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City of Heroes goes free-to-play.

Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by Squeax, Jun 22, 2011.

  1. Squeax

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    Freedom Overview | City of Heroes

    This whole F2P thing is just a passing fad I tell you! LOL

    So let's see, D&D Online, Lord of the Rings, WW2 Online, Everquest 2, Age of Conan, City of Heroes all F2P now... Jeez pure subscription games are an endangered species.
     
  2. Nothing is free to play. Limited to play. Never free.

    Dude and when you pay for upgrades, you are paying a fee.

    Its a hustle. Argh.
     
  3. Cirno

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    Lego Universe is going that way, too
     
  4. Shinobi

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    Sooo, being that we pay both subscription fees and upgrade fees, UO would be considered a flat-out mugging?
     
  5. Cirno

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    We have microtransactions, too :(
     
  6. DenAlton036

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    "Sooo, being that we pay both subscription fees and upgrade fees, UO would be considered a flat-out mugging?"

    LOL, perfect.
     
  7. Whatever they call it... we pay.

    It aint free.

    Should read... parts of the game are free to play, want it all pay... if we upgrade pay... want a dash of this pay...

    Id rather pay a monthly fee and get it all and decide if I want the additions.


    I hope people arent really fooled that is free to play.
     
  8. retrorider

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    UO is Free to Play, as well... for 2 weeks anyway.
     
  9. retrorider

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    Ok, so no one is going to point out the irony here!?!

    :lick::lick::lick:
     
  10. NuSair

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    If I understand correctly, in both Eve Online and D&D online, if you grind enough, you can get everything though the game, without having to purchase anything.
     
  11. Uvtha

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    Actually it IS free. You don't ever HAVE to buy anything. That's the point. People DO buy things, but its not mandatory. You can still play, and do tons of things. And as was mentioned some of them you can do EVERYTHING free, it just takes grinding.

    Its not trickery, people know how the f2p pay paradigm works.
     
  12. Lord Frodo

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    D&D Online

    Dungeons & Dragons Online - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    DDO Store Guide - DDO Compendium

    There are three subscription types:

    FREE
    PREMIUM
    VIP

    FREE
    Two character slots, can purchase more
    Base Quest Difficulty Options: Casual, Normal: Free Hard, Elite: Earn or buy
    Existing Packs: Some free, can purchase unlimited access to others individually

    PREMIUM
    After your first purchase in the DDO Store, your FREE subscription is permanently upgraded to PREMIUM!

    All PREMIUM players receive:

    Everything FREE players get plus:

    Two additional character slots (4 total)
    Gold limit increase (5 gold vs 2)
    Faster login

    VIP
    All VIP players receive:

    Everything FREE and PREMIUM players get plus:

    500 Turbine Points monthly
    Shared bank slot
    10 character slots
    Unlimited free access to all existing quest packs

    What is a DDO VIP?

    Sounds important, right? Well, it is. DDO VIPs are players who want unlimited access to all of the content DDO has to offer. This newly optional subscription program also allows its gamers to enjoy a number of other exclusive benefits, such as a monthly grant of Turbine Points, priority access to servers, additional character slots, a shared bank slot, and much more.

    The cost of becoming a DDO VIP is:

    US $143.40 Every 12 Months (20% Savings)
    US $77.70 Every 6 Months (13% Savings)
    US $29.97 Every 3 Months (33% Savings)
    US $14.99 Monthly



    UO FTP
    FREE

    Just remove the 14 day restriction on the trial accounts.

    PREMIUM

    Some but not many perks.

    VIP

    Just like D&D online, everything free and I would even pay thier fees for it because it would only be an $23 a month per account.
     
  13. You all get that it is free to play, to get you there.


    Then you pay for more or for conveinence.

    Nothing is free to play.... the guy that has to grind for hours might get what they need, but the are put in the position to work harder then others.

    Which is fine with me... so your not paying cash... you are paying with time.

    It is just marketing... right?

    Get you in... get you liking... get your money eventually.

    I will say free to play makes it easy for people to jump in and hang around. But something tells me that is done because it aint worth paying a subscription for, if it were, it wouldnt be FTP.
     
  14. Woodsman

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    Squeax, since you posted a little about f2p, but not much, in one of the other numerous f2p threads, could you expand on this:

    Since you're a big fan of f2p, what else would you do under an f2p system?

    Anybody who says they are a big fan of f2p should really explain what they'd like to see under an f2p system, so that everybody else can see what their view is.
     
  15. Woodsman

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    This is a repost of mine from one of the other numerous f2p threads:

    Those of you who keep talking about f2p is the way to go, put your money where your mouth is and start laying out f2p options and packages. Don't be vague. I've provided a link to information on the trial restrictions at the bottom of this post. Use it. Show us what you think an f2p account could be. I may believe that UO has bigger problems than payment options, but I'm willing to consider it and spend a few minutes laying out specifics.

    Full monthly subscription ($10 - $13 depending on payment option) required for the following:
    - Ownership or co-ownership of a house
    - Own vendors
    - Own boats
    - Participate in guilds or factions
    - Have over 85 in a skill and have more than 500 points in skills
    - Use any scrolls or soulstones/fragments
    - Mining anything above iron or lumberjacking anything above regular wood
    - Fishing up anything better than basic fish
    - Obtaining color BODS
    - Having more than 2 characters on a shard (in keeping with other f2p games)
    - Have more than 75,000 in gold (similar to other f2p games)
    - Have more than 60 items in a bank box (similar to other f2p games)
    - Use checks and commodity deeds

    Everything listed for the full monthly subscription above is both to keep existing customers from feeling ripped off, and is to keep the scripters from being able to do some of their scripting on free accounts. The above is also to provide a very clear point for people to decide if it's worth a monthly subscription or not. Finally, it's to ensure that subscriptions/revenue don't drop - the goal is supposed to be additional players, not a dropping of revenue from existing players. A drop in revenue would be bad news for UO.

    Each f2p package below is independent of one another. Obviously, anything that is listed in the packages below would be barred on a completely free account.

    Package #1 (Montly payment of $4)
    - Allows f2p account to be friended to a house
    - Allows f2p accounts to buy from vendors
    - Allows f2p accounts to visit Felucca, T2A, Malas, Ilshenar
    - Allows f2p accounts to do quests
    - Allows f2p accounts to board ships
    - Allows f2p characters to be created using elves
    - Allows f2p characters to have up to 75,000 in gold (free limit - 35,000 in gold)

    Package #2 (Monthly payment of $4)
    - Allows f2p accounts to have up to 60 items in a bank box (free limit - 30 items)
    - Allows f2p accounts to have up to 70 items in their backpack (free limit - 40 items)
    - Allows f2p accounts to have higher than 70 in a skill (capped at 85)
    - Allows f2p accounts to have amount of skills up to 500 points
    - Allows f2p accounts to obtain anything more than basic loot
    - Allows f2p accounts to use bags of sending, pet summoning balls, etc.

    It is based in part on a thread from last year detailing trial account restrictions:
    The reason why I based my packages on the trial restrictions is partly because the mechanisms are already in place and that simplifies things, and also I'm trying to keep the f2p accounts from losing some of the sandbox aspects of UO, while at the same time preserving the value of the subscriptions and keeping revenue high enough that UO doesn't get in trouble with EA.
     
  16. Santa Claus

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    Seems Age of Conan and Fallen Earth are going to be f2p too
     
  17. Well ... if you >insist< on incorporating a new "model" ... just as well consider a "High End" option.

    UP the subscriptions FOR the true Elite ... say a $20usd >flat rate< per month ... no bulk time discounts.
    Preferred Stock holder type options/benefits
    Voting rights (with steering impact)
    Direct access to the Board of directors (The code writing Developers)
    assignment of proxy votes to sort the monied investors into >self sorting< ranks/groups ...

    Just saying ...
    opening up the intro levels of the game at reduced impact(limited access/abilities)
    is not as likely to result in long term vets
    as shopping through established vets playing basically out of habit
    by Opening a new option of "putting their money where their opinions lay" ...

    Just something to consider
    the shuffling masses >will always be there<
    NEED intelligent committed/vetted LEADERSHIP ...

    this might be a way to get it ...

    :danceb: burma shaving with better ideas ...
     
  18. Ahuaeyjnkxs

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    Ouhh, someone had a nice evening yesterday :p

    I like the idea of UO becoming a democracy hehe...
     
  19. Uvtha

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    The -F- in f2p is talking about money. Not time. Yes, you CAN play for free. No one MUST buy upgrades. You may be at a disadvantage but you CAN play for free.

    Obviously the point of f2p is to get money, the same with subscriptions, but they also are aware they there are some people who WON'T buy anything. Probably most people will not.
     
  20. Zosimus

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    I think the issue with some Vets that if UO went to F2P it would not be "fair" that they paid all these years before and then it's all free. F2P has restrictions in most games. I think some of the critics against it doesn't really know how it all works. Plus some of these F2P games have been around almost as long as UO. I posted about it once before.
     
  21. Kojak

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    if you noticed, the games that went free to play all suck and that's why they went free to play - it's because they HAD to - noone plays any of them anymore so they went free to play as a last ditch effort to stay alive - that's the main difference between them and us - they suck
     
  22. Zosimus

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    LOL!!! That made me so laugh. These same F2P games advertise on stratics here. They pay stratics to show them unless stratics is being nice and doing it for free which I "highly" doubt. Boy they must suck if they have money to advertise and UO doesnt.
     
  23. Speaking of LAUGHABLE ... *ahem*
    "Stratics" is no longer a standalone PLAYER run fan site ...
    it's a bought and paid for commercial "enterprise"
    way way WAY down there in the footnotes
    About - TGN is THEGAMENET - Creating communities 10,000 gamers at a time! (and 100,000 YouTube views a day)
    *shrugs*
    you acting like "the Ads" cost a lot of money ... :talktothehand:
    going F2P ... :lol: won't exactly put UO in a "unique" position
    Role Playing Games Online - Play Free Multiplayer RPG Adventure Games ... RPG wise
    Techno wise?
    Perfect World Entertainment - Free Fantasy MMORPG | Play Free Online Video Games
    :scholar:OLD persons game be that raggedy UO ... old and perennially busted
    Oh! but "we" be thriving on the picked over crumbs from Bioware thru Mythic
    uhhuh ... you "think" (to use the term loosely) going F2P would help?
    BioWare <<See from the drop down menu "games"?
    UO is at the bottom ... ONE step from legacy
    ONE step from being a trivia question: when did the oldest get retired to a resthome?
    2011-12

    Ya know .........


    Off Camera: Has there been any thought to offering UO as a free to play game. Here’s a loaded question.
    Cal: Has there been any thought given to it?
    Off Camera: Sure
    Cal: Sure, I give thought to tying my shoes in the middle of the night too, that doesn’t necessarily mean it’s going to happen.
    Off Camera: Well, there’s a second part to that question. If so, what if anything has been decided.
    Mesanna: *giggles*
    Off Camera: Ha!
    Cal: Yeah, okay..umm…how do I word this.
    Off Camera: Carefully
    Cal: Yes
    Mesanna: No (?) decision has been made
    Cal: Umm…the plans that we make right now for the game are to keep the game viable, and to keep the game entertaining, and to keep players coming, and so whatever decisions we make for that, that is our priority.
    Mesanna: Nice
    Off Camera: Very good.
    Cal: Thanks


    No No Cal ... thank you ... :danceb:
     
  24. Taylor

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    My current favorite game, Combat Arms, began F2P and continues to be F2P. It doesn't suck.
     
  25. *ahem*
    and .... runescape? BEGAN as F2P and remains F2P and "doesn't suck" BETTER than any other game in the F2P class ...
    seems to have even migrated to Facebook too!

    I am beginning to think that "originally released as" is not much of a relevant factor as to
    "what it ends up as"

    Humph!

    Maybe it is an un-noticed "Fickle-Factor" re: public TASTE for what is popular?


    hmmmmm ... :danceb:
     
  26. Vlaude

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    Team Fortess 2 is now F2P on Steam (which is free). It doesn't suck :)
     
  27. Ahuaeyjnkxs

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    They must be baffled that Maple Story was more popular than UO, and that those facebooooo games are threatning even WoW's dominion...

    one day realise it's all my fault and that they're putting all their time and development in a fad that will soon be clasified as extreemly childish and vain. And thats the tip of the iceberg... that phenomenon is a continuity of the "gold selling" market which is obvious to the most trained eye.

    I guess a few of you have the brains to connect the dots here... mass hypnosis...
     
  28. Longforge

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    Pure subscription games aren't endangered, there are just too many.

    UO flourished because it was the first of its kind and the market was limited.


    With the number of MMO's being cranked out and introduced to the market on an almost continual basis... I think the laws of business and economics is going to tell you something like... not every title is going to survive in a subscription based environment. However F2P models work for dead games that require minimal maintenance to keep going.

    A game has to be a real rockstar title with sandbox style play.

    Star Wars OR ftw woot!
     
  29. Ahuaeyjnkxs

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    Hey there cutie... I have the long hammer. :thumbup1:
     
  30. GuildElysium

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    How is this game still doing?
     
  31. Ahuaeyjnkxs

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    Riiight... you just asked that in UHELL... :popcorn: