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Cheating Update?

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Mistura, Jun 11, 2010.

  1. Mistura

    Mistura Lore Keeper
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    Hello? Is this still on the horizon or has it fallen by the wayside again?

    Any information would be good information at this stage, i'm sick to death of these speedhacking archers.

    Whats going on Devs?
     
  2. Derium of ls

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    after punkbuster and everything else, I'm not getting my hopes up.
     
  3. chuckoatl

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    Wow are you gonna be mad when you find out that its just a nicer comp and connection than you have....... then what?
     
  4. Mistura

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    lol
     
  5. Hardy

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    Or someone using EC :thumbup1:
     
  6. Winker

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    I got a barnd new PC this week:

    AMD Phenom II X6 1055T Black Edition Processor - (2.8-3.3GHz,6xTurbo Core,9MB Cache)
    Microsoft® Windows® 7 Home Premium pre-installed
    ThermalTake V5 BE Gaming Chassis + 700W PSU
    ASUS M4A89GTD PRO/USB3 TurboV ATX Mainboard - AMD 890GX CrossFireX- AM3, DDR3
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    Network Ready PCIe Gigabit LAN




    Lastnight i was runnning the new client (EC) and, there were still people running away from me faster than i could keep up with them.

    So its not the new client, its not my OLD PC, I have a ping of 19 to the server so its not my ping.

    Its speedhackers, and the dev's apear to be all mouth and no substance.

    Speedhackers need to be insta banned, but their doing nothing about it and its getting to the point where i just dont think its worth playning UO anymore. Due to promisis not being kept on the 3rd party detection. Lets be fair here it not hard to detect.

    We need to see action on speedhacking first before they do anything about scriptors, and it need to be done now rather than latter.

    Europa has a big problem right now with speedhackers using it in PvP, I hope you all get banned for it!
     
  7. Hardy

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    I couldnt agree with you more, I hope they all do get banned!
     
  8. Violence

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    It's not the EC, it's not faster comps or connections. At least not in the (vast)majority of cases. That's a poor response.

    As for any anti-cheating kicking in.. I'd give it a couple of months more if we want to be realistic.

    EA/M also talked about balancing speed between players in general, now what happened to THAT, is even a bigger mystery. That shouldn't take any month at all to implement and it would be a good start. :(

    What gets on my nerves every single time(this is out of control on Europa) is a particular template combined with speed hacks; Archers spamming MoveShot, where you can't go near them and you can't run away from them. So these templates are built to counter MoveShot's penalties completely and have apparently enough mana and stamina to keep at it per second. We're talking 15-18 DMG + SpellEffect 7-12 + Velocity against 70 Physical Resistance/75 Energy Resistance, per 1.25 or ridiculously close to that, with 180+ Stamina.. On the run, spamming Divine Fury. YES I do have HLD immunity and actually 150 Health and 120 WeaponSkill and I have even tried using HLA to have them miss more. Still no chance against this template. Healing and Parrying only delay the inevitable.

    And they tend to run around with their buddies running the same gimpy crap. Before someone tells me to get parrying, it's not archery nor moving shot that breaks the balance in this. It's the fact that eventually, since they can keep up forever(that's to say, OUT-RUN YOU), they'll get you. And you can't stop running AT ALL. And if you try to Disarm they simply run in the other direction like there's no tomorrow, then return.

    I really am not sure about this yet(because possibly it's the speed hacking that boosts it so much) but I'm starting to believe that archery is causing too much problems on its own, to be honest. Most gimp templates are 90% archery-based and the other 10% is based on casting. Just take a look at any major PVP area... rolleyes: So I believe this justifies my opinion and if I'm wrong then it's the ******** running speed hacking archers giving archery a bad name.
     
  9. Mistura

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    That sums it up to a tee. Who is your char on Europa btw?

    Edit, Violence the asssasin?
     
  10. lucitus

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    Behe and iam the big fat speedhacker on Europa.

    Iam posting this here public because everyone should now that most people on Europa are saying this.

    But no iam not, everybody knows iam using the new client without any thirdparty programs, okay you got me i use UOCatographer to see my mates.

    But with speed alone you cannot do PvP, consider iam also playing a normal dexxer template no archer, i for myself hate archers and there are too much out there. But everytime complaining is not the right way, but i can confirm there are speedhacking people out there, sometimes it is only a little degree between speedhacking and programing ;)
     
  11. SchezwanBeefy

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    I'm an archer and I die all the time to mages and dexxers.
    Archers are powerful, sure, but it takes some time to get good at playing an archer, just like you have to learn how to play a good mage or Bushido dexxer, whatever.
    And if you really wanna talk about an overpowered template, let's talk about mystics.
    The problem is speed hacking alone. Once you see the 3rd party tracker come in (I heard there was a huge banning on Chessy due to this) to play, I think things will start to even out.
    What I would like to know if HOW this will be implemented. Will people have to page on other players? Will Devs/GMs just have to walk around and find it? I'd love to know how the system will work just so I know if I have to page on players running 4x faster than me and running medic and scripts.
     
  12. longshanks

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    It's not just the speedhacking

    There are also:
    field hacks
    stump hacks
    paralysis breakers
    anti bola
    heal scripts

    These are all alive and well.


    So in essence you have 3 choices

    1) can't beat them join them
    2) play honest and do the best you can.
    3) don't pvp

    The HOC really annoyed me because they asked the Dev's such soft ball questions.

    One guy last week posted about this in ''ask the dev's'' and all he got was a ''that's classified'' response.

    i choose to play no. 2 by the way. I just don't care enough to embrace the first choice and I'm not going to limit my game play to just half the map.
    I
     
  13. longshanks

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    I can assure you that the speeding is alive and well on Chessy amongst all the other things.
     
  14. JC the Builder

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    I don't think it is working. If it was they would have posted about banning some people by now.
     
  15. longshanks

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    you know jc, if thats the case than they need to come forward and say, hey
    we cant stop this and its no longer banable.

    now your free to run this stuff and everyone can be on a level field.

    problem is solved.
     
  16. Cetric

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    Chucko just doesn't want his crutch kicked out from under him.
     
  17. lucitus

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    Another question is do you want to ban the people you milk?

    A banned account is a permanent closed account...
     
  18. longshanks

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    a question to your question is:

    If said player logs in everyday to exploit game mechanics do you want them as a customer?

    The argument that banning the cheater will end the game holds no water. The other side of it is it keeps people away because they feel they cannot compete if they don't cheat. so don't bring it here.
     
  19. Splup

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    Speedhacking is The biggest problem in PvP atm.

    I mean geh, some ppl complain about scripters but there's no PvP script that would do better job then a good PvP:r by hand. Speedhack is a whole other story.
     
  20. Picus at the office

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    +1 but ya know we are 99% done and just tweaking it, wait was that 6 years ago?
     
  21. Yalp

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    "We are testing our tests to determine if we can define the results. We are 10% done. After this step is completed, we will need to review our tests of our tests. Once done, we will be reviewing the tests themselves. At that point, the tests will be outdated and we will need to re-test. Be rest assured we are working on the problem. *job security and all*"
     
  22. Ls Jax Ls

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    Instead of lashing out against cheaters, why don't the devs just do something to improve the game for all?

    Field Hacks: make the field art reasonably dispel-able
    Stump Hacks: allow all players to run over tombstones
    Paralysis breakers: ever heard of a trap box macro?
    Anti-bola: I do this manually and I am almost never bola'd...just get good
    Heal Scripts: I guarantee I will out-heal any healing script out there...
    Speedhack: takes 10 seconds to download...stop being stubborn

    Whiney pvpers on forums...priceless
    There are some things people do well at, for everything else there's pancakes and moaning.
     
  23. Lady Storm

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    OK Time to chill out.

    First off the fix is already coming as per the Dev reporting in many other threads.
    Now here is the "BUT..."

    1.) The legal way for EA/Mythic to handle the information they are collecting is not VISABLE.
    Information gathering is on going thing and you all know EA will not tell us what, when, who, or where the boon will fall. But be assured it will come down.

    2.) I for one want them to be sure its an illegal 3rd party program someones using, not a super computer/con and so does EA. Think of the legal end if they were wrong.

    I know you all are angry when you see what looks like inactivity on Mythics part, I can assure you they are not sitting on their hands on this. No there is 0 tollerance for cheating in EA/Mythic's ethics. Anyone who has been dealing with EA/Mythic will tell you that.

    My advice is to give them time, chill out and let them get their TAILS caught. you can gloat later when their houses burn.
     
  24. longshanks

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    Or u can play the game the way its presently constructed within the current ruleset and petition the developer's for changes through the normal channels.

    It will be funny to hear you come whine on these boards when your account gets shuttered.... that will be priceless.
     
  25. Yalp

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    I don't know you Lady Storm, not sure if you are player or developer or employee of EA/Mythic I think the jist for this thread is....

    many peeps are totally fed up with EA constantly dangling the fix for cheating in our faces.. only to watch another 6 months and another year and another 2 years go by with alot of lip service and no actual change.. so you'll have to bear with us as we express our doubts in this medium that there's anything more than what has become same-ol-same-ol from EA/Mythic
     
  26. Winker

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    They have a new excuse...

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    3) 3rd Party program "fixes"

    That information is classified. Sorry.

    vapor ware comes to mind!
     
  27. Yalp

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    aye... rolleyes:
     
  28. Viper09

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    Well if they are planning something I think I'd prefer them not to say anything at all. A surprise action against as many cheaters as they can get is the best thing they can do, catch the cheaters off guard. If they were to say what their plan is then all the cheaters would stop running their cheats just to avoid the first strike.
     
  29. Violence

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    Yes, I'm "Violence the Assassin". I thought it would be quite obvious with my new sig..! :)

    Also to those saying "I'm a melee template too but I think Archery isn't so strong.. Or Archery takes skill to play so n00bs prefer to play Dexxer!", all I gotta say is take off the new Invisibility hack you must be having.. BECAUSE SO FAR I SEEM TO BE AMONG THE ONLY 2-3 MELEE'S ON THE WHOLE EUROPA SERVER who PVP's actively. That alone speaks volumes. And you don't see Warriors speed hacking, do you? No, you see almost purely Archers.

    Gimme a break with your claims about Archery!.. rolleyes: If it wasn't Tourist Mode UO there wouldn't be THAT many people running Archers.

    So it might be that the speed hacking alone makes Archery appear OPed but I'm not completely convinced yet, besides from a point on(and that's not really recent) ALL FOTM templates where 90% Archery-based, hacks or no hacks!

    Just saying it shows us something.. rolleyes:
     
  30. [JD]

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    on sonoma we have people who admit to wearing "special shoes" which let them move fast (IE, speedhack) in global chat channels. gms don't monitor and don't care. very frustrating.

    ive seen 2 people i knew were speedhacking since pub 66 went live. 1 i knew about who has repeatedly boasted, and 1 was some new character i'd never seen before. so annoying that there are no channels to report these people for investigation.

    frankly i just won't pvp around these people. whats the point? if they're winning they chase you down, and if they lose they run. speedhack is the ultimate i-win.
     
  31. GL_Seller

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    The only answer to this question over the years has been...

    SOOOOOON
     
  32. red sky

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    Cute puppy btw. Oh, And BAN the speedhackers! Off with their heads! :gun:
     
  33. Splup

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    I don't care if they get banned or not as long as they need to quit speedhacking. Actually I'd prefer them NOT getting banned and see them struggle trying to fight without it.

    So yes, they need to give us freaking updates and WHEN information cause this is starting to look like another "we'r looking into it....next decade" thing.
     
  34. Borric

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    Thanks for the laugh. rolleyes:
     
  35. King Frankie

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    Comon you lot they dont care they will never care stop thinking so and you come to the conclution that many has. Its all about the money they are a company wich equals money and money nothing else. And to be honest we are just to daft to realize they ever would think anything else ;)
     
  36. JC the Builder

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    I killed a resource scripter at his Felucca house when I logged in today.
     
  37. Tinsil

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    Let's just make scripts and speedhacking legal..

    There. Problem solved. Everybody's on an equal playing ground.. We can then get past this issue.
     
  38. UOKaiser

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    LoL JC we both know you would of killed him no matter what he was :)
     
  39. Capt.E

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    there is another option:

    Quit playing UO.

    If I see they have fixed it I might return.
     
  40. Violence

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    I decided to do the opposite as I was missing the game too much. Give it 2-3 months and if it's a case of SSDD I'll be leaving. rolleyes: If there is ANY decrease in the numbers of people cheating(at least in the case of PVP) it's most likely due to people taking long breaks(Summer? Other games? Boredom?) rather than any effort on EA/M's part.. Or simply they are waiting to see what(if anything) will happen to their more careless buddies perhaps. :confused:
     
  41. Chap

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    Banning people means less accounts in UO, less accounts means less money generated.

    Its all about the money.
    if 60% of UO population quit UO there would be changes within few days.

    However there are devs who want the best for the game and players,
    but their hands are tied to whatever the boss decide. (ie, supporting Events, and uogamecodes more items and new expansion to create more money).



    As for the Europa debate, I wouldnt say its that bad, its just a result of adjusting to the reality of what has been on other shards for years. I see it this way, Europa has been lucky to not have this big problem before now.

    Overall UO needs 3 things:
    -fix speedhacking
    -General PvP balances
    - Faction system

    The resources needed for all these are unfortunately not realistic with the current mentality from EA/mythic managers (which is the same as its always been).
     
  42. Violence

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    I believe EA/M already said they would be quiet about it, and that they would be collecting information only at first. Hence my waiting time estimation before my account kicks the bucket once and for all.

    As for Europa - How is the problem not as bad if everyone adjusts by running Archers which as you say is a reality? Wait until the Mysticism hype sub-sides and everyone will jump on their Archers just like they always have. For sure, speed hacks plus Archery currently dominate.
     
  43. Great... another person pulling stats from out of the darkside of their moon. Please, if you have a link for that 60% do share it with us.
     
  44. gjohnson5

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    Archery has been in need of a nerf (or balancing) for quite some time. It got worse when you could lightning strike / death strike + velocity + hit lightning. I think adding balanced archery weaps + velocity ranged bushido / ninjitsu attacks put that way out of balance. I just don't understand EA/M. Most of what they do doesn't make any sense.
     
  45. Violence

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    Yup.. But most of what they don't do is what ticks me off.. rolleyes:
     
  46. Lady Storm

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    In reply to Yalp's Question: I have played UO from Beta test. Own 53 accounts (no joke).
    As for working for EA/Mythic ...hehe more like that they work for me (Points up to the 53 accounts. They cost me a bundle thou only 43 are on and used).

    Back to the point at hand:

    More over is the point that to "catch" these people that all want nailed to the cross of EA/Mythic, an burned to a crisp, have rights to be proven innocent or guilty. The legal department cost EA a bloody fortune and their advice is get the facts first, all the data and proof to seal their fate. PERIOD. Without it EA/Mythic doesnt have a leg to stand on legaly.
    Lawsuits would cost $$$ if EA cant prove that big time pvp'r is infact using speedhack (or reasonable facsimile of any said illegal 3rd party program). Hard Evidence. Not just your word.
    Scream all you like but it takes TIME to nail this evidence on ALL the players, across all the shards. Going by the amount of complaints of this cheating going on UO is a den of cheats, hacks and thiefs.
     
  47. dukarlo

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    So your saying speedhackers are now going to start sueing for thier right to speedhack? So now people are going to start threatening legal action?EA has the right to terminate anyones account. Account holders own nothing in UO. EA does. People sign a TOS agreement to play UO. Only way EA could be sued is if they do something that is actualy against the law. Terminating an account hardly seems illegal.
     
  48. Lady Storm

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    Reread my post EA has to make sure they ARE cheating. Yes EA has the rights to terminate any and all accounts they deem are in their best interest. WE ALL signed our TOS, some of us more then once!

    the point that to "catch" these people that all want nailed to the cross of EA/Mythic, an burned to a crisp, have rights to be proven innocent or guilty.

    Your word that someone is speedhacking is not good enough. If you remember the old days GM's Told you they must SEE them use it for it to be legit claim against another player.

    You cant just name some player as a speedhacker and expect a gm to come down from the clouds and telestorm them to jail1.

    This game is still played by adults too (some are lawyers) and will tell you the same I am.
     
  49. dukarlo

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    You flat out said an unjust ban would cost EAs legal department big money. Im saying no it wouldnt because EA has the right to do what they want with thier game.
     
  50. ingsmsico

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    I agree with this 100%. go on test center yew gate, people will be there openly discussing what programs they are using and they just laugh about it. fyi: it is not scripts.