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Cheat program functionality added to the clients?

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Lord Chaos, Apr 27, 2010.

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  1. Lord Chaos

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    So if Mythic added the functionality of some cheat programs and scripts into the client so they were legal to use, would you be against this or ok with this?
     
  2. Dermott of LS

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    Define "the functionality of some cheat programs and scripts" first.
     
  3. Invalid

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    Personally, I'd like to see the following.

    Auto Open Corpse.
    Auto Open Doors.
    Block Self Dismount.
    Resize CC Game Window.
     
  4. Mapper

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    Agreed, Alot of scripts perform a whole list of actions at once included waking, clicking in certain places etc which obviously can't be added as a function as it's far more than a 'function'. A little more detail about what you mean would be great.
     
  5. Dermott of LS

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    I bring up the necessity of defining what he means because obviously, we wouldn't want any "functionality" that allows people to dupe, speedhack, etc.

    However, when it comes to scripts, I know that the EC is already VERY powerful in what a player can do. Even my Dig x3 -> Smelt All Ore Types macro/script using the EC is only scratching the surface of what the client can already do.

    So it'd obviously be helpful to get an idea of what the OP means by the question.
     
  6. BeefSupreme

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    I'd be for an auto loot corpse mod.
     
  7. Stupid Miner

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    There's a lot that could be done to improve the macro system... and the Targeting System is screwy too.
    They still can' get 'target hostile' right, let alone 'target ally' which they don't even have... 'target mobile' *usually* works...
     
  8. Petra Fyde

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    There is an 'open door' function in the 2d options list. I use it regularly to open doors in front of me on the run.
     
  9. Merion

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    Same for EC
     
  10. omgmir

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    Yes please
     
  11. Invalid

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    I can't find this, only an option to create a macro for it. Am I missing something or is that what you mean?
     
  12. Petra Fyde

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    sorry, forgot to check back. Yes, set a macro for it. :)
     
  13. In Flames

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    Do you mean things like

    setting window size to 1024x768
    Auto-unequip (defineable hand) to drink potion + Rearm
    Multiple "arm weapon" sets and "Smart Arming" (push arm 2, disarms current, arms new item)
    Auto Corpse opening
    Suit Dressing (multiple) and "Smart Dressing" (press dress 2, removes items not on dress 2, and replaces them with the listed items)
    the ability put target self, and target last on mousewheel
    the ability to mute annoying in game things (animal & pack sounds, weather, bard music)
    a filter for repeating messages
    an option to block dismount when in war mode (for you clickers out there)
    a counter/display across the top of the window allowing for definable objects and custom information
    the ability to auto-screenshot your kills
    and possibley even "drink specific potion/enchanted apples/grapes of wrath etc" macros?!

    Naw, you couldn't mean all that stuff, there is no way anyone could get ANY of those functions to work in uo. rolleyes:
     
  14. Viper09

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    Holy shiz! This rampant cheating needs to be put to a stop!
     
  15. popps

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    The one thing I would like to see in the client is the script that allows "selective" looting of a corpse.

    As of now, the EC client can do it only with gold and, when using a particular weapon, this works for some resources (not all of them) like leather and such.

    I would like to have the ability to have a customizable macro like some scripts have, where a player could actually "define" all of the items wanted to be automatically picked from the corpse and what left behind.

    Like, for example, any and all items with LRC above 15, or any and all items with cumulative resistances above 50 and so on.

    No more need to spend time looking at items one by one, press one key and what is wanted ends in backpack leaving the unwanted stuff on corpse.

    I heard some advanced scripts do selective looting like this and I do not see why only some players should benefit from such a time saver.
     
  16. Lord Chaos

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    I would like to see resolutions above 800x600 in the classic client. It can easily be done, as a script of maybe 10 lines can make a play window up to and beyond 1600x1200 in the classic client.
     
  17. Violence

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    Well, these along with speeding and automatic potion drinking and healing with bandages..? For everyone? Sure, why not?
    Let's take personal skill completely out of the game!!! Hurray! rolleyes: Click 'N' Go!... NOT. Let me explain how I see this..

    ..... What makes UO's game-play(and that's by itself one reason keeping certain people from going over to other games, especially PVPers) far superior to any other game out there is the player's direct involvement, in short how good the player is not only with their macros but also co-ordination and reflexes. For instance if I were to compare it to WOW's(un-avoidable example I suppose) game-play; You have cool-down timers on everything, all you need to do there is find the right order and create a string to execute against a specific target that will react in a very specific and restricted way to your attacks. It's a 1-2-3 thing.

    In Ultima Online you really need to think fast and be creative.
    And the fact that there are no set classes means the players have to improvise on the spot.

    Now, adding ALL of those functions would over-simplify it down to the levels of DOTA(a WC3 modification, look it up to see what I mean) and even lower to be honest with you- I've seen matches in DOTA that really surprised me!

    EA/M could stop such programs from being effective by adding timers to everything(mind, timers on potions is something that is needed but that's not the point here) and turning this into WOW Jr but that would be a huge mistake. They could also implement those functions and pretty much end up doing the same mistake really.

    The most obvious solution would be efforts to eliminate cheat programs that automate actions which define players' skills. Let's start from there..? :thumbup1: And from removing speed-hacks of course.

    As a side-note the "smart" re-arming is in. That or my game's bugged in a very nice way since I can do what you describe already. And I am 99% sure it will work the same for "smart" equipping of suits. (Running Enhanced Client here)
     
  18. Lord Chaos

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    You are aware of that the EC client allows for a lot of things well beyond the classic client and also incorperates several functions previously reserved for scripts and 3rd party programs.
     
  19. omgmir

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    You seem to be playing the decade old version of UO instead of the current version. The affect of player skill drops considerably when gear is added to the mix. It used to be that way sure, not so much anymore. Hell your post is riddled with opinions you state as if they are fact. In my opinion DoTA allows vastly more room for player skill than UO does and I don't even like the game.

    No offense but this makes me doubt you've ever done any serious PvP in WoW at all, because what you describe isn't even close to what takes place at the high end. What happens when they don't do what you expect them to and your 1-2-3 combo breaks down? What if ability 2 misses or is dodged or absorbed? What happens when 1-2-3 works perfectly and you kill them, and then next round they adapt because you're predictable and faceplant you? I'm not touting wow's PvP greatness here, it falls in the same gear trap that UO is in, as well as the class-based problem. Just what you said and your comparison isn't true in the least.

    I don't see anyone as able to make a case against options that exist in cheat programs being added to the game to a certain extent. Especially when the people making the case about it are using EC which has loads of extra features that would be considered cheating 10 years ago. Or even worse the person trying to argue the point is using classic client through UOA which actually was a cheat program.
     
  20. Surgeries

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    The players that benefit are using illegal programs, as far as I know.

    A time saver like Auto Looting...may as well be a big red Easy button sitting on a desk in my opinion.

    I would not be for Auto Looting. I would be for an auto open on a corpse I have looting rights to, if within a certain tile range. It would need to be toggle-able, I think, else Champ Spawns could get ugly.

    But I sure don't think Auto Loot should be an option, personally.
     
  21. omgmir

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    Agreed.

    I would like to see a loot bag option in EC to designate a bag that all loot automatically goes to when right-clicked instead your backpack
     
  22. Dermott of LS

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    setting window size to 1024x768
    Auto-unequip (defineable hand) to drink potion + Rearm
    Multiple "arm weapon" sets and "Smart Arming" (push arm 2, disarms current, arms new item)


    Already available in the EC.

    Auto Corpse opening

    Not quite available in the EC, but I believe you can create a button press macro that will open them.

    Suit Dressing (multiple) and "Smart Dressing" (press dress 2, removes items not on dress 2, and replaces them with the listed items)
    the ability put target self, and target last on mousewheel


    Already in the EC.

    the ability to mute annoying in game things (animal & pack sounds, weather, bard music)

    In neither client.

    a filter for repeating messages

    We had a mod for this in KR, but I don't think it's been ported to EC... yet.

    an option to block dismount when in war mode (for you clickers out there)

    Not in either client.

    a counter/display across the top of the window allowing for definable objects and custom information

    In EC via hotbars (and much more flexible than the top of the window in terms of customization and placement.

    the ability to auto-screenshot your kills

    Meh.

    and possibley even "drink specific potion/enchanted apples/grapes of wrath etc" macros?!

    Already in the EC directly via hotbars OR buildable macros (to the point that you can unequip, drink, and re-equip in one keystroke).

    So out of that list, there are three "not in the client" items I see.
     
  23. Lord Chaos

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    Well, this is still where UO falls flat on its nose. There's so much loot and so many properties with vastly different ranges, that it is near impossible for most people to not only keep up with their own character, their surroundings, mobs, etc. but also having to read through it all, evaluating every piece for value.

    But then again, you were also one of the people who were for randomized resources, so why should I expect you wanting anything good for UO.

    And people already have an easy button and your kind pushes them to use it and then they learn of more and more easy buttons, instead of staying within the game.

    Btw, anyone wanted proof that the majority use looters anyway? Well, there was apparently released an updated evaluator for loot scripts which only works on official EA Stygian Abyss 2D servers, and not many know about it yet. Yet the current version has over 1200 downloads already. Considering how many active 2D players there are in the west (counting only players, not accounts), then just that is a considerable portion of players.

    So sadly its a stupid hole in the game that UO is the only game that really has and simply drives people to cheat, just like the ill-devised library turn-ins.
     
  24. ChReuter

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    Sorry for not reading whole thread, but I do agree. I would be so happy if I could use a legal program to do all my illegal duping.
     
  25. Lord Chaos

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    So admit to duping, nice, lol.

    Either way, I said some functionality and script programs don't dupe, thats other programs.
     
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