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Characters under 480 total skill points immune to faction statloss?

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Radun, Feb 4, 2009.


Should characters with 480 or less total skillpoints be immune to faction statloss?

  1. Yes! It would improve the pvp experience for everyone.

    3 vote(s)
  2. No, although it would improve the pvp experience.

    2 vote(s)
  3. Yes, but it would not improve the pvp experience at all for anyone.

    0 vote(s)
  4. No! It would not improve pvp at all!

    36 vote(s)
  5. I would benefit more than others, so 'No thanks'.

    0 vote(s)
  6. Others would benefit more than me, so 'NOPE!'

    0 vote(s)
  7. 'Yes!' (for any other reason)

    0 vote(s)
  8. None of the above or undecided.

    4 vote(s)

    5 vote(s)
  1. Radun

    Radun Guest

    How bout it:spider:
  2. Viper09

    Viper09 Grand Poobah
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    May 16, 2008
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    Why would players join factions with so low skill points anyways?
  3. Radun

    Radun Guest

    so people can make a character with the same amount of skillpoints as you'd have in statloss, avoid losing any skillpoints for death by faction enemy... not have to sit for 20 minute cuz you died, while still being at the same % skillpoint handicap that you would actually have from statloss, even if you don't die to any enemy...:spider:
  4. kelmo

    kelmo Old and in the way
    Professional Stratics Veteran Alumni Dread Lord

    May 12, 2008
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    *shakes head*
  5. Coyt

    Coyt Guest

    why not make a full skill char and suicide before you start fight then?
  6. Lost-Soul

    Lost-Soul Guest

    Trying to make it so faction thiefs can just try and steal sigils over and over again without any penalty for stat? Oh wait. . . there is no point in defending sigils right now anyways.
  7. Viper09

    Viper09 Grand Poobah
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    May 16, 2008
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    Well, since factions are not the only way to PvP, I'll say no.
    Players with only 480 or less skill points would likely be slaughtered by the others anyways.
    No way this would improve PvP
  8. Flutter

    Flutter Always Present
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    May 12, 2004
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  9. Radun

    Radun Guest

    I disagree, seeing as I (and many others) can get kills with a mage/tamer 1vs1 without using any pets.
  10. Radun

    Radun Guest

    they can already do that by having 120 stealing, or by using skill items.
    actually, it's just exactly what it looks like. if they made this change, i would make a 480 skillpoint pure mage to use when/if my mains are in put into stat.:spider:
  11. Radun

    Radun Guest

    because then you would be dead and in statloss before you even got to the fight... this way you could have a few 120s that don't get lowered when you die, you have the same % of handicap as you would have in statloss even if you dont go into statloss, but you still have your few 120s even if you die to an enemy, which is better than having 120s that turn to 80s when you go in statloss.... but not as good as having 6 120s without being in statloss.

    I'm sure that I'm not the only one who would make a 480 skillpoint pure mage, if this change were put into the live game.

    to sum it up... the 480skillpoint char isn't as good as a full 720skillpoint char, but it's better than getting statloss.
    480skill char that's immune to statloss > a 720skill char in statloss
  12. Ailish

    Ailish Lore Master
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    May 13, 2008
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    You forgot the option for "No, its just not a good idea". A 480 skill mage is NOT at the same disatvantage as someone in stat - not even close. Someone in stat loss is lacking most or all damage bonuses, significant DCI and HCI, ability to cast higher circle spells, so on. A 480 skill mage's only disatvantage is not having extra skills like Necro, Parry, Wrestle, etc - actually, you could even HAVE one of the above on 480 skills .. so no, its just a bad idea.

    FWIW, I would make a char with 120 Weapon skill, 120 Tacts, 120 Anat, 120 Healing. All the rest on a dexer is just gravy anyway ... pots, petals, boxes and one hard hitting weapon, plus faction bandies and I would probably stomp your pure mage.
  13. Radun

    Radun Guest


    I didn't say it was the same disadvantage, and I was very clear that it's a different disadvantage. How does that make it a bad idea then if the idea wasn't 'to give them the same disadvantage'?
    Even if your answer is "No, it's just a bad idea.", even then your answer falls into one of the options given.

    p.s. there's a pretty fair chance that either of us could win that fight... and both of those characters would be at a disadvantage vs full characters... it's a trade off basically, you take a lesser disadvantage ALL the time, regardless if you win or die, as a trade up from having a bigger disadvantage only some of the time.
  14. Let's see...
    120 archery
    120 tactics
    120 anatomy
    120 healing

    120 magery
    120 Eval
    120 Med
    120 resist

    Never go into stat loss

    Is that what you are looking for?
  15. Lady Arwen

    Lady Arwen Lore Keeper
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    Aug 7, 2008
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    Yea, if you dont have very high skills you shouldnt be in a faction.. :spider:
  16. Radun

    Radun Guest

    Neither one is exactly what I would use, no.
    Were you trying to make some kind of point?
  17. Radun

    Radun Guest

    unless this change went in, then there would be a lot of them.
    480skill char that's immune to statloss > a 720skill char in statloss:spider:
  18. WarUltima

    WarUltima Babbling Loonie
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    Mar 3, 2004
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    Anyways I dont know what the OP is trying to accomplish here. It's like playing WoW and making a level 19 or 29 twink......

    Maybe the OP is trying to make same kind of non-combat character that will be spending a LOT of time in Fel (most likely collecting something) and wants to be able to continue what hes doing even if caught my an enemy. The reason for joining faction is probably because faction artifacts.

    But thats just a guess... lol.

    If the OP hates stat loss that much dont join faction so you are immune to any sort of skillloss.

    There's really no reason to put an incomplete character in faction outside of getting leet gears.
  19. Radun

    Radun Guest

    Well, guess again... I don't even have a resource gathering char...

    It's not about me hating statloss, I don't mind statloss.. it's just an idea to add to the fun of pvp.
    they're not 'incomplete' characters if your goal is to make a complete character of 480skillpoint total.

    With the better pvp gear from factions too, a character using 480skillpoint total actually still would have a pretty fair chance vs most of the nonfaction players, on at least my shard.
    yes instead of a nonfaction character.
  20. Radun

    Radun Guest

    Actually no, it's not anything like that..

    (response delayed due to the need for research time)
  21. Mistura

    Mistura Lore Keeper
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    May 29, 2008
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    I can see what your saying and I certainly don't think this is an underhanded way to capitalize on the faction system like some people have inferred.

    However, faction statloss was designed to add some sort of finality to a kill (as far as I have been led to beleive) meaning that when your faction character dies, your out of the battle for a set time.

    This is supposed to allow for battles to come to an end when one faction has been wiped out and all in stat.

    The recent changes to factions have watered this down somewhat, as players can now have several characters in faction and come back out on other toons they have in the same faction.

    Your suggestion would mean that no faction battle could really ever come to a conclusion because once someones main characters are dead, they just hop onto their 480 skill pure mage/warrior and no matter how many times they die, they just keep coming back.

    This defeats the purpose of stat loss and in my eyes would be a bad idea.
  22. Gwendar-SP

    Gwendar-SP Guest

    non vets shouldn't even be in faction
  23. Radun

    Radun Guest

    why not? what harm does it cause? what is your proposal for keeping them out? implement a skill limit 'must have 700 skill points to join faction'?

    @ mistura, it wouldn't be a bad thing. remember that a 480skillpoint character is much easier to kill than a 720 skillpoint character. they can die 30x and keep coming back, but they're still not going to have the upper hand against the 720ers.
    What's so great about 'battles coming to an end' anyways?
    people enjoy sitting on their hands and having nothing to do while they wait for the sigil timer?