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Cheating is getting bad again...

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Wojoe, Feb 20, 2011.

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  1. Wojoe

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    How about making a effort to clean up the game again. It's really unfair to those of us that don’t.

    thanks alot
     
  2. Evlar

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    "Cheating is getting bad again..."

    It was never good in the first place.

    :rant2:

    It's not unique to UO though, it plagues all MMO's unfortunately. That's not to say that more effort should be made to either eradicate it though. Unfortunately, the ToS have never been enforced very well, so if the company running the game won't enforce its own rules harshly enough, then people will never fear any consequence for their actions. Simple as that.
     
  3. RawHeadRex

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    i truely feel nothing can be done... duping, unattended macroing can be delt with. speeder and cheat tools can't be observed in any way or else certain members of every shard would be gone ten times over by now.
     
  4. Sevin0oo0

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    Ha, that'd be the Ultimate spring clean-up event wouldn't it?
     
  5. Zosimus

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    Cheating is kind of like the npc's in the game. They are there and always will be there till they pull the plug. You get kind of numb to it after a while. Since the devs spreadsheet didnt amount to much besides spare toilet paper I highly doubt they will do anything. Now a dev will come in and dispute what I said. They will give that same song and dance routine remark they are doing something but that scratched CD is getting old. :thumbup:
     
  6. G.v.P

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    Weird analogy.
     
  7. Mongbat137

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    I dunno man. They do what they can. Warcraft makes a billion dollars a year and has resources no other MMO can dream of, and even that game is crawling with botters. To an extent it's just unavoidable.
     
  8. Violence

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    Apologies, but what you just said is irrelevant.

    There is at least one form of cheating in all games, sooner or later that is bound to happen. The difference between WOW and UO, since I happen to be playing WOW and happen to have played UO for 10+ years is..

    The way they deal with cheaters, how fast they do it and how quickly they respond to paging, how un-forgiving they are to those who deserve it and how thorough they are in their examining a called issue. To begin with, cheating in WOW is nothing like UO. NOTHING like it. In WOW I would agree it is just as irrelevant as NPCs standing around..

    Gold sellers mostly.. Really easy to catch. All character transactions are logged.

    Get a clue please. UO is so infested with so many kinds of cheating, it's rotting away.

    And yes I couldn't avoid posting even though I do not play ATM but there are a couple of issues I keep track of, as fixing them for real would bring me back in 0.1". And when I read crap like this I just have to bite. Just like with the "Cheating doesn't offer any advantage" crap among other things.

    Anyway, "Seeya". :heart:
     
  9. Martyna Zmuir

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    Ugh.

    Another cheating thread.

    No, not saying the OP doesn't have a point, just lamenting the fact that its painfully obvious that Mythic:

    A) Doesn't really care about cheating
    B) Doesn't have the know how/skill to even remotely begin actually combat the issue
    C) Is in such deep denial that they think the pathetic show they put on last summer had any actual affect whatsoever

    Personally, I believe that it is a mixture of all three.

    Last year, I accused Cal of using smoke and mirrors when he 'described' the phantom detection system. He PMed me and said that it wasn't smoke and mirrors. I chortled heartily.

    Next, we hear all sorts of BS about 'the spreadsheet' and how the cheaters were being catalogued and tracked. This goes on for months.

    Eventually, we heard about a few random bannings on Atl one day. People 'accused' of being rampant PvP scripters. All the while, certain Stratics users freely admitted they were ardent scripters and laughed at Mythic.

    Cut to now. Rampant cheating still exists. Haven't heard a single peep about it from Mythic since, what, July-August? Not even a half-assed "Mission Accomplished!"

    Smoke and mirrors. Don't look behind the curtain.

    Just wait for the next line of Mythic BS about it when these threads become weekly again.
     
  10. Lord Chaos

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    These threads are not really productive anyway, might as well just play the game. In reality scripts doesn't really affect people for the most part and as shown with the stupid decisions regarding resource spawn, they are actually beneficial now sometimes.

    Whats the main problem are programs which breaks the rules of PvP, but those programs are mostly not working anymore luckily.

    As horribly unbalanced hardware assisted PvP is in UO, then its rather pointless to try anything else, as most people will get their butts kicked anyway.
     
  11. popps

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    Unfortunately, I also have this same impression when playing the game and am really wondering what ever happened with that famous "spreadsheet" mentioned almost a year ago, now....

    Personally, I think that the rampant cheating in the long run might do more harm to Ultima Online than whatever good it may bring. I am also very reluctant to play new games from the same publisher or software house which made games that I played that I have a feeling are not aggressive against cheating in their games.

    I simply do not enjoy playing games where others can cheat so easily, I feel that others cheating, devalue my time spent in the game and overall enpoverish my game play.

    I see no point in starting to play new games, even if they look good on paper and in their graphics, when I have a feeling that the company that manages them does not have a strong record of opposing cheating in their games.

    That's at least as I see it.
     
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    Ah z MythiCAL spreadsheet. :lol:

    Another day, another MythiCAL carrot.

    Cheaters pay EA too. End of Story.

    Anyway Mods are going to get a PM from EA, and this thread is going to be locked.
     
  13. Lynk

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    Cheating is no worse than it was a year ago, nor any better.

    The real problem is the bull**** claims so many people spew out to save face.

    I raided a guild on Atlantic last night in Despice. We were outnumbered 10 to 15, and we destroyed them. After we took the island and killed the champ, they started crying in general chat saying "nice lag hack, every one of us froze up on the island when you pushed.".

    Are you serious?

    1.) There are 3 screens of fields in any direction. Yes that is going to lag you to ****.

    2.) We had two people winding you, so when you cast, nothing happens, it looks like your lagging but really you're just casting slowly.

    3.) How could you POSSIBLY be frozen/force disconnected when I have to rush to east bridge to field you in and prevent you from running away.

    The truth is people just get so butt hurt from losing that they can't stand to think that superior tactics and playing ability are the reason that their opponents won.
     
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    They got their list just to find out how many active accounts slipped to the dark side. The few squeeky wheels spend time here just to realize they need fewer account due to less playing more threading.

    And if by some chance they did clean the game up. How the hell they going to get the word out to all the honest players that left. Are now wrapped up in another most likely different companies game. A box in the stores spouting the oldest MMO is "NOW CHEAT FREE" That will win over some new players.

    They have no clue compared to those in the trenches what goes on and works in the game. Tell them to use an explosion to put out a fire. May take some time and effort to clean up the mess, but it beats working with flames. They would only complain about fear of blowing things up and rather sit in their warm fuzzy place.

    All it will take is a few UO only GMs to not just ban a miner but follow the gold and burn the main accounts. Show face as some diety of destruction at yew gate and tear a hack to pieces before others eyes and perma pressed the account. Meaning housing, bankbox, backpack, paperdoll and boats account bond wiped. No skills to work but a clean sheet. 5 Active UO GMs making hard strikes on random shards would strike fear. Something way better then some magic code.
     
  15. Cetric

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    Cheating is pretty bad, but THIS is probably the most likely reason Wojoe came here to complain lol.

    Kind of like after i 3 swing killed him on my dexer several times, he went and complained that hld is bull****... dci is bull****.. lol. bad nox mage wojoe...
     
  16. Lord Chaos

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    Thats the thing isn't it...

    People get butt hurt about PvP, so they whine CHEATERS!!!
    People get butt hurt about resources, so they whine CHEATERS!!!
    People get butt hurt about money, so they whine CHEATERS!!!
    Etc. etc.

    Its pretty much the whiners that ruin the game, because thats all new players will hear and see. They won't ever really notice any real cheats, but they will notice the endless whining by the same butt hurt players over and over again. Which is rather sad for the game.
     
  17. Petra Fyde

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    I have said that frequently, and always get flamed for it.

    For every real cheater in UO there are 3 - 4 perfectly innocent people being accused of cheating simply because the accuser lacks the game knowledge to know what's really happening.
    My hubby has been accused of an 'infinite mana hack' - reality 120 focus/medi. Cheating by healing when mortalled - Bushido. Heck we were even accused of speedhacking when we were playing on Dial up!!! There is not, nor ever has been, any unapproved program on any pc we own, but it doesn't prevent my hubby being accused of using them.
     
  18. [JD]

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    I agree a lot of people cry cheater just to save face with their ego.

    That said there are still cheaters out there. I encounter a couple people with speeders on a regular basis. And yes the spreadsheet amounted to lip service. Frankly I don't think they can afford to axe the accounts of everyone doing it.

    Although if they would actually put some development into a new client, with better graphics, and begin advertising and bringing NEW players to UO, they wouldn't have to worry about "cutting the fat".
     
  19. Lynk

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    There are only 2 cheats that I really think give any type of advantage.

    Speedhacks - but its clear that they will never do anything to stop people from using them.

    Client Mods - They alter their files so fields and things of the like have no animation. Makes them less laggy and also allows them to place fields in between other fields that would otherwise not be target-able from a distance.

    While they do give an advantage, it is not the end-all of PvP. I regularly and don't use either.
     
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    Maybe there was a detection program and even maybe there was a spreadsheet, but most likely once they linked all the accounts associated with the ones flagged, they probably realized they simply couldn't afford to loose that many accounts, so it got swept under the carpet and introduced another horse and pony show ie High Sea booster.
     
  21. Lord Chaos

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    There's many people who says there are still "speeders" out there, yet many who says they've never seen a "speeder" in many years. I can't say I've seen one myself either, though when I play with my gf, she often appears to be skipping across screen, even though in reality I can see directly on her screen that she isn't.

    I am somewhat skeptical about this speedhacking business and if it really isn't just a red herring.
     
  22. Wojoe

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    People use...

    Medic scripts.
    Looting scripts.
    Skill gain scripts.
    Speed hack programs that causes other people's game to lag.
    Dismount scripts.
    Item farming scripts.
    and alot of others.

    I see it everyday and to say or think its not happening is what's called denile.

    The game would be alot better if EA had a ZERO tolerance policy and enforced it.

    I used to think the cowards where the ones using the cheat programs, but now i know the true cowards are EA for doing NOTHING
     
  23. Cetric

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    I personally enjoy when someone is using a medic script, they are so easy to kill then.
     
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    Exactly.. anyone who uses any script in PvP is an idiot. It is very easy to trick it into doing something it shouldn't.
     
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    Medic scripts. <- Anyone using that in PvP is stupid and in PvM, who cares.
    Looting scripts. <- Who cares? UOs looting system is stupid anyway, especially in CC.
    Skill gain scripts. <- So what? Skill gain is the most boring tedious thing in UO and its not everyone who is as fortunate as me to have someone do it for them.
    Speed hack programs that causes other people's game to lag. <- Where? Would be nice if someone could prove this exists. Heck, come to my shard and lag me. I dare you.
    Dismount scripts. <- You can dismount just as well manually or hardware assisted.
    Item farming scripts. <- Ohhh, scary!
    and alot of others. <- More scary.

    Really, come on, these are pretty much weak reasons and pretty much it would be better for you just to enjoy your own game, instead of worrying so much about others game.
     
  26. Lord Chaos

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    Well, the only flame for this would be a question as to where you're getting this number from or even approximating from?
     
  27. Cetric

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    lol well said.
     
  28. Wojoe

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    Most people do not cheat, and id bet most of them do care.

    Sorry but its really unfair for those that do not, and EA is to blame
     
  29. Lord Chaos

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    They care because they want to whine about something, not because they have any real true gripes.

    UO is unfair all around...the EC is unfair against the CC, advanced hardware is unfair against less advanced, more time to play is unfair towards those who don't have it, someone to play with is more unfair than those who don't have, etc. etc. etc.

    In reality its you guys who hurt the game, probably unintentional, but you do nonetheless.
     
  30. popps

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    Fine, but then why not just say that cheating in Ultima Online is free to all ??

    I mean, how much sense does a prohibition make if then what it does is only create an inbalance among players who use cheats and players who don't ?

    I can understand everything, that cheating is technically not stoppable, that it is not economically convenient, whatever.

    What I cannot accept, is to have it prohibited so that many players stay away from it but then these players do not see the action they would like against cheats being used in the game.

    Whatever the reasons might be that do not eradicate cheats from the game, then I think all players should be allowed to use them without worries.
    That is, the prohibition to use cheating in Ultima Online should be removed for good.

    Or, cheating should be eradicated from the game.

    Either solution is fine with me although I'd much rather prefer to be finally able to play a cheat-free Ultima Online.
     
  31. Lord Chaos

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    Too many reasons to list, but they include publicity, legal reasons, etc.

    How does it create an imbalance?

    If player A uses a loot/medic script for his 20 minutes of hunting some stupid mob, vs. player B who spends 5 hours farming mobs regularly...who's imbalanced here?

    You of all people know that there's a lot of things we would *like* to see in the game that doesn't happen...live with it.

    You guys complaining are ruining the game pretty much in so many ways.
     
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    ...is that when someone makes a post on the WoW forums about "15 of the 40 people in my random Alterac Valley groups are bots, I report them every day but I keep seeing the same bots, I hate you Blizzard you do nothing about cheaters" it gets deleted.

    And that's about it.
     
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    And those monthly payments keep on coming despite it, when are you people going to learn? They don't care about you, they don't give a crap, keep paying them while they laugh it up all the way to the bank.
     
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    I don't claim the figure to be accurate, and I guestimate it from personal observation. The bushido incident I mentioned with my husband? The GM took the unprecedented step of taking him outside the Labyrinth to talk to him. He was informed that he had been paged on 4 times in the past hour. That's 4 times the GM's time was totally wasted by someone who's knowledge of the game was insufficient to recognise that what my husband was doing was perfectly legitimate and correct use of the Bushido skill. No one asked him 'how do you do that?' They just leapt to the conclussion that he must be cheating.
    Is there any wonder legitimate pages are kept waiting?
    I abhor cheating, as I abhor any form of dishonesty, but I don't get bent out of shape over it, I don't go looking for it and I don't let it spoil my enjoyment of the game. If I come across blatent cheating I will report it, and then go on with whatever I was doing when I noticed it.
     
  35. MalagAste

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    Oh so the vendors on GL's who are selling over a dozen Verite Hammers, at least a dozen or more +60 ASH and about 8 or 9 of the Gladiators Collars... am I to believe he/she came by all that in a "legal"way???

    I'd be pretty stupid to believe that.
     
  36. Lord Chaos

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    Yeah, but you can't really make any reasonable figure simply based on observations and you/your hubby.

    The problem with your observations is that you wouldn't even know if others were cheating, its not like they'd go up to you and say "Hey Petra, I cheat", especially as you abhor cheating.

    So the issue is that if you throw out numbers to that degree it almost becomes a dishonesty in itself. :( It simply And I really don't like seeing that from you.

    I am pretty sure you and your husband play a wonderful game together and that you both are legit.

    Yes, I agree, there's a lot of reports that simply are false positives and sadly many of the rest of them are reports of stupid things that are a waste of time as well.

    I am glad you take a bit more sensible approach to it...sadly the problem is the complaining...a new player isn't really going to take notice of any cheating beyond false positives, native unfairness and uneven game from 13 years of item hoarding, what a new player IS going to notice, are threads yammering on and on about cheaters, claiming that EA and mythic does nothing, that the game sucks, etc. etc. and see THAT is going to be what scares people away from the game or make them jump the negativity wagon.

    People will never be satisfied anyway, no matter what they do because of the false positives, so might as well maintain the status quo and make people chill.

    For the games sake.
     
  37. Cetric

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    One time i decided to solo raid a spawning guild really late at night, i was by myself and they had like 10 or so people. They were doing either tort or khaldun, one of the t2a spawns *shrug*.

    Anyways, i kept getting dismounted and would teleport onto the t2a ledges, ledge to ledge, and back down, all over the place until i got someone isolated and killed them.

    This got me labeled by their gm as "someone using a teleport hack" Really?

    I asked them what i was doing wrong.. she said i was teleporting to a place they couldn't get to and that i was teleporting several screens at a time.

    Really? lol. Just because i know how to use the teleport spell effectively doesn't make me a cheater!

    theres my example, i'm sure i could name hundreds more stupid ones such as this.
     
  38. Lord Chaos

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    I know of a guild on Europa that collected over a dozen Verite hammers over time, so its certainly possible.

    But yeah, the game is sooooo much better if we all just point fingers at eachother and scream like "invasion of the body snatchers".
     
  39. Shakkar

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    I have to agree that just because someone does not know how something is done. it must be a cheat.thats the mentality of most who claim someone else is cheating.when in fact it is just thier lack of knowledge to know it is normal game mechanics being used. point of order being uo macros set in game. my favorite is last object last target. once i fish , mine or lumberjack a spot first time. i can hold that button till the target is empty of resources. I ve been told im cheating also when it is the furthest from the truth. in fact the percantage 0f 1 in 4 is a real cheat is a bit off. i believe the correct number would be more like 1 in 25 , if even that. but of course is from my own ideas of what i've seen in game.instead of complaing of cheats one should further them selfs in uo and obtain knowledge to make them selfs uber. as they say. crafters with last object last target set as macro is only way to go.so, in closing I am off to mine hope to see you out there mining too.oh yeah ill be using my in game made macros. try it. you can set heal and dismount among about 100 other things in game. and o yes recomended.and defiantaly not a cheat, unless you dont know how to set um and push a button.and then of course to you it will seem a cheat.:popcorn:in future just ask how its done i am sure someone will tell you and you will find it easily explained as to the how.:stir:
     
  40. Lord Chaos

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    Yeah, I would do:

    UOA Macro mine 1 (mines X targets, recalls to next spot)
    UOA Macro mine 2 (mines X targets, recalls to next spot)
    UOA Macro mine 3 (mines X targets, recalls to next spot)
    UOA Macro mine 4 (mines X targets, recalls to next spot)
    etc.
    Activate recall home macro as needed to unload in chest at stairs.

    But of course, thats "CHEATING"!!! :p Nevermind that its just common sense.

    This is my ancient macro, don't mine anymore, really can't be bothered with the random resources, which make me WISH I had a script program that could endlessly mine for me so I get what I need. :/
     
  41. Zosimus

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    Look at it this way peeps.

    Does it bother a casual player that needs 10k in random ingots or wood but doesnt have the time to mine/chop those ingots/wood? I highly doubt it would when they purchase these resources off of vendors. How would they know if they are buying scripted resources or not?

    Does it bother the casual player that needs this item or that item but only has 2 hours to play a night? I highly doubt it would because yet again they an purcahse these items off of vendors. How would they know they are buying scripted looting items or not?

    Does it bother the hardcore players that live in UO 10+ hours a day that the above is going on? Yes it does and the reason is most likely that they are playing all these hours the legal way to play just to compete with the ones that dont play that way.

    Is there cheaters in PvM? Yes some do cheat in many ways.

    Is there cheaters in PvP? Yes some do cheat many ways.

    Looting scripts are probably the worse at an EM event. Even though the script doesnt grab say such special event itmes in the corpse they will open the corpse in the lag fest event faster. It gives that person the chance of grabbing the item faster then somebody trying to click on the corpses all over to see if they even have looting rights.

    Is there ways to make your character play the game and look like your cheating but you are actually not? Get ready for this answer....YES you can. With UOA + UO ingame macros +2d client = epic win. Many ways you can combine both macros with one key with the right pauses you can do it just like a medic script.

    For example. I has my Z key as bandage self in UO ingame macros. On my UOA I had the same Z key set to chug a cure pot just in case I would be poisoned while trying to heal. So the set up in UOA would be pause 500 drink greater cure pasue 500. So If I was in a PvP battle and I was damaged and then poisoned I could hit the z key cure and then bandage go off in 5 secs.

    Also had my number 1 key set as confidence in UO ingame macros. In UOA I has the same number 1 key set as drink greater heal. Same set up as above with pauses. So I could heal up with bushido greater confidence and greater heal pot. I could be almost redlined and back off be full health in matter of seconds. Even if I got interupted with the confidence the greater heal pot would still heal me up plus using my bandage self macro above I was hard to kill on my abc. Now If I was mortal my confidence would heal up through that while I ate a enchanted ( remind me if I am wrong lol) apple.

    Am I cheating with the above? Maybe I am in a way. Not all players know about how to set up both programs using one key to do mutiple things. So should I be accused of cheating even though I am playing the legal way with better knowledge how to maximize both programs to their full potential then say some UO players? Not really but hey its only pixels and I know I am not cheating so it doesnt bother me :) Let others say what they want its only the internet. You cant make everybody happy.

    Yes I made a wierd analogy comparing NPC and cheaters in an earlier post. It may be wierd but it rings true. You can combat cheating but they always find away around it. By the time the rest of the community finds out it's already been exploited a million times over. Cheaters will be around just like the NPC's in the game. They will be seen and ignored to the most part.

    Real life isnt cheat free so why should a game be? Thats how some in society view it. Others view it as wrong and it should be delt with. In real life, some cheaters get caught and delt with. In UO we have a lack of punishment to combat that. Their monthly sub is more important to the company then banning. God forbid if they did deal with it. There would posts be screaming about more lack of resources and funding going back int the game. Just saying that because some dont want UO to lose money so its a conflict of priorities. So fix cheating 100% and have the game lose an X amount of subs and players and may cause the game to close/less devs/no fixes/no boosters/ ect ect OR just live with it and play the game how you think it should be played? Dont get me wrong. I am not saying there is a large or small player base that is cheating. We have no clue truthfully. Its what each percieves as cheating and who we think is or isnt.

    I dont care for cheaters but I played the game how I wanted to play it. I can sleep at night and live with myself. I dont want to slash my wrist with a plastic knife or hang myself by my big toe or anything. Im not perfect and no angel but who truly is?
     
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    actually my uoa mining macro goes 'dig last target 4 times, smelt on fire beetle' x 3.
     
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    I had mine set up to dig at the last target 10 times then recall to the bank and say bank :). I then would put my ore in the bank then hit the next mining area. Rinse and repeat. I get my fire beetle out later to smelt it when I was done since I was always hunted in fel in certain areas.


    I was killed once and stood there as a ghost to see what they would do. These reds were actually mining up a shadow elemental so they could train their pets. One could see me so he said he must be scritping because I wasnt moving or saying anything. So I said rez me then rez kill me if you think I was cheating. He rezzed me and they all lol'd. They didnt kill me anytime after that but I guess my UOA macros made them think I was cheating :(
     
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    You can do that too...never did get into fire bettles that much, but I am sure it would be even more efficient with that.

    But to outsiders it would look like I am script miner...I mine flawlessly (thanks to UOA targetting), I do it fast (thanks to UOA) and I use a chest on my stairs (because its way easy, simply drag and drop, then activate next mining spot macro)

    On and sorry, its in reverse order, the recall macro is the first part of the UOA macro, not the last.

    But again, we just don't know and hell, even to a GM they wouldn't even know as I didn't pay much attention beyond a quick survey for stray mobs and for my pack being full. But completely legit.

    Why do I go on about it? Well, partly because these crusades ruin the game and partly because I've known many good people and upstanding people who has accomplished a lot and done a lot, but all in some form used cheats. (for the most part completely benign) And as such I don't want to jump on any bandwagon trying to make them sound like drooling monsters from hell that steal your children and eat them.
     
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    And therefore it should be the players who play the game following the rules who have to suffer the consequences of this finding themselves at a disadvantage versus those players who play using hacks or scripts ??

    I do not know others, but personally, I cannot find this as reasonable nor acceptable.

    In PvP it gets players to loose a fight. Pretty much an obvious inbalance here...

    As in regards looting scripts or resource gathering, or Bulk Order Deeds or Library Collectibles or Heartwwod Quests, it hurts players not cheating, because it devalues the time spent in the game by all those players who do not cheat.

    If a player has to take time away from their life to gather items in the game, their time has a value which is embedded into that item which was obtained through investing that time.
    But if there are players capable of getting those same items through scripts, those items will be possible to be priced much, much lower than it could be for those players who actually had to spend their time to get them.

    Eventually, the more rampant scripting is, the cheaper those items will become thus simply making it not worth the time to get them for those players who do not cheat.

    Just to make an example to explain the point I am trying to make, if rampant scripting brings down the price of a barbed runic sewing kit to 500,000, given the time it is needed to invest into getting one without scripting, a player who "might" have wished to get a barbed runic sewing kit on their own, without cheating, might be better off just spend the same time doing else in the game, more rewarding, and just buy the kit for 500k gold....

    This means, that cheating can effectively make a whole lot of activities in the game "not worth their time" for players who do not cheat when playing.
    That is, a lot of players might be better off not mining, not chopping wood, not collecting Bulk Order Deeds, not doing Heartwood Quests, not doing Library Collectibles and on and on and on.................

    Basically, a whole lot of activities in the game which players "might" be willing to enjoy and play with, could be not worth the time it takes to get them done and players not cheating, because of scripters, might better just do else in the game in that same time frame and buy what they need from scripters.

    I think this as VERY wrong and bad for the game itself since it reduces the number of activieties that players might be willing to do in the game and, perhaps, alienate some players from the game, eventually, causing loss of subscriptions.
     
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    We pretty well summed it up popps. The game "aint" perfect and not all play by the same rules. Kind of like life :) Life goes on and so does UO :)
     
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    Scripting didn't devalue the runic kits (tailor or smith). People who were smart enough to script to get them, were also smart enough to control the supply and not get into a price war with the other merchants.

    Imbuing devalued runic kits.
     
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    Personally, I think that I am coming to the decision to only play new multiplayer games where I have a good feeling that they will have a strong (and enforced) policy against cheating.

    That is, before anything else, graphics, contents, whatever, the #1 issue that will make me want to buy and play a multiplayer game again is whether or not I have a good (strong) feeling that cheating will be adversed in that new game.

    If I will not have a strong feeling about it, I will not bother with it, period.

    I see no point in spending my time in a game to only eventually find out that others got ahead because they were able to cheat. No thanks, I'd rather then spend my time elsewhere.
     
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    Bye popps! Don't let the door...
     
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    I can loan you my plastic knife and spool of thread if it that would ease your pain. There is no answer and no guarantees in what you are looking for. A game you may choose may combat cheating at first but eventually they get worn down with all the work arounds they keep trying to combat. Next you may hear about a spreadsheet then nothing afterwards.....

    Only thing you have guaranteed in life are death and taxes. Taxes I know..death...I will let you know when it happens from hell when I get there :)
     
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