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Clarification from a dev

Discussion in 'UHall' started by yars, Oct 25, 2013.

  1. yars

    yars Lore Keeper
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    So just a simple question,if I'm on a boat with my dragon and were fighting a Capt from the new invasion,were both taking damage. Is this legal?

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  2. Goodmann

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    Gotta be more legal than this
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  3. yars

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    I know for magincia we were using porches.

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  4. old gypsy

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    Maybe the devs decided to apply that old saying, "Desperate times call for desperate measures"? o_O
     
  5. hen

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    Can I ban them from my house in Skara and fight them from the front door?
     
  6. Mesanna

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    Ok so let's settle this discussion for good. Due to the fact this invasion is in towns such as Magincia and various other towns, the mobs might be a little tougher but the players were given the leeway of being creative to fight them in various ways.

    PS Do not call a GM if you see a player using Bagballs on mobs in this invasion in towns. In dungeons is another story *winks*
     
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    Nice & Clear... time to farm it up!
     
  8. hen

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    What does this mean?
     
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    ie: you can't cast summons, etc.
     
  10. The Zog historian

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    Wonderful, thank you for confirming! Can we, well, trust that GMs will be informed of this? Not all players read Stratics, and some might maliciously page anyway.
     
  11. Uvtha

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    You can cheat.
     
  12. Varingian

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    I haven not formed an opinion either positive or negative yet but I certainly find this development odd.

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  13. Flutter

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    I think (I of course could be wrong) it's because there are cities like Magincia that you can actually fight the monsters from the safty of your front porch. To make it fair to everyone they are going to allow blocking for this particular event.
     
  14. Kojak

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    by definition it's not cheating if the actual producer of the game says it's not cheating - doesn't get much simpler than that
     
  15. The Zog historian

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    I was going to say the same. If we're told it's ok, as we were long ago told about unattended macroing, trapping creatures with crates, trapping creatures in houses, then it's irrelevant how many players have opinions to the contrary.
     
  16. Uvtha

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    Well, what I mean by that is tactics that are considered cheating everywhere outside of invasions, which have been illegal for years and years, are not illegal within the invasion grounds.

    I just call it cheating because the behavior has always been cheating, and even still in in most of the game.

    I personally think its a bad idea to give these mixed messages, because some poor chump is going to hear "Messana said this is legal" when someone plops down ball bags, and miss the crucial "when it comes to invasion spawn" and innocently get suspended doing it somewhere else 2 months down the road. It isn't good practice to randomly change the rules imo.
     
  17. The Zog historian

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    Actually, as I have pointed out in another thread, it was legal for the game's first while (couple of years) to block with containers. Flour sacks once worked to block containers. There was no problem with trapping animals in houses, let alone on boats. I had a great macro, fully unattended, that cast flamestrike on a boat key, provoked my dog on me.

    There was a "Lost in UO" comic about a couple of ettins or ogres trapped in a house by flour, realizing they should just fall across the sacks, but it seems to be one of the "unavailable" comics.
    http://lostinuo.tripod.com/comics/24/24.htm
    http://lostinuo.tripod.com/comics/35/35.htm

    And macroing unattended was so legal that some players would hide on a boat, until they got revealed:
    http://lostinuo.tripod.com/comics/41/41.htm

    This is a great one too, particularly the part about gating monsters to town.
    http://lostinuo.tripod.com/comics/28/28.htm
     
  18. Viper09

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    Forget semantics. Bottom line is that we can block for fighting creatures that are part of the invasion. Enough said...
     
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  19. Dag Nabbit

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    First question. Do GM's know about this new bending of the rule as it applies to the invasions? Second question/request. Can you please turn off whatever has to be turned off so I can cast summons and fields,and some area effect direct spells like chain lightning inside the cities? If bagballs are allowed then why not fields and summons? I want to use my caster in the invasion too.
     
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  20. DJAd

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    I feel so dirty!

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    No Worries a bath is coming soon. ;)
     
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  22. Uvtha

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    Yes, I know it was once legal, or at least it was once not directly forbidden, I had mage lords and wisps trapped in my house for training, forgive me me for saying always rather than "for 13 years". But obviously I just meant it has been expressly illegal for a very very long time, and its STILL illegal now in every other part of the game.
     
  23. Orgional Farimir

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    BUT IT FEELS SOOOOOO GOOD!!!!!!!!!
     
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  24. DJAd

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    Works like a treat with a fireball macro set on a loop :p
     
  25. Obsidian

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    Thank you for the clarification. I was starting to think you had to use a tamer to tank the captains since summons are out. Melee characters don't seem to last too long with the captains.
     
  26. yars

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    I use the ledge at minoc mines,boats for skara and trinsic, fences in glow,Brit is a little more complex,need too use rooftops or the bagballs

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  27. MalagAste

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    I'm an archer I just lead them around and around and around in circles. Or lead them to my boat and plink away...... you know plink, plink, plink, plink..... BAM, plink, plink, plink, plink, plink, bam.... plink, plink, plink, plink.....BAM.... you know where plink is me and a dexer goes "wiff" Only it costs me 20 arrows to hit hm 2 times.
     
  28. Felonious Monk

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    According to the dev response that use of bag balls during an invasions IN towns is totally legal now.
    If any dev mentioned using boats is legal I missed it.
     
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    All they need is one measly teleport execution to render this dev approved tactic useless. *Chuckles*
     
  30. MalagAste

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    The macers have that! You wouldn't want to pen up one of them like that! You'd be toast in seconds.
     
  31. The Zog historian

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    That's a great warning. I haven't fought one yet that was bagballed. I'm guessing that when any monster pulls a player in, the code picks a random adjacent spot that isn't blocked. I wonder if someone could sneak up and completely block in the macer in that case. Would someone be pulled on top of the macer?
     
  32. Faeryl

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    I've noticed that so long as you're next to or have one tile between you and the macer, you don't get pulled in. So if you bagballed him in and stood next to the bagballs, you'd be fine.
     
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  33. Felonious Monk

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    Good work people. Learning curve in process. I really enjoy when we pool our info instead of greedily hoarding secrets.
     
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    It is actually possible for a melee character to tank the captain, but you need a caster constantly healing you instead of casting offensively, or some VERY efficient cross healing going.
    Yesterday, when all tamers ran to the EM event, I got my macer to act as the "Dwagon" while a guildie healed me and an archer helped with damage.
    It... works. But it would have gone faster if the caster didn't have to focus solely on healing me.
     
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  35. The Zog historian

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    If it was a melee-damage captain, did your mace weapon seem to slow it down in stamina? I don't imagine the Devs coded them with resists based on what they're wearing, but that would be nice to break a couple of pieces. :)
     
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    Nope. I confirmed that today morning, when I soloed a macer.
    They seem to follow the same pattern monsters do.
    They slow down a bit when they hit about 48% hp, and again when they are lower than 28%.

    And till the end of battle, the captain resists remained the same. I had the same damage output with consecrate weapon at the end of the battle as I did at the start of the battle.
     
  37. PlayerSkillFTW

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    Yeah, they ruined the Stam and Armor destroying capability of Macers a long time ago.
     
  38. Lady Storm

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    It's not cheating if the Boss Lady says so.......
    But if she see you doing it in dungeon ...... she hits hard is all I will say. OOOooooOOOOOooo