a myth. Lord British himself said Castles were meant to be gathering spots for guilds.
    With that said....
    Who the hell do you think would own the bloody thing???
    The Gm of the guild of course! That is a "PLAYER".
    Castles and Keeps need some love and a stone shade change wouldnt hurt the exsistance of one.
    Now I can see that where a classic would be harmed if someone changed its stonework but if this was limited to new placements ... I for one aprove of it. Now I do know for a fact the inner doors can be removed .. seen a GM do it at one of mine due to an issue with a missing pack that the door hid form view and was unable to be grabed.

    I do agree that the inner courtyard should belong to the home. As that being said it should be a recall mark zone as it was before. I am sick and tired of all the changes made to apease PVP/pk'ers that it effected this right.
    As for a customizeable Keep or Castle layout taking up too much time to code in??** Jeeze the basic shape is just a plot gentilmen with 4 sides. Another thing I'd like to see is the optional entry change to the East side available also. On customized homes this would be more adventagious for many. (sorry no spell checker)

    ** after seeing your post Frodo I must agree with your assement as I remembered something a GM had said in passing once in that reguard. The Dev member did say they didnt see anything larger then a 18x18. Yes i do understand your whole statements there and I must agree we are stuck with shapes as they are. But stone work might just fall under a different catagory, and be able to change the type used.
     
  18. Ludes

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    I've always wanted one but but alas, never did get one.

    Even non-customizable and ugly I'd snatch one up quick if I ever could.
     
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    Well if it's true that castles and keep take more than one system to place and that makes customizing impossible, The should draw up a few more designs that will fit in a 31x31 spot. Something with a court yard in front where you can place your own hedges the way you want and use goza squares as paths. Or a design with several small shops to make it look like a village where you could do your crafting. Or atleast make the courtyard a mote with allagators and a draw bridge. Really who designed this castle? No great hall where the king would sit. And if they were meant for guilds it would have to be a small guild unless you want you meetings on the roof. No one is going to drop a castle to place an 18x18 so we are stuck with the castles we got. Castles, Keeps, Towers and L-shapes need some love. It would be great if the Developers would create a few designs for each that are different and still not customizable. :thumbup: Go dev team!!! :thumbup1:
     
  20. Ahuaeyjnkxs

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    I think the castles are ugly... when they came out I tought it was a pre-design that would IMMEDIATELY be improved upon...
     
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    We don't know. Developers in the past have stated in varying degrees "no" to both your questions. But you never know, as producers come and go, how the winds will change. Maybe some day we'll be able to customize them. We can hope anyway :)
     
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    Many people seem oblivious to the fact you can't just convert castles into 31 x 31 custom plots or keeps into 24 x 24 custom plots. The reason is a huge number of of the keep and castle spots aren't continuously that size. The only reason many of them fit in their spots is due to the courtyard or void area on the first floor in keeps. These allow placement over blocking items like trees and hills that would otherwise prevent even 18 x 18s. In order to convert these to custom house plots they would have redo the world map removing trees and leveling out the terrain. They don't have the manpower to go around deleting the reported ownerless houses they asked for let alone to go over the world map with a fine toothed comb.
     
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    It is not as hard now as when the devs said it couldnt be done. We can reserve the land for replacing a different type now. It should be possible for them to give us new castle and keep types don't you think?
     
  24. umm yeah because housing spots on uo are so scarce?? on just about any shard with the exception of Atlantic "its booming like its 1998" you can find spots to place 18x18's , keeps and on some of the ghost shards castles. ive been at 2 castle idocs "before my beloved house decay was turned off" and after they fell no one even wanted to place at them. and older players do like our castles, its what we all aspired to obtain way back when uo started.

    If there is absoutly no way that we can custom them then here's another idea, make us a housing NpC that will offer us all the floor tiles and water tiles of the custom menu. we could have grass tiles, dirt tiles, cobblestone, even the water tiles and waterfall. you could leave these common npc tiles unanimated that way if u ever want the special animated ones to come from a boss or something they can. after 13 1/2 years of playing uo on and off i simply cannot give up the storage "plus my alter ego is a hoarder" Dev's just give us something to perty them up a bit please!
     
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    It's as easy for them to edit the map files for the next patch... by walking live and taking ONE employee one day to remove the things blocking the plots, just like they did for magincia.

    This is no sorcerer's trick... in fact I JAW DROP at the quantity of people eager to do EA's job in its place and justify for us THE OH SO TERRIBLE NIGHTMARE of working on UO...

    :gee:
     
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    I have to agree here too.

    I have seen the Dev remove trees bumps in the land and add land to just about all over the map in UO. So that dont wash about trees and such beign a reason to not do so. I mean they have it so now you can place over rocks, mushrooms, all sorts of junk so how can a few trees not be too hard to clear for a few more?

    Knowing them they will start a new service of removing a tree for you for 20$ a Boulder cost you 5.99, .......
    J/K
     
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    Maybe it's time to start working on the Devs to create Instanced Housing. They basically you purchase a house and go to the coordinates and activate your whatever (door/stone/key) and it takes you inside your little instance which is the size of whatever kind of house you bought. That way EVERYONE could have a castle! Everyone would be happy (excepting thieves who break into houses) and the landscape would not be cluttered with all these massive space hogs.

    Just a thought....

    P.S. - I know it would ruin house customization, unless the instance was basically a grassy piece of land with adequate dimensions for your purchased home. That way you could still customize your house and 'yard' with your stuff.

    P.P.S. - It might also free up some pixels and make the EC less laggy due to it not having to load up all the player houses you walk past.
     
  28. I was wondering about this the other day, but how many current castle owners would demolish thier castles for a 24x24 customizeable plot with the same storage of a castle? Same can go with keeps but 20x20 customizeable plot with the same storage as a keep.
     
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    Uhhh, if you dont like the look of a Castle(a house style that has been around since day one I believe)then dont buy or place one. Its extremely simple.

    Every house in the game has its pros and cons. Deal with it.

    IMO anyone around long enough or wealthy enough to own a Castle should understand this.

    Every single person I ever knew that owned a Castle said they owned it because it was always a symbol of the ultimate lifestyle/house.
    Nobody ever said to me that they have played many years just so they could get a Castle in the hopes that it would then change. Makes no sense.
     
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    IMO this post is another example of the need for a new forum.

    The "Devs give me" forum.

    It would be the perfect forum for players to communicate to the Devs their own personal needs & wants.

    It would kinda be the anti "if something aint broke dont fix it" forum.

    Another example would be that the new forum would be similar to the game show Jeopardy. Except in our new version you could say "ill take things that only I know for 200 please Alex"

    :)
     
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    Considering all the things that have been added a few more castle and keep options would be easy and a nice addition to help break up the cookie cutter landscape of large houses. I would also bring these back as meeting places maybe which would be nice. Besides after 14 years it would be nice to have more then just one option at these levels.
     
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    Some say that castle owners should be happy. Well I have one and it tooks me years to get my first one and I always said it was the ultimate rare. When I placed it I was very happy and am still happy but now what? We are all looking for someting bigger and better so its only natural for a castle owner to look to upgrade somehow. So how about it Devs? Its time for some changes. And how about some updates in the herald. Its been a week now.
     
  33. We need to allow castle in Malas and all other land masses in shards with a population below XXX number
     
  34. Ahuaeyjnkxs

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    The situation is worse than I tought... this is the kind of situation that deserves a permanent crazy glue assisted facepalm...

    wow...

    where to start ?

    Goldberg.... how can you forget so many things ?

    The forum exists... people want to improve on a castle because its the logical continuity of house customisation...

    If you enjoy customising a house, imagine what you can do with a castle (and I've seen very nice castles on custom plots, but this big could be magnifiscient, imagine what you can do with the courtyards.. wow

    open your mind !
     
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    I agree. Even if they gave us 2 floors of 31x31 and nothing else we could make our own walls using rubble or paintiing or hedges. Let us free our minds by giving us the space we fought and bought and waited years to obtain.
     
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    Castles are ugly and there is really no reason to have something that big for player housing.

    edit: that said, while they should NEVER be able to be fully customized, they should at least allow you to make the walls something different (is marble instead of gray stone). But as far as changing the actual design... no, never.

    If you want an ugly 31x31, thats your tradeoff. And for those bemoaning 'but there is space!' there really isnt if everyone would have one of these eyesores.
     
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    lemme get this straight...

    you think they are eyesores, but you don't want people to customize them ?

    you realise there is too much space on most servers as it is, and you think people should not be allowed to roleplay a "lord" and own a castle ?

    You sure are an opinionated fellow... and think much importance of yourself...

    Please add something consctructive instead of just saying noone is "worthy" of making your eyes sore...

    wow... :mf_prop:
     
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    Very few shards are "full" to the extent of not having room in the newer parts of the realm to place a castle or keep. In addition some shards even have room in tram and fel.
    That said, now lets get to the meat of this.
    Castle owners from day one have used the buildings for what they were intended for. Which was guilds main hq's. Not all but a vast majority have served over the years as such. With our population so low on many shards, the Castle has become a mecca for home owners who want to have the storage and space to let their inner muse go wild in decoing it.
    I feel just a simple change of stone type shading would go long in making them more personal.
    Its not just storage these days. Stone in the real world comes in many shades and types. Marble alone comes in shades from pink, grey, white to a lusterous black, Granet too has simular shades and a different texture. Sandstone in many shades of red, brown and white.
    If all else was omitted and just hte stone of the castle was able to be changed this would go along way to establish a idenity to these homes.
    Now as for the small home owner..house paint! hehe Yes i would like to see all house's have the same lockdowns no matter what size they are. Many dont want a castle.. a 7 x 7 is good enough.. but so little storage count that it sux and htey have to go for that big place. If it was up to me all houses would have same storage cap. (beleave you me you can stuff alot in a 7x7 and not look cluttered! ah the memorys of early days comes to mind)
     
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    You just dont get it bud.

    Are you reading what people are whining about? I am.

    People in this thread that already own Castles are whining that they dont want them now? Why did they obtain them in the first place?

    From what I am reading nobody whining here actually wants a customizable Castle.
    They just want a gigantic customizable 31 x 31 plot. Thats just silly.

    You knew what it was when you bought it. Deal with it or move.

    The amount of housing space available on any specific server has nothing to do with customization btw.

    When you started playing Uo years ago did you say "My ultimate goal is to some day own a gigantic 31 x 31 customizable plot" No.
    You said that one day "I want to own a Castle"
     
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    Umm, i posted in this thread and own a castle and that's NOT what i'm saying..don't assume so much
     
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    Why does he think he's the brigadier and needs to press people to move on and not discuss, because a big plot is silly ? :mylittlepony:

    I never wanted a castle either... I just think its a good idea, and this forum is about discussing ideas.

    In fact I think its such a good idea, that they should drop everything and focus on that instead of trying to *censored*

    *censored*

    .
     
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    What did you say? Didnt you make a claim that it should be easier now for the devs to give you new castles and keeps?

    Where does this knowledge come from? You have personal knowledge of Uo house coding?

    Because in your words land can be reserved, anything can now be done?

    You want new Castle & Keep types?
    I want new small stone tower types. And I also want new large marble types. And new small stone & plaster house types. And new L-shape house types. I realize that all the new types that I want are currently able to be customized but I want them pre-made by the devs(same as the new castle & keep types that you want)

    So I think the devs should put everything else on hold right now and start working on these for ME. Because its all about Me.
     
  43. Ahuaeyjnkxs

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    You have just gained a dot in honesty !

    :popcorn:
     
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    Look now who has inside knowledge on what the Dev's are doing and not doing. Again get over yourself. Look who wants it to be about ME when other people want something it looks like YOU are the one that is complaining.
     
  45. claudia-fjp

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    Changing the world map is easy yes. However Magincia is a small area and they knew where the spots were going to be. Finding every possible spot a keep or castle can be placed currently that would require a tree or hill to be deleted to make a continuous plot is not so simple. It's not like they know where the spots are. They'd have to check underneath every keep and every castle courtyard on every server since houses aren't located in the same spots on each one. That would just be the tiles inside the houses they'd have to find and change. It doesn't even take into account the indented sides on keeps if they wanted to make the plots square.
     
  46. Lady Storm

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    Well to be honest all they would need to do is walk one shard that is low population and see the huge gaps where keeps and castles could go and do a layover map of items to fix, in the next publish, to fix these would apply to all shards at once. Sooo its not that big a deal. Its the time.

    For one I own alot of castles and keeps and to be quite honest many wouldnt be allowed because of trees and other items if it were a flat 31x31 plot. So I do understand about the use of the inner courtyard and the hidden areas of keeps being hell to write for.

    But as my son pointed out yesterday, the Dev of the past have over the years have tried to cut out the keep and castle owner in the new lands. But right now if you go to any shard outside the major ones and you will find so much room open that you could drive a double wide castle through! Lets face it unless you see a massive drove of new players comming to UO any time soon. Its wasted space that some person could have a home of their dreams. AND while we are at it why not let them change the style of the castle look. Clothes make the man/woman so why not his or her home. Stone color is not asking much.
     
  47. Goldberg-Chessy

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    That funny.

    You pasted someone elses quote into mine. I do not own 4 Castles and I have never once in this thread tried to say that I know how to do the Devs job.

    Nice job completely missing the "ME" sarcasm btw. I am sure that everyone else over 8 years old that read my post got the sarcasm though so its all good.
     
  48. Ahuaeyjnkxs

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    Yup... we all understood what a hateful person you are. :next:

     
  49. Goldberg-Chessy

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    Is that supposed to be an insult?

    In your tiny little mind anyone that uses sarcasm is hateful?

    Wow.

    And here I thought that in this very thread you said something like this:

    "The forum exists... people want to improve on a castle because its the logical continuity of house customisation"

    The forum does indeed exist but apparaently for you it only exists for people that agree with your point of view. Thats an odd type of forum.

    You have issues with people stating a negative opinion?

    Maybe you should also look up and post the definition of the word forum.

    *shakes head*
     
  50. Ahuaeyjnkxs

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    Ok point me out to your negative argument...

    I'm still waiting...

    Oh you said it wasn't worth discussing at all... that we should MOVE ON.

    :mf_prop:

    hahahahaha

    bring them to meeeeeeee :arr: